Check out this website! These Buell riders with thier 80hp air cooled motors love to talk BS about how Buells are the best handling and fastest bikes on tracks and on the street! Are you kidding me? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif <font color="red"> </font>

So the next time you see a Buell on the road putting along blow them into the weeds with your GXER!

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/4062.html?1123176637

You see a lot of Buell race bikes because buell pays out a lot for contingency for their riders. These guys put so much money into these bikes that there not even considered buells anymore lol.

I ran across a guy on the highway with a firebolt. I wasn't really getting on it with him at all, but I could tell it did have a little grunt, those 1200cc V-twins put out about 80 ft/lbs. But I'm sure if I got on it I would've left him in the dust.

I love the "on paper" idea behind the Buell, but the real world product leaves a lot to be desired, IMO.

And this has WHAT to do with GSXR 1000's ? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

Buell quote from journalist.

First gear, Nail it. Hit revlimiter. Shift. Hit Rev limiter. Shift Hit Rev limiter. Repeat till Bored.



Love that. Friend has just done his 2nd track day and finally got a knee down. He says he likes the handling of the buell, but hates it's characteristics. All braking must be done Straight up and down as either brake stands the bike up like a 19 year old on viagra. Bike does not have a motor. Needs a 6 th gear and Sprokets (no belt) Top speed for the 1200 is about 138 mph and on a track with a decent straight it sees the rev limiter in 6th.

This is funny as hell because I ran across a firebolt last night at at a parking lot were all of us were meeting up. The buell guy talked so much shit about his bike and that my bike was over rated. So I told him to put his pink slip down and see if his mouth could back up his ugly ass bike. of course no pink slip but we ran them anyway. That firebolt sucks never even ran close to me I smoked his ass, the race was over in first gear. Buells suck harley should stick with crusiers and leave the sport bikes to the companies that know what the hell there doing. just my 2 cents.

it sucked.

Ya a lot of the racers quickly convert the belt into a chain set up, ive never seen one raced with a belt.

buells it seems are for people that want a " good ol american sportsbike " ... lets face it , they suck ... i have a friend that kicked the crap out of a XB-9R with his stock gixxer 600 ... im not fond of buells at all . its all old technology , the harley 883cc engine out of a sportster cant hang with any of the sportsbikes offered by any of the big 4 . http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif

I'd sport a Buell XB 9 or 12. There sexy machines IMO. For hitting up the twistiers I'd use my Honda or Suzuki, for around town and freeways I'd ride the Buell.

Also cant forget the fact they are fucking pigs. Cast Iron Heads and block I belive. Correct me if Im wrong. It's a Sporty motor.

Yeah, the Sporter motor sucks, but how about the water-cooled all-aluminum motor in the V-rod / Street Rod? It wouldn't make the Buell into some screaming beast, but it would certainly improve the bike's performance quite a bit.

one of my buddies has a "hopped up" buell that sometimes rides with us. us being all the guys at VA beach with 4cylinder bikes. we will just hit it in 6th to pick up the pace on 64 and ooop.. whoops. left the buell again, nowhere in sight. haha. can't even compare...

I think Buell has some good concepts for center of gravity distribution (oil in the swingarm, gas in the frame, underside exhaust system, etc.) but to market it as anything resembling a sportbike is outrageous. It is a street bike, in the literal sense, but it is better classified as a "Road Bike" or a "Naked Bike" or a "Standard"--something along those lines.

It is made to cruise and look a little sporty doing it. I really can't see it for much more. The Ducati 996's (not even the new 999) will whoop up on it; and maybe the Buell was suppose to be some sort of competition for the V-Twin sport bike market, but that didn't go so well if that was what was intended.

I'd own an XB12 (without the ugly-ass upper fairing thing). But, alas, I want to keep some dignity. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

-J

Like somebody said, I like the concept of the Buell, but I haven't been very happy with the delivered product. The Buell Blast seems to be a decent learner bike for some people. Hopefully someday they get a bike that I like. Maybe they can team up with Aprilia (or was it KTM) on that little narrow twin they made and get it under license or something.

