Is there a place to get one, or a specific model that is prefered? I am talking about the long range guns... I want to get into long distance target shooting...

The best way to start off is to pick up an M-14 at a gun show, you can get them dirt cheap then you can do all kinds of cool mods to them. It's a 7.62mm weapon (means cheap ammo) and it's helaciously accurate for long range shooting..

Get a remington 700 BDL in .308 caliber, with a synthetic stock, put on a good barrel, get the stock bedded, and change the trigger to one that is more adjustable, and has a better pull. then mount it with a 10x, 16x or higher powered scope, Bushnell 4200 Elite 50mm scopes are nice for the money, and so are Leopold's.

you'll have a rifle thats able to group within an inch at 300+ yrds...now whether you can or not is the question

I forgot - How much $$$ is the whole setup?

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actualy an .338 Lapua is one helluva long range caliber!!! Cheytac, Dantecs wildcat cartridges are also phenominal. Those are all extremely expensive!! I think the last time I prices .338 Lapua ammo it was averaging about $7 a shot. It might have gotten a little cheaper but I haven't priced it in a couple of years!! The cheytac and Dantecs stuff is extremely expensive if you can find it!!
pretty much all .30 caliber cartridges are good! I found that my .300 wm really loves federal gold 195 grain loads!!!! Try calling Dan Liljaor one of those guys for some better info!!! Just don't say sniper rifle if you want any assistance!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bash.gif The anti's are using that terminology to try to ban certain type firearms and have suceeded in California with AB 50!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/SmackBottom.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bash.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bash.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bash.gif Damn hippy scum http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif

Springfield Armory makes some nice guns but your gonna pay for it.

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-rifles-super.shtml

This page has a bunch of dif sniper rifles
http://www.snipercentral.com/rifles.htm

Stefan - what do you call them? long range rifles?

That .338 must pack a pretty good kick...I want to pick up a decent .300 Rem Ultra Mag soon, or a 7mm Ultra. Not a sniper rifle, but with a 2.5-10x50m Scope its got some decent range

The Remminton 700 is probably the most popular action out there, with the most inexpensive selection of parts. (Inexpensive will get to be a relative term, as you will find out very quickly) Sako actions are some of the best (there is brand loyalty that is worse that with bikes when talking about actions, so there are multiple opinions as to what is the "best". Even mine). Dont overlook the Winchester Model 70, or Savage 10, 12, 112, 110(my personal favorite when comparing cost to performance), there are just too many to list.

Few questions

1. Kind of shooting? (target only or some possible hunting?)

2. are you limited on the distances you can shoot? (how long is the max at the range where you will go the most?)

3. Weather conditions where you will practice (windy, calm?)

4. How big is your pocketbook?

5. How much recoil can you stand?

6. How much noise?

7. How often will you shoot?

8. How heavy of a gun can you deal with?

9. type of action?

10. Are you going to try to compete?(even at local level)

Reasons for asking about above

1. weather you can dedicate 1 gun has a lot to do with picking the overall price, action and caliber. For example a 22PPC is a extremly accurate round, but after about 500yds, the bullet may not have the power for a clean 1 shot kill on larger animals.

2. If the ranges locally are short, there is no sense in using the "big" calibers because you will not be able to get the full potential out of it.

3. along the same lines as above. More wind, and it will move a smaller bullet off target faster than a bigger bullet.

4. Remember the inexpensive part?

5. Bigger calibers "hit" harder, this will cause more people to start flinching faster, ruining the shot.

6. Even with earplugs and ear muffs, the noise does start to get annoing after a while.

7. Adds to the cost. More expensive rounds add up faster. Inexpensive is not the word.

8. Ties into question #1, if it is bench only gun you can deal with a lot more weight. Witch helps with the recoil, and overall stability. But not if you are trying to carry it to a stand to hunt.

9. For true accuracy you will want to have as few moving parts as possible, bolt actions or falling blocks, and single shot break opens have the fewest, followed by lever action repeaters, and then semi-auto. (full auto after that for the record) Machining tolerances are in the same order. However the tolerances for bad ammo, cleanliness, are in teh opposite order.

10. This may be the determining factor in selecting. If you plan on competing, you will have to follow all rules (action, barrel length, barrel profile, stock type, trigger type, and sights) to name a few.


The only way to realize the full potential of the guns accuracy is with reloading. This will save you money in the long run, but getting started (buying everything the first time) can be almost as expensive as the gun (unless you go all out on the gun). You will need a good scale (cannot repeat that enough) powder thrower (can be done without) powder trickler, die set for what ever caliber, and press. Plus there are more types of powder than you will believe, than primers, cases, bullets, and a cleaning system. Plus storage for everything.

Another big thing to consider is weather you want to stay with the "factory" cartriges, or are interested in "wildcat rounds". This will change your caliber options by over 10X.

This is one of those things that is very hard for anyone else to decide. There are just so many variables, and the saying of "what works for me may not work for you" are words to live by.

BTW, I love this topic. I think we need a gun forum.

1. Kind of shooting? (target only or some possible hunting?) Only target no hunting

2. are you limited on the distances you can shoot? (how long is the max at the range where you will go the most?) havent even looked into it

3. Weather conditions where you will practice (windy, calm?) ???

4. How big is your pocketbook? Depends

5. How much recoil can you stand? Target shooting, not trying to blow anything up...

6. How much noise? I'll have ear plugs etc....

7. How often will you shoot? weekly

8. How heavy of a gun can you deal with? Going to a range, I can handle heavy things

9. type of action? ???

