I'm amazed at this stunt, even though I'm bike-less again now, that's the first stunt I plan to practice when I jump on the 2002 cbr954, I've heard some short & sweet descriptions on 12's but I'm sure there must be more detail ...anyone?

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okay here it is

1. start Praying images/icons/grin.gif images/icons/grin.gif
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slow speed held 12 o'clocks are my holy grail...I would love to be able to pull these off.

If someone could write a good 101 on this it would definately be appreciated. images/icons/grin.gif

i would suggest 10-20mpg 12' so you can get used to the balance point being so high.. i have a vid of you want to know what im talking about... email me and ill send it to you...

1st you want to just creap along not moving that fast while covering the brake...Some people like to ride the brake before they clutch it up ,I like to strat riding it once it's already up in the air,found that easier for me...Also once you get it up keep a constant preasure on the brake and don't try playing with the throtle to much ,just keep a consistant throtle position...It will take you lots of time getting these two things to work right for you,so don't get frustrated and give up on it...Once you get the throtle and brake contol down consentrate on you gauges or your trpple clamp while riding ,it's wierd but this somewhat lets you judge how high you are...And also don't worry about scrapeing just try to get to where you can ride them controlable...Scrapeing will come sone after that... This stunt might take you months to perfect or maybe weeks or days if your really good...And oh ya you want to run about 20 lbs of air in your tire and also use double H pads so they don't fade on you and you might wanna buy a billet case cover or some extra's cause it's a big possability your going to dump it over learning this trick ...Well I hope what I wrote might help you out...And GOOD LUCK graemlins/thumbup.gif graemlins/thumbup.gif

Here's a couple pi http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/1032005359.jpgcs of my 12's http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/1032005383.jpg http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/1032005431.jpg

Great advice Big J!

Oh yeah, I have video from Gary's camera of you scraping...how much are you going to pay for it images/icons/grin.gif . I will get that to you tomorrow if you go out to the regular practice grounds.

Damn, these freakin 12's are kicking my ass!!!

I sure hope that this is NOT the 1st stunt that this guy is going to attempt images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/confused.gif .

Originally posted by RedlineExtreme*Jimmy*:
Great advice Big J!

Oh yeah, I have video from Gary's camera of you scraping...how much are you going to pay for it images/icons/grin.gif . I will get that to you tomorrow if you go out to the regular practice grounds.

Damn, these freakin 12's are kicking my ass!!!

I sure hope that this is NOT the 1st stunt that this guy is going to attempt images/icons/shocked.gif images/icons/confused.gif .<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Sweet can't wait to check that out...Well anyhow i'll see ya tommrow and I can help ya work on those 12's if ya want... graemlins/thumbup.gif

I have been wanting to work on 12's really bad lately, the only thing is, I have a big problem with messing my bike up. I havent scratched it up yet. images/icons/tongue.gif Anyways, what is the cheapest bike I could get used that I could practice on. What do you guys think about a 97ish srad 600 if I go up (quite) a few teeth in the back?

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Originally posted by RedlineExtreme*Jimmy*:

I have been wanting to work on 12's really bad lately, the only thing is, I have a big problem with messing my bike up.
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I have the same problem, I don't want to skrew up my bike. I have been looking for a late 90's gixxer with no plastics so I can turn it into a street fighter. I used to have a vfr streetfighter and didn't care how many times I dropped it, the more dents and scratches the beter! graemlins/thumbup.gif

If yall are wrried about messing up your bike this is deffinately not the stunt for you,cause sooner or later you'll be hitting the pavement doing this trick...Acctually doing any type of stunting usually will mess your bike up...Thats why I have 2 bike one to trash and one to have as a pretty bike....

