http://slashdot.org/articles/04/10/16/0351247.shtml?tid=149&tid=129&tid=133

"Instead of plugging his new book, Jon Stewart tonight on CNN's Crossfire used his time to slam the media's coverage of the election. Although Stewart leans left, he attacked political shows and begged them: 'Stop, stop, stop, stop hurting America.' Is it time to really stop all the political games that both sides play

There's video here http://www.ifilm.com/filmdetail?ifilmid=2652831 It's pretty funny.


STEWART: You know what's interesting, though? You're as big a dick on your show as you are on any show.

Oh my lord...that was awesome.
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hahaha Jon's a hypocrite..... He’s criticizing these guys on crossfire who have a somewhat balanced show that has 2 sides to every issue, while acknowledging his show is a mere comedy skit....

In one breath he talks about how his show is a joke..... and in another he criticizes the Bush administration and talks about how outrageous it's been...... (one should ask ones self why should his words carry any weight after he himself earased all his credibility http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif)

Again, my proof that liberals are all one big contradiction...... Jon's criticizing crossfire ,a more balanced show than his own, by telling the hosts they're hurting America.... while not realizing that he uses his show as a forum full of political mockery aimed mostly at the right that's broadcasted to the masses..... and in the end uses his lack of political interest and the fact his show is on comedy central as an excuse why his unsupported, biased, misinformed comments should not be taken serious..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Jon and shows like Jon's are the shows that are really hurting America..... If Jon does not think his show is serious and that he's just someone who comes on after crank call puppets, than no one (including himself) should take the crap that flys outta his mouth to have any value what so ever.......

i'm suprised none of the hosts ripped him a new asshole...... if i had a show like crossfire and Jon said the shit he did on the air......I'd remind Jon who he is...... and put him back in his place....


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he called tucker carlson a dick. that was priceless.

Lasnoe said:
hahaha Jon's a hypocrite..... He’s criticizing these guys on crossfire who have a somewhat balanced show that has 2 sides to every issue, while acknowledging his show is a mere comedy skit....

In one breath he talks about how his show is a joke..... and in another he criticizes the Bush administration and talks about how outrageous it's been...... (one should ask ones self why should his words carry any weight after he himself earased all his credibility http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif)

Again, my proof that liberals are all one big contradiction...... Jon's criticizing crossfire ,a more balanced show than his own, by telling the hosts they're hurting America.... while not realizing that he uses his show as a forum full of political mockery aimed mostly at the right that's broadcasted to the masses..... and in the end uses his lack of political interest and the fact his show is on comedy central as an excuse why his unsupported, biased, misinformed comments should not be taken serious..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Jon and shows like Jon's are the shows that are really hurting America..... If Jon does not think his show is serious and that he's just someone who comes on after crank call puppets, than no one (including himself) should take the crap that flys outta his mouth to have any value what so ever.......

i'm suprised none of the hosts ripped him a new asshole...... if i had a show like crossfire and Jon said the shit he did on the air......I'd remind Jon who he is...... and put him back in his place....


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Dude http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif did you even LISTEN to what he had to say??

Remeber when that moron critized Stewart's show for not asking Kerry pointed questions ... what was Stewart's reply: "if you'd like to compare your show to a COMEDY show, then go ahead". What didn't you get? He's mocking the news media, and funny enough, acknowledges the fact that his show is a parody. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Here is another example from Cross fire - snippet taken from the transcript on CNN:



STEWART: It's not honest. What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery. And I will tell you why I know it.

CARLSON: You had John Kerry on your show and you sniff his throne and you're accusing us of partisan hackery?

STEWART: Absolutely.

CARLSON: You've got to be kidding me. He comes on and you...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: You're on CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls.




If the snippet above does not give you any insight to what he is truly saying ... you must have failed reading comprehension in school

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Oh yeah I love Stewart's show and he did put them in their place http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Tyg said:

Lasnoe said:
hahaha Jon's a hypocrite..... He’s criticizing these guys on crossfire who have a somewhat balanced show that has 2 sides to every issue, while acknowledging his show is a mere comedy skit....