Yeah, the Sporter motor sucks, but how about the water-cooled all-aluminum motor in the V-rod / Street Rod? It wouldn't make the Buell into some screaming beast, but it would certainly improve the bike's performance quite a bit.



IMHO, the way HD has been marketing the V-Rod is pathetic. Woohoo, the most powerful HD ever... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif They are getting ~120hp (crank) out of a 1200 V-twin... The TLR got 135 out of a 200cc smaller V-twin years ago, as do Ducati, Aprilia. Granted, the V-Rod has more torque but it makes the same HP as a modern inline 4 with half it's displacement http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wait.gif

And the whole bike is still built wrong for anything but straight line acceleration - which it would have been better at had it not been as fucking overweight as the other HDs...

Just checked out the HD website for the V-Rod - appears they are very proud that it has both dual overhead cams, 4 valves/cylinder and is watercooled...

Welcome to fucking 20 years ago! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

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Last I knew, the Buells aren't advertised to be race bikes, they're more towards every day fun canyon carvers, street bikes. Hell, watch those videos they have on the buell site... Erik describes the characteristics of the bikes.. and he even says in them that they aren't meant to compete against Jap bikes because that's not what he's looking to do, he's looking to make an all around enjoyable bike that has useable power. Hell, I'd buy a buell =) .. get the new 06 Lightning XB12ss, those are hot bikes. Granted, when am I ever going to go faster then 100 in real life anywhere... certainly never on the street. Not like I have race tracks near me, maybe if I wanna drive down to NH.. no thanks. iIts a fine bike, just poorly marketed.. and advertised. AND.. for buell being such a small company... its like 1/100 the size of the big 4.. so don't knock it. They're doing fine with what they have to work with and the money they got. I'd like to see you guys mass produce something better if you think its that easy http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/werd.gif

Like somebody said, I like the concept of the Buell, but I haven't been very happy with the delivered product. The Buell Blast seems to be a decent learner bike for some people. Hopefully someday they get a bike that I like. Maybe they can team up with Aprilia (or was it KTM) on that little narrow twin they made and get it under license or something.



Check out this link (http://www.concretecountry.com/) http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif

I have to say, my buddy that started on a brand new Buell did break it constantly. But if this guy dosen't break something, it's a miracle. He beats the ever living shit out of everything he touches. We'll see how this new RC51 he just bought lasts. I'm hoping it lasts him a long long time like it should. I know he'll take better care of it than the Bueller and his beater 600's.

My brother owns a buell and their not that bad of bikes...that thing has some crazy ass fucking torque. From what I understand they actually can be very good handling bikes if tuned correctly. Also I think there are some magazines in Europe who said that a certain model buell is the best handling bike ever made. *shrugs*

I too like some of the ideas, gas in frame, oil in swingarm, low CoG, short wheelbase, etc. But that archaic engine is REALLY hurting the bike!

If they put a SV650 or SV1k engine in it, it would easily become the bike of the century!

Trey

The new Buells are so badly designed that when they fall over it puts dents in the header pipes and frame instantly writing off the bike. Buell owners listen up: Never, ever let your bike fall over.
A Buell tried to race me once.....I never shifted out of 6th gear. What a joke!

Yeah, the Sporter motor sucks, but how about the water-cooled all-aluminum motor in the V-rod / Street Rod? It wouldn't make the Buell into some screaming beast, but it would certainly improve the bike's performance quite a bit.



IMHO, the way HD has been marketing the V-Rod is pathetic. Woohoo, the most powerful HD ever... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif They are getting ~120hp (crank) out of a 1200 V-twin... The TLR got 135 out of a 200cc smaller V-twin years ago, as do Ducati, Aprilia. Granted, the V-Rod has more torque but it makes the same HP as a modern inline 4 with half it's displacement http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wait.gif

And the whole bike is still built wrong for anything but straight line acceleration - which it would have been better at had it not been as fucking overweight as the other HDs...