Originally posted by Evasveactions1:
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/1032005359.jpg<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Dude, that looks more like 11:58 to me and not 12:00... Come on, where are those last two minutes at? images/icons/grin.gif

Those are awesome man. One of these days I'll make it mast 9 o'clock, I mean 11 o'clock, yeah that's it. graemlins/thumbup.gif

Trust me I can scrape just don't have any pics of it right now...Once I do I'll post'em up...I'll get some for ya this weekend.... graemlins/thumbup.gif

Originally posted by Evasiveactions1:
Trust me I can scrape just don't have any pics of it right now...Once I do I'll post'em up...I'll get some for ya this weekend.... graemlins/thumbup.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Are you parking it yet? images/icons/confused.gif

Nope

Now thats 12 BABY!! cover rear brake! I can't give away THE secret or everyone would be doing it. Oh and get some frame sliders!! YOU WILL NEED THEM!!!!!!!!!!!! hope you don't mind throwing your bike down HARD!! untill you learn how to do it. Be safe! http://www.pointofbalance.com/wheeliepics/p_12_1-2.jpg http://www.pointofbalance.com/wheeliepics/p_12_1-1.jpg Ckeck out our 5 min video @ Point of Balance.com to see some 12's in action(thats me on the blue white gixxer 1000)

That's sweet and all but look how long your bar is it's at least 4 or 5 more inches than mine but your 12's still look nice none the less..

[ 09-27-2002, 06:03 PM: Message edited by: Evasiveactions1 ]

I have it a little long so I can fit my left foot in there for doing 12's that way, and circle wheelies, can't do the circles yet but practice makes perfect, or so they say. And by no means am I baggin on your 12's but it is cool to bring it slidin' in with that left foot in there. be safe http://www.pointofbalance.com/otherstuntpics/120701_thedogcatcher.jpg

OMG, did anyone else notice how big that rear sprocket is? Wow! How many teeth is that?

gotta shorten that bar, look at chauncey's bike, he cut out some of the plastic to fit his foot in

Originally posted by I love my Gixxer:
i would suggest 10-20mpg 12' so you can get used to the balance point being so high.. i have a vid of you want to know what im talking about... email me and ill send it to you...<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Can you hook me up with the Vid..Rickgsx@Hotmail.com

You da Man ... graemlins/thumbup.gif graemlins/thumbup.gif

I am working on my 12,s. Do you need to re gear your bike or will it be ok stock gearing I've been trying from a dead stop and getting it up to 12 but I luped it beacuse I did'nt know what the hell I was doing and had no idea about the back brake I have a 02 gixxer 750 and can learn pretty quick so if you can help out with any more tips I would greatly take any ideas.
Thanks James

I think you need to put a -3 on the front and a +5 on the rear to bring those 750's up in first like my 1000 does in 3rd. images/icons/grin.gif
just talkin some shit.
I still need to see the video.

holy shit pointofbalance where did you get those huge frame sliders! i want some.

Nice pics... I'll let you younger guys carry
the torch!!! I'm too faded!!!

J-

Originally posted by GlXXeR:
holy shit pointofbalance where did you get those huge frame sliders! i want some.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Made the frame sliders myself, my teammate Tim makes them for just about any bike, he has a metal lathe. They are oversized, and work great. Save your bike! E-mail pobstunts@yahoo.com if you want some made I think he charges $100.00??

what ever you say jeremy I see all of that power going to wast beacuse you sure as hell dont use it or mabe you do. But never when I am around Ha Ha just trying to get some helpfull hits from some pepole that know how to ride beacuse you know I cant ask any body around here.......

Bad ass 1000 dam to bad I never see any of that power when we are riding now do I. This is what I think of you 1000 graemlins/piss.gif

I will see you on the Flip Side :

Originally posted by james1:
Bad ass 1000 dam to bad I never see any of that power when we are riding now do I. This is what I think of you 1000 graemlins/piss.gif

I will see you on the Flip Side :<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You never see it because it is too damn fast for you to see. graemlins/laugh.gif
this is what I think of my 1000 graemlins/wackit.gif

Dose any body know if I have to re gear my bike to pull 12,s I have 02 750 gixxer and been working on them.....

thanks

Originally posted by PointOfBalance.com:
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by GlXXeR:
holy shit pointofbalance where did you get those huge frame sliders! i want some.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Made the frame sliders myself, my teammate Tim makes them for just about any bike, he has a metal lathe. They are oversized, and work great. Save your bike! E-mail pobstunts@yahoo.com if you want some made I think he charges $100.00??</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">great ill send him an email and see what he says.