In one breath he talks about how his show is a joke..... and in another he criticizes the Bush administration and talks about how outrageous it's been...... (one should ask ones self why should his words carry any weight after he himself earased all his credibility http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif)

Again, my proof that liberals are all one big contradiction...... Jon's criticizing crossfire ,a more balanced show than his own, by telling the hosts they're hurting America.... while not realizing that he uses his show as a forum full of political mockery aimed mostly at the right that's broadcasted to the masses..... and in the end uses his lack of political interest and the fact his show is on comedy central as an excuse why his unsupported, biased, misinformed comments should not be taken serious..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Jon and shows like Jon's are the shows that are really hurting America..... If Jon does not think his show is serious and that he's just someone who comes on after crank call puppets, than no one (including himself) should take the crap that flys outta his mouth to have any value what so ever.......

i'm suprised none of the hosts ripped him a new asshole...... if i had a show like crossfire and Jon said the shit he did on the air......I'd remind Jon who he is...... and put him back in his place....


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Dude http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif did you even LISTEN to what he had to say??

Remeber when that moron critized Stewart's show for not asking Kerry pointed questions ... what was Stewart's reply: "if you'd like to compare your show to a COMEDY show, then go ahead". What didn't you get? He's mocking the news media, and funny enough, acknowledges the fact that his show is a parody. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Here is another example from Cross fire - snippet taken from the transcript on CNN:



STEWART: It's not honest. What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery. And I will tell you why I know it.

CARLSON: You had John Kerry on your show and you sniff his throne and you're accusing us of partisan hackery?

STEWART: Absolutely.

CARLSON: You've got to be kidding me. He comes on and you...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: You're on CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls.




If the snippet above does not give you any insight to what he is truly saying ... you must have failed reading comprehension in school

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find the transcript where Jon answers .... Kerry's administration will be harder to make fun of if it's not as outragious as Bush's......... If Jon himself talks about his show being a parody and not to be taken serious....... why does he think he is qualified to get up and talk about how outragious Bush's policies are......
after he himself admitted that he doesn't care enough about politics to ask Kerry tough questions..... how can you take anything he says about Bush or anyone else ...( meaning the things he said about crossfire) as valid...... he himself whiped away any credibility he had.......

I just always sort of assumed that The Daily Show mocked whoever they possibly could. If Kerry is elected, I would say we could fully expect the Daily Show to mock him on a regular basis.

Because he has the pulse of the people, they dont. Jon is simply pointing out things that are relevant to the lives of everyday americans, while we bust our ass so the rich can get richer. America has lost what it stood for, to become a seething corperate agenda. Jon just simply shows the parody that is life, so we can look at it in a better light. He does himself justice, because what he askes about is needed. I want my president to have a fucking sense of humor.

The twat with the bowtie showed how he is an ass and the other guy knew he was out of his league so he stayed quiet. Our lives are not a fucking sport like football it isnt pick a side and buy this or that and do this or that. ITs about us the people not what they tell the people they are supposed to be. You are not your fucking kahkis. Everyone just work at themselves and all will come into balance. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

that was awesome....

by openly admitting that his show is just a comedy show....he is throwing away any real homebase that his opponents can attack....leaving him to say whatever he wants....really clever way to stir things up if you ask me....

its pretty crazy to see someone, who was in half baked, given enough recognition to be on a cnn news show tallking about presidential candidates

Tyg said:
Oh yeah I love Stewart's show and he did put them in their place http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif



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SlimerJaimer said:
that was awesome....

by openly admitting that his show is just a comedy show....he is throwing away any real homebase that his opponents can attack....leaving him to say whatever he wants....really clever way to stir things up if you ask me....




EXACTLY http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

haha i think you guys give Jon more credit than he deserves

Tyg said:

Lasnoe said:
hahaha Jon's a hypocrite..... He’s criticizing these guys on crossfire who have a somewhat balanced show that has 2 sides to every issue, while acknowledging his show is a mere comedy skit....