Just checked out the HD website for the V-Rod - appears they are very proud that it has both dual overhead cams, 4 valves/cylinder and is watercooled...

Welcome to fucking 20 years ago! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

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+1!!!!
and oh what a great motor the TLR motor was!!!!
loved that bike

As always, i think it depends on the rider. 10 of us ran from CAmbridge down to Brands Hatch, 9 of us on sportbikes, 1 on a buell lightning. We are ALL very fast trackday riders, and were RAILING it. He was pulling out of corners and through twisties right in the middle of the pack. The only place he got left was high speeds on the highway and really long straights in the backroads. Of course, he had a full race exhaust, chip, ect, but the ARE capable machines (and very fun to ride). I'd have one as my 10th or 11th bike I guess...

this is a little sad guys. i think you're taking these bikes out of context.
they aren't race bikes and are not meant to compete with them. buells are all street, built for smooth power delivery and nimble handling. screaming top end was never on the developers To Do List.
these videos on buells site really explain the design and their goals.
http://www.buell.com/en_us/buell_way/buell_on_buell/radicalprinciples.asp

i don't know whether or not buell claims to beat the race bikes on the track, but it seems to me they just want to build a street bike that is fun to ride and looks really cool.
IMHO, they did it!

and who doesn't like to beat their chest and grunt at a stoplight every now and then. its all in good fun.

. its all old technology , the harley 883cc engine out of a sportster cant hang with any of the sportsbikes offered by any of the big 4 . http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif



Well, that was true about 15 years ago. The new Buells have their own motor. It only looks like a sportster motor. The Buell motors are years ahead of the porty motors, but they still lag with the rest of the motorcycle world.

IMO HD needs to adapt the old VR1000 motor for the street. But, for some reason, they fail to advance their technology.

I have ridden a few different Buells. They are fun and easy to ride. The newer models are rock steady when they are pushed to the limits.

But, I have a real problem dishing out $10,500+ for a bike that is on par with the $6000 SV650. And the SV will be a more reliable bike.

Buells are the ugly bastard children of sportbikes and cruisers...they never should have happened.

Buells are the ugly bastard children of sportbikes and cruisers...they never should have happened.



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There is a guy around here with a brand new one. I raced him from a stop light 2 seperate times. It was not even close to the point I short shifted from 2nd to 3rd. I believe my 04 750 would have taken it also.

I do not think they were intened to go against the big 4's liter bikes.

The reason i posted this is cause i actually ride with a copule of guys that own Firebolts and all they do is talk nonstop bullshit about how technically advanced their Buell is and how over hyped my 03 1K is. Hello your motor is an air cooled 50 year design!

One of the Buells has some mods, (pipe and cams) and this bike is just a noise maker to me! They finally admit that my 1000 is faster (alittle over twice the HP of the Buell) after i destroy at stoplights even if i start in 2nd gear!

But now they claim to beat up on the 600 and 750 gsxer`s regularly. Thats why i was asking everyone that when you see a Buell on the road just give them a reality check by smoking them!

Buells are the ugly bastard children of sportbikes and cruisers...they never should have happened.



That's right so next time you see a buell owner offer him a 20 spot or meal for child support, because obviously the sportbike was the deadbeat dad never around to teach the poor guy how to be a good bike.

Yea, there slow, but they make up for that with poor brakes.
Sad to say, they're the fastest, sportiest, american made bike.

That's right so next time you see a buell owner offer him a 20 spot or meal for child support, because obviously the sportbike was the deadbeat dad never around to teach the poor guy how to be a good bike.


i have no idea what youre saying here. but i think someone should give you a meal.

They probably never pitted the Buells against the Jap bikes during engineering.

Did you see the frankenstien piece of shit they constructed out of old harley parts to fore-run the V-Rod?

Havn't these people ever heard of Drafting? CAD? Industrial Reconnisance? The only reason harley still exists is because the flavor of the decade is patriotism. The bikes suck. Why else would the government have to put sanctions on quality bikes 20 years ago?