you need to have the bike AT LEAST at 12 oclock, shorten the bar and cut out the end of your tail box if you have to so you can fit your foot in there. ideally you really want to be slightly past 12, it makes the bike stay like that and slide easier once you move onto the next stage of 12's: tricks while sliding-apehanger, heal clicker, etc. you will still be able to get your foot in there with the bar at 12, you might need to make the bar a little higher though-as in farther from the ground when the bike is on two wheels.

hope it helps,
Teach
DTE

[ 10-02-2002, 08:03 PM: Message edited by: Evasiveactions1 ]

kick ass... that's the ultimate challenge. But I saw a video the other day where colbert put his left foot in the 12 o'clock bar and made the bike do 2 360 rotations while in a 12 o'clock with about a 6 foot radius. Unnecessary... sick as hell....

flyn hawaiian

Here's a pic of me scrapeing not the greates pic but it's all i have right now..
http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/1033688299.JPG

Originally posted by flyn hawaiian:
kick ass... that's the ultimate challenge. But I saw a video the other day where colbert put his left foot in the 12 o'clock bar and made the bike do 2 360 rotations while in a 12 o'clock with about a 6 foot radius. Unnecessary... sick as hell....

flyn hawaiian<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I've known Todd for about 3 yrs now and have never in my life seen him do a 360 12,matter of fact he's just now learning to do 12's....You must of seen Manso from brazil doing the 360's who was riding with Todd a few months ago...

[ 10-03-2002, 08:45 PM: Message edited by: Evasiveactions1 ]

sup guys,i see some of you are in the same boat as me,my goal is to learn 12's by next summer;but still confused about what bike should i get,some people say go whit 750, but in the other hand some people say go whit the 600.anybody got any advice? images/icons/confused.gif

Originally posted by PointOfBalance.com:
Now thats 12 BABY!! cover rear brake! I can't give away THE secret or everyone would be doing it. Oh and get some frame sliders!! YOU WILL NEED THEM!!!!!!!!!!!! hope you don't mind throwing your bike down HARD!! untill you learn how to do it. Be safe! http://www.pointofbalance.com/wheeliepics/p_12_1-2.jpg http://www.pointofbalance.com/wheeliepics/p_12_1-1.jpg Ckeck out our 5 min video @ Point of Balance.com to see some 12's in action(thats me on the blue white gixxer 1000)<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I SEEN YOU ON YOUR SIGHT
I WANT SOME MORE INFO ON THOSE FRAME SLIDERS THAT YOU GOT EVERYWHERE ! CAN I GET SOME CLOSE UPS??? IM INTERESTED IN SOME TO PROTECT MY 1K. graemlins/thumbup.gif

nice schooling on the 12 from evasiveactions.
gotta give it to me boy phillip for the 12 pics from p.o.b. hey phillip, how many teeth are you running on the back? im runnin 47 and i cant keep it down. oh well, see ya at kennendale!

I have the secret, lower back tire PSI to about 15. pop the clutch, ride rear brake, keep both feet on the pegs, my 2 pennies.

i have a secret. learn brake control on a smaller, more forgiving, less expensive, and overall lighter weight FIRST. example. xr50. xr80 (for those that want to learn the clutch). klx110. something that is going to require you to use balance and brake control, instead of power and momentum. AFTER you've dialed in balance point wheelies on your play/practice bike, start learning to slow them down. This process will take longer for those that have jobs, it took me about a month no job, no dl, just a fiddy. THERE IS ANOTHER CATCH, all of these pit bikes will require you to be sitting down and learning balance side to side and vertical. ONCE YOU HAVE ALL OF THIS. you begin on teh big bike.