In one breath he talks about how his show is a joke..... and in another he criticizes the Bush administration and talks about how outrageous it's been...... (one should ask ones self why should his words carry any weight after he himself earased all his credibility http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif)

Again, my proof that liberals are all one big contradiction...... Jon's criticizing crossfire ,a more balanced show than his own, by telling the hosts they're hurting America.... while not realizing that he uses his show as a forum full of political mockery aimed mostly at the right that's broadcasted to the masses..... and in the end uses his lack of political interest and the fact his show is on comedy central as an excuse why his unsupported, biased, misinformed comments should not be taken serious..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Jon and shows like Jon's are the shows that are really hurting America..... If Jon does not think his show is serious and that he's just someone who comes on after crank call puppets, than no one (including himself) should take the crap that flys outta his mouth to have any value what so ever.......

i'm suprised none of the hosts ripped him a new asshole...... if i had a show like crossfire and Jon said the shit he did on the air......I'd remind Jon who he is...... and put him back in his place....


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Dude http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif did you even LISTEN to what he had to say??

Remeber when that moron critized Stewart's show for not asking Kerry pointed questions ... what was Stewart's reply: "if you'd like to compare your show to a COMEDY show, then go ahead". What didn't you get? He's mocking the news media, and funny enough, acknowledges the fact that his show is a parody. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Here is another example from Cross fire - snippet taken from the transcript on CNN:



STEWART: It's not honest. What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery. And I will tell you why I know it.

CARLSON: You had John Kerry on your show and you sniff his throne and you're accusing us of partisan hackery?

STEWART: Absolutely.

CARLSON: You've got to be kidding me. He comes on and you...

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: You're on CNN. The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls.




If the snippet above does not give you any insight to what he is truly saying ... you must have failed reading comprehension in school

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tyg some folks get it and some,no matter how hard you try,just don't understand.....

He owned him when he called him out for wearing a tie ! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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He owned him when he called him out for wearing a tie ! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif



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STEWART: Now, this is theater. It's obvious. How old are you?

CARLSON: Thirty-five.

STEWART: And you wear a bow tie.

CARLSON: Yes, I do. I do.

STEWART: So this is...

CARLSON: I know. I know. I know. You're a...

STEWART: So this is theater.

CARLSON: Now, let me just...

CARLSON: Now, come on.

STEWART: Now, listen, I'm not suggesting that you're not a smart guy, because those are not easy to tie.

REDSKULL said:
Because he has the pulse of the people, they dont. Jon is simply pointing out things that are relevant to the lives of everyday americans, while we bust our ass so the rich can get richer. America has lost what it stood for, to become a seething corperate agenda. Jon just simply shows the parody that is life, so we can look at it in a better light. He does himself justice, because what he askes about is needed. I want my president to have a fucking sense of humor.

The twat with the bowtie showed how he is an ass and the other guy knew he was out of his league so he stayed quiet. Our lives are not a fucking sport like football it isnt pick a side and buy this or that and do this or that. ITs about us the people not what they tell the people they are supposed to be. You are not your fucking kahkis. Everyone just work at themselves and all will come into balance. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif That was exactly the message I got out of it too!

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canes4life said:



tyg some folks get it and some,no matter how hard you try,just don't understand.....




you guys sound like a bunch of beer guzzling frat boys watching wrestling.... lol obviously it doesn't take much substance to impress you guys..... and your right.... i guess some of you just dont understand.....

that was dumb

Lasnoe said:

canes4life said:



tyg some folks get it and some,no matter how hard you try,just don't understand.....




you guys sound like a bunch of beer guzzling frat boys watching wrestling.... lol obviously it doesn't take much substance to impress you guys..... and your right.... i guess some of you just dont understand.....



Oh god here we go again.

Look you ingrate, Stewart's message is that Crossfire is supposed to be a platform that represents the american people to seek answers they so deserve and not the repeating theatrical drama that is always played out. Stewart would like to see more debating occuring rather then the debauchery that always takes place ... he wants answers to pressing issues.