Because it is more important to harley to make bikes with no radiator and ineffecient exhaust silencers than it is to make bikes that handle and go fast. They basicly said on some TLC special that thats what their demographic is into anyway.

All style and no substance.

I'd be offended if Harley tried to attach itself to my national image. lol.

Well, I have some personal experience with a Buell ( 4 to be exact ). My dad bought his &amp; her X1's in April 2001. My stepmom wrecked her's the first time she rode it. I bought my '02 X1W at the end of August 2001 ( first bike! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif ). Had problems with it since I took delivery ( dropping valves, transmission issues, sensor's crapping out, etc... ). Harley replaced the wrecked X1 with an '02 S3T. Out of the 4 bikes that we have owned, only 2 run decently ( Dad's X1 and the S3T ). With all the problems I had with my X1W, I still managed to put 30,000 miles on it in 2 1/2 years.

Three months ago, I got smart ( with a little help from a friend and fellow GDC member http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif ). I bought my K5 600. I have not had any problems with it at all! And I will tell you straight up, the Gixxer is engineered a whole lot better than a Buell in general ( but specifically the XB series ).

Now, I'm doubling up on payments on the Buell so I can sell it and finally be rid of that P.O.S.!

Here are a couple pics of the valves/piston/push rod that I had to replace...

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http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif Hardley/Buell http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

why are you doubling up on payments to sell? are you so far under your 02 that you arent going to make enough on the sale to pay off the loan?
im a computer guy at a credit union and don't get the logic http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

IMO, Americans can't build shit right. Look at the "only American mid-engine sportscar", the Fiero. Or cars in general, with thier 100k mile life expectancy. And then we have buells.

Dont get me wrong, I'm as patriotic as they come, but you just can't fuk with Japan when it comes to building machines that perform well and are dependable.

Why a company that builds 60's technology mortorcycles would attempt to make a sportbike is beyond me.

They do have some radical designs, like the one that uses the frame as a fuel tank (S1 Lightning, I think) but it still doesn't work.

yep, paid $11,395 for the bike. I got raped on interest 'cause I had no credit built up at the time. Currently still owe $4200ish. I know I won't be able to get more than $2500 or so for it because of miles and the fact that I wrecked back in April. There is nothing wrong with the bike other than it's a Buell and I need to replace a bit of hard to find plastic and the exhaust.

Hardley/Buell http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif

well that sucks dude. hindsight is 20/20 for everyone tho. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
people buy harleys because of the image, tradition and heritage, not the performance. im not sure we should say thats right / wrong, smart / stupid just because our priorities are different.
Don't get me wrong tho, i'm with you guys, cuz i love my 93 gixxer 600 that starts everytime i hit the ignition, runs great and never leaks. But if Turkey made a bike that was dependable and performed well, i'd have one of their's between my legs! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

IMO, Americans can't build shit right. Look at the "only American mid-engine sportscar", the Fiero. Or cars in general, with thier 100k mile life expectancy. And then we have buells.

Dont get me wrong, I'm as patriotic as they come, but you just can't fuk with Japan when it comes to building machines that perform well and are dependable.

Why a company that builds 60's technology mortorcycles would attempt to make a sportbike is beyond me.

They do have some radical designs, like the one that uses the frame as a fuel tank (S1 Lightning, I think) but it still doesn't work.



Buells have "cache" and fill a niche in the sporty motorcycle realm. It's understandable that Buell owners would develop an elitist attitude. I'll bet BMW, Duc, and Triumph riders are just as clique-ish. Hell, look at the Hardley dorks. Well, perhaps Beullies aren't as obnoxious. And hey, I loved my Fiero! I know what you mean, though. That could've been a nice sportscar if GM had the vision to develop it. Oh well, there's always the Solstice. I had mine for many years, basically a garage queen, and never got over the feeling that it resembled a test "mule". I kind of miss it cause I think it had potential.
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. Look at the "only American mid-engine sportscar"




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