10. Are you going to try to compete?(even at local level) That is what I want to get into

This might sound crazy but you might want to start off with a decent .22 esp if this is your first rifle, its CHEAP AS HELL to shoot, all day long, and it will give you a basic idea of what you might like and what you might not like. If it turns out you are not into shooting or want something instead of a "sniper" rifle, you wont be out much money. I find that most people who go shooting actually enjoy though, even the guys and girls who thought they would never like doing such an "evil" thing. Good luck and keep us updated.

Check out www.ar15.com (http://www.ar15.com) for some good info.......

Edited to add- also might want to check out www.ammoman.com (http://www.ammoman.com) for prices on ammunition for a reality check, theyve got fairly decent prices....also realize you will go through a case (1000 rounds) faster than you think....

That is what I want to get into





In that case, you would want to try to find out more about witch class you are interested in, and base you gun for that. There are so many classes in so many "styles".

Have you thought about shilouette shooting?Like this? (http://www.tucsonrifleclub.org/Silhouette_Intro.shtml)
Firing at only paper targets can get well, boring, after a while. Shilouette shooting looks like it would be more fun, and entertaining in the long run. Combining accuracy of the gun, with shooter accuracy as well

This might sound crazy but you might want to start off with a decent .22 esp if this is your first rifle, its CHEAP AS HELL to shoot, all day long, and it will give you a basic idea of what you might like and what you might not like. If it turns out you are not into shooting or want something instead of a "sniper" rifle, you wont be out much money. I find that most people who go shooting actually enjoy though, even the guys and girls who thought they would never like doing such an "evil" thing. Good luck and keep us updated.

Check out www.ar15.com (http://www.ar15.com) for some good info.......

Edited to add- also might want to check out www.ammoman.com (http://www.ammoman.com) for prices on ammunition for a reality check, theyve got fairly decent prices....also realize you will go through a case (1000 rounds) faster than you think....



I have to say +1 on this one. Get a 10/22, from there you can get a bull barrel & stock to fit it, scope, etc. A brick of .22LR costs about 10 bucks. They're a blast to shoot, and a great way into the sport. Even if you have 30 other guns, there's always a place in your collection for a 10/22. I got mine when I was 14, still have it in stock configuration because it sees mostly field use. Someday I'd like another one to make into a range whore tack driver.

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Just spend the $12,000 and get the Accuracy International .50 BMG http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
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I thought you were against guns. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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I haven't been here for quite some time, but weren't you the on who jumped on all the gun owners of this board not too long ago. If my memory serves me, you called us a bunch of “pussies”. I know there’s others here who can attest to this.

I haven't been here for quite some time, but weren't you the on who jumped on all the gun owners of this board not too long ago. If my memory serves me, you called us a bunch of “pussies”. I know there’s others here who can attest to this.



who you talking too since your replying from my post?

I've never called anyone a pussy from carrying a gun http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

Like I said, it's been a while. I was replyting to wtchwr's original post.

I thought you were against guns. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif



You are partially correct...
I am against guns like AK-47's and barettas or others that have one purpose, killing people or commiting crimes. I know guns don't kill people, people kill people... Blah blah... When is the last time you saw someone rob someone with a single shot rifle?

I am not against a single load rifle anything that is for bonafied target shooting or hunting. Not lining up some paint cans and shredding them with an Uzi.

I am not a black and white guys, guns have their place....

Clear now....

I use a Weatherby Accumark chambered in 300WBM. Heavy Barrel, Fluted, Floated, synthetic stock, 3x16 scope. Father N Law took an elk at 542 yards with it. A little heavy but well worth it.

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I't take a EDM windrunner over it anyday!!!!

High power or long range usualy works fine!!!

The fifty caliber shooters tend to get a little upset and rightfully so since that is the verbage being used to take away our sport/hobby! but then could you blame them since they are looking at loosing something they love doing, have invested serious money in and will loose it without reimbursement!

Not a very pleasent concept to many of them!

High power or long range usualy works fine!!!

The fifty caliber shooters tend to get a little upset and rightfully so since that is the verbage being used to take away our sport/hobby! but then could you blame them since they are looking at loosing something they love doing, have invested serious money in and will loose it without reimbursement!

Not a very pleasent concept to many of them!



Why would they want to ban these guns... I have never heard of anyone using them for crime...

High power or long range usualy works fine!!!

The fifty caliber shooters tend to get a little upset and rightfully so since that is the verbage being used to take away our sport/hobby! but then could you blame them since they are looking at loosing something they love doing, have invested serious money in and will loose it without reimbursement!

Not a very pleasent concept to many of them!



Why would they want to ban these guns... I have never heard of anyone using them for crime...



The types of people who want to ban any type of gun generally are not swayed by things like logic http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif

They have NEVER been used in a crime however the antis use fear/scare/lie techniques/tactics to get people to believe them!!! They want to further their anti agenda!!!

It is the anti's belief that nobody but them are responsible enough to own firearms! For example Diane Feinswein who doesn't want anybody but herself to be able to carry a concealed firearm!! She believes in her own small world that she is more responsible then you or I!!

Stefan - what do you call them? long range rifles?



Varment rifles. I had a Kimber 22-250 with the mouser action, fluted bull barrel, floated stock, Harrison bipod, Leupold scope.. reloaded my own shells. Great hobby , figuring out the science behind accuracy. The drop of a bullet over distance and speed. Getting the shell/bullet/load just right for your barrel. Spent lots of money for a while but sold it all to move on to the next hobby.