Stewart acknowledges his show is nothing more then a PARODY of news media ... he says time and time again to the hosts that his show is just that. Funny enough, you and they do not seem to catch on to that very simple theme.

In case you don't know what a parody is, click here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=parody

FIgured you could use the help. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

That was great. Obviously he was invited there to just have his show talked down upon by the guys on Crossfire, but he turned it right around in their faces. Jon is not a stupid guy at all.

-J

Jon Stewart is a FUCKING TOOL..
He defends his positions by saying that he does a "comedy" show, but he has an agenda.

Why else would he go on "Nightline" (a serious news program) and say that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were a bunch of liars?
I saw the show and he wasn't joking.
His agenda is to influence the naive and uninformed.

PAgsxr...

out of youre league dude.

SUZUKI-GS500 said:

REDSKULL said:
Because he has the pulse of the people, they dont. Jon is simply pointing out things that are relevant to the lives of everyday americans, while we bust our ass so the rich can get richer. America has lost what it stood for, to become a seething corperate agenda. Jon just simply shows the parody that is life, so we can look at it in a better light. He does himself justice, because what he askes about is needed. I want my president to have a fucking sense of humor.

The twat with the bowtie showed how he is an ass and the other guy knew he was out of his league so he stayed quiet. Our lives are not a fucking sport like football it isnt pick a side and buy this or that and do this or that. ITs about us the people not what they tell the people they are supposed to be. You are not your fucking kahkis. Everyone just work at themselves and all will come into balance. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif



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Beautiful http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif



That is the beauty of comedy. Some may not like what they have to say but good comedians have acute insight into the human condition. They have the ability to show us the humor and absurdity of our behaviors. Recently, the intelligence of The Daily's viewers was called into question by a Fox talking head. I think he refered to us as stoned slackers or some such thing. It was discovered that the fans of The Daily were more likely to be college educated than those who tuned into that particular Fox program (the name escapes me). School children who watched The Daily were also found more likely to know current events, political leaders, geography, etc. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Tyg said:

Lasnoe said:

canes4life said:



tyg some folks get it and some,no matter how hard you try,just don't understand.....




you guys sound like a bunch of beer guzzling frat boys watching wrestling.... lol obviously it doesn't take much substance to impress you guys..... and your right.... i guess some of you just dont understand.....



Oh god here we go again.

Look you ingrate, Stewart's message is that Crossfire is supposed to be a platform that represents the american people to seek answers they so deserve and not the repeating theatrical drama that is always played out. Stewart would like to see more debating occuring rather then the debauchery that always takes place ... he wants answers to pressing issues.

Stewart acknowledges his show is nothing more then a PARODY of news media ... he says time and time again to the hosts that his show is just that. Funny enough, you and they do not seem to catch on to that very simple theme.

In case you don't know what a parody is, click here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=parody

FIgured you could use the help. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



yes, i know what Stewart's point was..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif you can't seem to grasp what my point is ..... Stewart sounded like a moron talking like a child and than he whiped away his credibility b4 making his point....... now if you can't see that....... you shouldn't be judging debates..... and dont try to insult me just because you can't seem to get the big picture.......

again, you helped me prove that libreals are all one big contradiction....... you guys bitched that republicans called all those who didn't agree with them about the war in Iraq non-patriotic, just cuz i dont agree with you , you try to insult me and substitute "non-partiotic" with "ingrate".... hahaha http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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gottspeed said:
PAgsxr...

out of youre league dude.



Out of "you are league" ?. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Why ? DUDE http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

PAgsxr said:
Jon Stewart is a FUCKING TOOL..
He defends his positions by saying that he does a "comedy" show, but he has an agenda.

Why else would he go on "Nightline" (a serious news program) and say that the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were a bunch of liars?
I saw the show and he wasn't joking.
His agenda is to influence the naive and uninformed.



Haha, saying daily show has an agenda is like saying Saturday Night Live has an agenda. Daily Show is satire. I'll say it again, it's a SATIRE. There goal is to make you see how ludicrous the government is. Bush is in office therefore he takes the brunt. As for Kerry not getting "grilled" you see Bush, Laura, or Kerry get grilled on Leno? That Leno is a partisan asshole. Hahaha.

