This question has been racking my brain for a while. I am trying to figure out how do you increase your available lean angle. The reasons I wonder are that I see some professional riders who have their knees and elbows down through some turns and I just wonder why aren't the pegs sparking like crazy and how are the tires still gripping. What I do understand is that with the stock rearsets your pegs will scrape once the lean angles start getting extreme. I also understand that your tires do deflect (in other words you actually have a flat patch of contact surface even at increased lean angles. However, how do you know when the tires are at their limit other than a lowside? I ask this question b/c I know that at some trackdays usually the first lap or two the tires will slide a little but they have always hooked up without a lowside. Any help you guys can give me would be great. Thanks.

First, most racers have aftermarket rearsets, that are moved up and sometimes back anywhere form a inch or more, that'll cure the peg sparkies thing...

As for knowning when your at the limits of traction..welp, having your suspension set up properly will allow you to feel the feedback from your tires..which is Very important, also the tires you select can help in that regard too, as some tires seem to give better feedback, as opposed to others...

Experience: after doing track days, and or racing, you get a better feel for what your bike is doing...in that respect, you'll know when to back off, and when to be more aggro...

Your body position will allow a bit more lean sometimes...i.e. hanging off more is certian turns...Lean looks cool, but IF you can get around a turn with Less lean and still go fast, that's better, as traction is better at less of a lean angle...

Hammer 4 said:
First, most racers have aftermarket rearsets, that are moved up and sometimes back anywhere form a inch or more, that'll cure the peg sparkies thing...

As for knowning when your at the limits of traction..welp, having your suspension set up properly will allow you to feel the feedback from your tires..which is Very important, also the tires you select can help in that regard too, as some tires seem to give better feedback, as opposed to others...

Experience: after doing track days, and or racing, you get a better feel for what your bike is doing...in that respect, you'll know when to back off, and when to be more aggro...

Your body position will allow a bit more lean sometimes...i.e. hanging off more is certian turns...Lean looks cool, but IF you can get around a turn with Less lean and still go fast, that's better, as traction is better at less of a lean angle...



Sounds like somebody spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Philbie said:

Hammer 4 said:
First, most racers have aftermarket rearsets, that are moved up and sometimes back anywhere form a inch or more, that'll cure the peg sparkies thing...

As for knowning when your at the limits of traction..welp, having your suspension set up properly will allow you to feel the feedback from your tires..which is Very important, also the tires you select can help in that regard too, as some tires seem to give better feedback, as opposed to others...

Experience: after doing track days, and or racing, you get a better feel for what your bike is doing...in that respect, you'll know when to back off, and when to be more aggro...

Your body position will allow a bit more lean sometimes...i.e. hanging off more is certian turns...Lean looks cool, but IF you can get around a turn with Less lean and still go fast, that's better, as traction is better at less of a lean angle...



Sounds like somebody spent the night at a Holiday Inn Express. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif





thats funny... but his def is correct... and u can get a new rear set also.. they have ones that u can ajust druing riding

hey man.the reason you see racers with there knee down is it allows the suspension of the bike to be unloaded and this in turn alows the bike to remain more upright.this means it doesnt have to work as hard and provides a larger tyre "footprint"or contact patch making putting the power down a slightly easier proposition.the knee is used for some support and also as a gauge to tell the rider how far he is over.some riders will tell you that if the front washes out you can save it with your knee! highly unlikely!putting your elbow down which is apparently a cool thing to do will slow you down and wear holes in your leathers!it is utterly pointless unless you are on a magazine shoot.if you gain track time you begin to get a feel for the front end "washing out" and can prevent it. however there are times when it will just let go.the only way to increase YOUR lean angle is with perseverance,time and plenty of money as to push hard you will have to make some mistakes which may cost you financially.good luck dude

A lot of the guys that reach over are actually trying to keep the bike upright so you dont scrape the pegs, while maintaning the leverage. My buddy on his 600rr has his elbow so close to the ground, him trying to go faster leaned so far that he grinded down his frame slider.

Ibidu1 said:
A lot of the guys that reach over are actually trying to keep the bike upright so you dont scrape the pegs, while maintaning the leverage. My buddy on his 600rr has his elbow so close to the ground, him trying to go faster leaned so far that he grinded down his frame slider.



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Hammer 4 said:

Ibidu1 said:
A lot of the guys that reach over are actually trying to keep the bike upright so you dont scrape the pegs, while maintaning the leverage. My buddy on his 600rr has his elbow so close to the ground, him trying to go faster leaned so far that he grinded down his frame slider.



Ummm, that would be " Ground down"...... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif




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you can grind ur foot pegs all day long and never have a problem i learned that on the 250s at the msf course and on the mt near my house never had a problem just kinda weird feeling on ur foot. but you get over that.

Roadrash hurts said:
you can grind ur foot pegs all day long and never have a problem i learned that on the 250s at the msf course and on the mt near my house never had a problem just kinda weird feeling on ur foot. but you get over that.



LOL Maybe with folding pegs but not on fixed pigs, you grind those and its your ass mr. postman