LEARN SIT DOWNS FIRST. cover your brake. start from 5-10 mph. depending on bike/gearing you will need to "DUMP" the clutch harder than your used to. maybe consider setting a fast idle at around 3k, depending on bike. ALSO PULL UPWARDS, or make a graceful movement into the swept back 12 position. most guys "tuck up" and try and look over the windshield, it's never gonna happen. HANG OFF THE BIKE/BARS, you'll be looking throught the space in between you ram intake tube and your front wheel. STAY ON THE GAS BUT NEVER EXCEED 30, staying slow keeps you safe and your bike, well.... THIS WILL TAKE TIME AND LOTS OF DEDICATION. depending on how dialed you are on other machines I would def recommend a scrape bar just cuz it's convienant and leaves you w/ options, compared to blasting tail/light/subframe and having 500lb comin at ya. so anyhow, STAY OUT OF TRAFFIC, you will crash, dont let them see, or have an oppritunity to run you over. pick the same stretch of rode and learn the pitch and grooves. RUN 20 psi. CHECK ROADS FOR "ROUNDNESS", this is def i a factor in weight shifting, also thick paint stripes will pitch you funny sometimes. LEARN TO RIDE THEM OUT BEFORE YOU PARK, then parking will be so natural and easy the rest of the "parking/scraping" tricks will come in less than a week. So you learned to ride sit down twelves, park, and bar tricks in 3+ months.

STAND UPS. begin w/ left foot on pass. peg, right foot on brake, obviously. AGAIN USE YOU BODY ENGLISH to YANK UP the bike even though your really not lifting shit. I cant tell you how crucial this is with any kind of wheelie or stoppie for that matter. IT WILL COME UP A LOT QUICKER, but you'll be ready on the brake. THIS SHOULD COME VERY QUICKLY, the hard part was sit downs, now your not holding on so damn hard. LEARN TO LAY OFF BRAKE, your probably on your 3 or 4 set of pads by now. SET IDLE HIGH AGAIN, to provide a constant drive of power that you can disengage anytime by pulling in the clutch, yes, cover the clutch w/ one finger. ANY YOU WILL LEARN PRECISE THROTTLE CONTROL, because w/ sit downs you'll always be on the gas and resisting w/ the brake, stand ups are easier to coast or idle at a constant speed. FOOT IN BAR is again a huge shift in weight displacement, your now standing on the bike instead of holding on. It's so different in fact that initially learning to yank it up will feel unnatural until you feel the stance. STAY UNDER 20, make it 15 to be safe. you'll be fine but your stator, starter gear, and crankcase threads won't. NTH, NO HANDERS, OTHER SHIT is easiest when learned w/ foot in bar. CONGRATS YOU CAN NO DO SLOW WHEELIES, and now know balance point, brake control, throttle control, 3 different stances, and a couple other things. YOUR BIKE IS TRASHED, and you realize that everyone can do em by now. DAMN IT, you say. what's next? CIRCLES, GOOD LUCK!!!

ALWAYS WEAR YOUR GEAR, 12's are much safer but can still get ugly quick. I've hit my helmet several times, hard, losing a 12. I NEVER RECOMMEND RPM, sorry, figure it out. STAY ON THE GAS, during sit downs. ALWAYS FILM, ALWAYS. even if it is a whole bunch of crashing, that's what most want to see anyways. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/sleep.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif

i learnd it in one day, but dont get me wrong it was a long day of busting my ass
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I would first build a 12-o-clock bar. so you dont loop it. here is a pic of my buddy Tony parking on a 900 RR 12-O-clock

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/tony4.jpg

Did you check out the date of the post you was replying to?

I think it's REAL old...
It's good to see you are in here reading the sticky post though, I like that, too many guys get on here and ask questions without doing any reading so you'll end up reading the exact same question 10 times.

u guys know anything about sato racing? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif

here you all go

Hey I went 2 down on the front sprocket and got a 01 R6 sprocket that was 5 teeth up from the stock GSXR rear sprocket and just ground out the middle a little and a little on the holes and it fit.... now I twelve my GSXR 600 all day long in 2nd and 3rd.... I found 1st way too twichy to get it right... also get a twelve bar that is adjustable so you can make it like 10:30 or 11 just to get uste to being up that high the go to twelve when you are cool with the vert.

rgvgixer said:
Hey I went 2 down on the front sprocket and got a 01 R6 sprocket that was 5 teeth up from the stock GSXR rear sprocket and just ground out the middle a little and a little on the holes and it fit.... now I twelve my GSXR 600 all day long in 2nd and 3rd.... I found 1st way too twichy to get it right... also get a twelve bar that is adjustable so you can make it like 10:30 or 11 just to get uste to being up that high the go to twelve when you are cool with the vert.



that dont sound right at all.......

you want your bike to be at 12 or past it.... makes it more stable.