Satire is one of the most effective means of presenting a viewpoint. The problem with satire is when it makes serious points (through satire) and someone tries to counter-argue (seriously) it can back into the "this is just comedy". I was just kidding and don't need to accept respondibility for what I just conveyed. And because it starts with the preconception of not trying to effect change on any level, it writes itself off as inconsequential, while actually being a very strong way of conveying meaning and opinion (i.e. Dave Chapelles R. Kelly skit incriminated him (R. Kelly) far more in the viewers eyes than some court case none of us watched). The power of satire and comedy is discounted.

It is able to effectivly hold and purport viewpoints while claiming no responsibility for them. In the same token I don't really see how, after Stewart has shed all responsibility, he can demand it be held by someone else. In the end it is the machine that he, himself supports as well as nightline and crossfire.

Satire can speak the truth while not having to support it because by doing so it cannot be directly attacked by anything but more satire from the other side, and lets be honest, making fun of "The Daily Show" is not very funny and certainly not high prifile enough to really go after in any way to impress any kind of accountability

Mr. Stewart, although correct in his disertation on crossfire, is guilty of the same thing and doesn't even accept any responsibility as a show supporting ideals through a different medium.

*stepping OFF the soapbox*

COMEDY CHANNEL = FUNNY

CNN = NEWS MEDIA

NEWS MEDIA SHOULD BE UNBIASED AND RIGHTIOUS. CNN IS NOT.

THAT IS THE ARGUMENT.

I think that he's saying all media needs to be a bit more unbiased. It seems that both Democrats and Repuiblicans try and put their own spin on things, even if they know that spin may not be entirely true, so that people will vote for their candidate.


CARLSON: Neither of us was ever in the spin room, actually.

(BELL RINGING)

BEGALA: No, I did -- I went to do the Larry King show.

They actually believe what they're saying. They want to persuade you. That's what they're trying to do by spinning. But I don't doubt for a minute these people who work for President Bush, who I disagree with on everything, they believe that stuff, Jon. This is not a lie or a deception at all. They believe in him, just like I believe in my guy.

(CROSSTALK)

STEWART: I think they believe President Bush would do a better job.

And I believe the Kerry guys believe President Kerry would do a better job. But what I believe is, they're not making honest arguments. So what they're doing is, in their mind, the ends justify the means.

Curvv said:
Satire is one of the most effective means of presenting a viewpoint. The problem with satire is when it makes serious points (through satire) and someone tries to counter-argue (seriously) it can back into the "this is just comedy". I was just kidding and don't need to accept respondibility for what I just conveyed. And because it starts with the preconception of not trying to effect change on any level, it writes itself off as inconsequential, while actually being a very strong way of conveying meaning and opinion (i.e. Dave Chapelles R. Kelly skit incriminated him (R. Kelly) far more in the viewers eyes than some court case none of us watched). The power of satire and comedy is discounted.

It is able to effectivly hold and purport viewpoints while claiming no responsibility for them. In the same token I don't really see how, after Stewart has shed all responsibility, he can demand it be held by someone else. In the end it is the machine that he, himself supports as well as nightline and crossfire.

Satire can speak the truth while not having to support it because by doing so it cannot be directly attacked by anything but more satire from the other side, and lets be honest, making fun of "The Daily Show" is not very funny and certainly not high prifile enough to really go after in any way to impress any kind of accountability

Mr. Stewart, although correct in his disertation on crossfire, is guilty of the same thing and doesn't even accept any responsibility as a show supporting ideals through a different medium.

*stepping OFF the soapbox*



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif thanx for articulating it better than i could.....

jon was there to make a point and he did just that. crossfire and shows like it are maquerading as news shows but they aren't - they are entertainment shows. the point of the discussions on crossfire and the like is not to get to who is right about a subject ( which would be the goal if they were true debates ), but rather who's better with the spin or the handy one liner insults.

and jon illustrated that real well by beating tucker carlson at his own game - he owned carlson and totally tore him up. jon's point was "i have a comedy show that masquerades as a news show and we admit it - you have an entertainment show that masquerades as a news show but won't admit it..." great stuff.

If they were just newshows NO ONE would watch them, thus no support from sponsors, THUS no jobs thus no show. THis machine is perpetuated by who consumers. If they did have honest debates on a daily level with no witty banter, no enraged arguments no one would watch. I'll be honest with you. I have never watched the show until this post. Had I not seen the post about Jon Stewart dicking with the hosts I would never have watched it. WIll I watch it again. NO. I prefer to get my info from written news, internet and legislature. If the post had said there is another debate with two politicians and they are answering pointed questions truthfully, i would not have even opened the post. Not that I didn't want to know the issues. I choose to dig a little deeper than a fucking comedian/actor/regular joe, figure head who never really gives me the reason they believe what they believe.

I have a buddy of mine who keeps up on both sides of the political debate and I put more stock in what he says and the hesated debates we get into on the government and our opinions than some rich fucks for all we know talk all that democrat shit and STILL vote Republican. I think instead of fucking taking a side to just take a side, Actually look at what each candidate can do for you, your family, your community and your fucking country!!!


Everyone let's take personal responsibility and find out ON YOUR OWN which candidate will be the best for this country. Take it for what it's worth. ANYONE in the media has more pull htan they think they do or more than they will let you know they have. They all could have an agenda. Decide on your own. ANd don't just vote because my mom or dad, or my buddy this or that or I hate Kerry or Bush. If you want to do something for your country. DO some research and stand by your decision.

chazmox said:
jon was there to make a point and he did just that. crossfire and shows like it are maquerading as news shows but they aren't - they are entertainment shows. the point of the discussions on crossfire and the like is not to get to who is right about a subject ( which would be the goal if they were true debates ), but rather who's better with the spin or the handy one liner insults.

and jon illustrated that real well by beating tucker carlson at his own game - he owned carlson and totally tore him up. jon's point was "i have a comedy show that masquerades as a news show and we admit it - you have an entertainment show that masquerades as a news show but won't admit it..." great stuff.



look, you already pointed it out..... so now help me understand ...... you said... that Jon said "i have a comedy show that masquerades as a news show and we admit it ....."

now explain to me how Jon isn't a hypocrite... when Jon admits he's show isn't about politics & that he didn't care enough about the issues to ask Kerry the tough questions... than why should we listen to him when he talks about how outragious the Bush administration is...... i've seen a few of his shows, bits and pieces while channel surfing... I've always tunned in while he was mocking Bush...... i dont even find him funny which is the main reason i dont watch his show...... all he spits out of his mouth is speculation.... like many of those who critisize Bush...... they comment and critic Bush's decisions without knowing much of or any of the facts....

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like many of those who critisize Bush...... they comment and critic Bush's decisions without knowing much of or any of the facts....



Sounds famiar somehow?

screamingchicken said:

like many of those who critisize Bush...... they comment and critic Bush's decisions without knowing much of or any of the facts....



Sounds famiar somehow?



no not really...... i've explaidn my reason for thinking Jon's a hypocrit.... which is more than i can say about you regarding your reply to me..... so please.... enlighten me.... i'm happy to take ideas when given support..... judging from your reply it sounds like you have something to tell me....... go ahead....

you guys dont realise you are doing exactly what my whole point is about & you dont even see it............ this guy replys "sounds famiar somehow?" implying that he thinks i'm wrong or passing judgment..... but doesn't give any support.

You think Bush is bad..... you think my comments are incorrect..... well stop being "poetic" and back it up..... with some reason or atleast some logic...

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all I have to say is Lasnoe is a dumbass.

bits said:
all I have to say is Lasnoe is a dumbass.



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Lasnoe said:

screamingchicken said:

like many of those who critisize Bush...... they comment and critic Bush's decisions without knowing much of or any of the facts....