I have to agree with an earlier post on here. If you do not want to mark up your bike, then do not stunt. At one point or another, you bike is going to pick up a sign that if has been stunted on. I have had 3 rear brake light covers ripped off from wheelies and I had to replace one rear fairing. If you are wanting to pull great 12's, you are going to more than likely need to gear your bike. 2 down in the front, maybe 5 or 6 up or more in the back. A 12 bar also might be in order. Deflation of your tire also is needed. Now on a late model stock 600, you CAN pull 12s in 1st gear using the clutch. Its EXTREMELY twichy though and I do not recomend it.

i have a 00 gsxr 600 with a yoshi rs-3 slipon (soon to go full with the jets). my bike is lowered and im having trouble getting my wheelies up. I can clutch it up a little and i can pop it up a little but no first gear full throttle powerband wheelies. My stoppies are almost down but i really want to learn wheelies and standups. If u even can on a 600. Please help!!!

Yoshiracing said:
i have a 00 gsxr 600 with a yoshi rs-3 slipon (soon to go full with the jets). my bike is lowered and im having trouble getting my wheelies up. I can clutch it up a little and i can pop it up a little but no first gear full throttle powerband wheelies. My stoppies are almost down but i really want to learn wheelies and standups. If u even can on a 600. Please help!!!



600's will whelie just fine,you prob will have to clutch it up. You also need to raise the bike back up...

where can i find stock dog bones to raise back up/ that is the only way it could have ben lowered right??

lifted the bike back up today. found factory dog bones at a salvage yard and me and my friend raised the front up. I love it like this . take it to 3-4 grand slam the throttle boom thats it its coming up faster then i ever thought. thanks everybody.

looking for more people to ride with in columbus ohio.

leave the rear lowered and put the front back to stock. if you wanna wheelie thats the setup.... warning stay out of the corners like that though.

id have to differ there.

Send it to me? Jessiah1@msn.com http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ok...To do a 12...hmmmm...Got it!! Do a regular wheelie just like you normally do. Now....this is the tricky part...JUST BRING THE BIKE UP HIGHER!!! DUH .I'm no pro....but just find your BP with the bike at 12. Easier said than done...but that's how ya do it!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Great posture. Done Right!!

I have a 2000 GSXR 750 that is -1 +2 and I have been practicing 12s lately. The slowest wheelie I have managed to pull off consistently is 67mph in 3rd gear. When the bike reaches 12 you will know it and you may let off the throttle pretty fast. I dont use by back brake. The key for me is body position and throttle control. Once the bike is at twelve it will seem like someone has put it in cruise control because the engine feels as if it is no longer producing tourqe. I try and keep my arms as straight as possibel and let my rear drop down, this helps to pull the bike back and you dont have to play with the throttle much when its at 12. When it does reach 12 its going to feel like the bike is dancing all over the place from left to right and vice versa. I cant manage to do it in 2nd because my throttle is too twitchy. I have a friend who can do 1st gear wheelies on a 1000 at 47mph!

12 o'clocl wheelies are all break control from what Ive been told. If you guys seriously want some advice on serious stuntin then check out stuntlife or stuntusa and do a search.

heres some of my old bike!! and new!!


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scroll down and click on the video

http://www.myspace.com/spongebobstunter

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get to balance point, start braking and let the bike fall back on your brake (no more gas) then ease off the brake until it touches then tap the brake to come off of it, I started doing them with the idle set around 4000 so you have no engine braking to get you all choppy on the gas and brake. once you get better you can starts pulling in the clutch and riding em out longer or doing coasters or whateva!

um.. the previous post(the one right before yours) was from 2006....

um.. the previous post(the one right before yours) was from 2006....

LOL sorry just got on this site and started browsing, my bad:burnout

i will be that guy to lol