Sounds famiar somehow?



no not really...... i've explaidn my reason for thinking Jon's a hypocrit.... which is more than i can say about you regarding your reply to me..... so please.... enlighten me.... i'm happy to take ideas when given support..... judging from your reply it sounds like you have something to tell me....... go ahead....

you guys dont realise you are doing exactly what my whole point is about & you dont even see it............ this guy replys "sounds famiar somehow?" implying that he thinks i'm wrong or passing judgment..... but doesn't give any support.

You think Bush is bad..... you think my comments are incorrect..... well stop being "poetic" and back it up..... with some reason or atleast some logic...

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Ok I'm going to give this one last shot ...

Jon Stewart's Daily Show is simply here to entertain the public, to make them laugh ... political satire, a parody on the american media. It is not, ready, NOT meant to be taken seriously ... it's a SHOW that sits on the COMEDY CHANNEL. That's it, nothing more, nothing less. Would you watch his show to keep yourself up to date on national/global events or, if you enjoy his show, for a good laugh. I for one, enjoy the laugh and do not take his material seriously as it is NOT designed for that purpose.

His criticism of CNN's Crossfire, as I said before, should be a platform where the american populace may receive answers to pressing issues that currently face your public. Instead of providing that platform, they put on a spectacle that can not possibly be taken any more seriously then his show. That's his message, it's so clear in many of his statements to those 2 fools, but they don't get it.

If Stewart had stated that his show is meant to keep the american public up to date, then I would agree he is being hypocritical. BUT the man acknowledges that time and time again throughout the entire transcript that his show is not designed as an arena for current events.

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Tyg said:

To me his message is very clear http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif



that's because your mind is very simple..... I wasn't going to reply anymore because you guys started becoming childish....... YOU CAN"T SEEM TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES...... you only seem to understand what your told.............. WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CROSSFIRE............. ( does this message seem very clear to you now?)

i said, Jon is a hypocrit because he said he doesn't care " enough " for politics..... than immediatly goes on talking about how bad Bush is http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif............ NOW IF JON DOESN"T CARE MUCH ABOUT POLITICS, THAN I DONT REALLY THINK JON SHOULD BE GIVING POLITICAL OPINIONS and expect to be taken serious..........(which is only commen sense ) he shouldn't be saying he doesn't care about politics in one breath and than give his politicle opinions in another....... Do you not agree with that very SIMPLE statement???

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screamingchicken said:

like many of those who critisize Bush...... they comment and critic Bush's decisions without knowing much of or any of the facts....



Sounds famiar somehow?



In one sentence you say you've only caught blurbs of an actor on a TV comedy and you think he's a hypocrit. Then in the next sentence you say you hate people poking fun at Bush if they don't know all of the facts. So which is it? Not to get in a huge argument, I just thought the statement was pretty funny and contradicted itself?

screamingchicken said:

screamingchicken said:

like many of those who critisize Bush...... they comment and critic Bush's decisions without knowing much of or any of the facts....



Sounds famiar somehow?



In one sentence you say you've only caught blurbs of an actor on a TV comedy and you think he's a hypocrit. Then in the next sentence you say you hate people poking fun at Bush if they don't know all of the facts. So which is it? Not to get in a huge argument, I just thought the statement was pretty funny and contradicted itself?



my opinions have nothing to do with how much of Jon's show i've seen..... when Jon appeared on crossfire he said..... HE DOESN'T CARE ENOUGH ABOUT POLITICS TO REALLY ASK KERRY ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE, THAN TURNS AROUND AND SAYS BUSH'S ADMINISTRATION IS AWFUL, like he has some sort of insight to how government/politics are managed ....... but he just told us he doesn't care about politics??? hmmmm

maybe it's my fault, i guess i didn't make this clear enough.... i thought it was..... but my problem with JON is that one can't say one doesn't care about politics, than give one's political opinions like one is an authority on the subject...... it doesn't matter that he bashed Bush.... he could have bashed kerry for all i care...... its just not smart to discredit yourself than talk about a topic like ur an authority...

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