i would love to hear your opinions on this. which car would you much rather own and drive? i find the performance numbers to be very good between the 2 cars but lets face it...when you drive in the street more often than a track, maintenance and daily driving is more important. if you had to own one of these two supercars to drive in the street, which would it be?

i was doing some research on the GT-R's maintenance stuff. the results were rather shocking. Inside Line brought in their GT-R for service and paid $10 a quart for oil, $180 for 3 quarts of differential oil with a $500 labor charge, 8 quarts of transmission fluid totaling at $689! at the end of the day, it costed $2000 for everything on a routine service. This was back in 2009. I am sure this has not changed much at all. in this article, they didnt state how many miles were on the car at the time of service. most of these fluids dont need to be changed until their scheduled intervals.
http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtests/2009/03/2009-nissan-gt-r-bargain-supercar-gets-expensive.html

Overall if i had to chose between the 2 cars, the Z06 seems to be more of a choice for the weekend warrior/daily driver type super car. now the GT-R is a beast of its own and can embarrass the luxury sport cars with everything. i think $2000 for service is definitely a lot cheaper than what a lambo/ferrari would go through. i could only imagine what an oil change would be like for one.

i have owned both v8's and tuner cars with turbos. i love both worlds very much but nothing beats the sound of a cammed out corvette or mustang going down the street. then again, the call of the GT-R is quite powerful! haha!

Neither....ZR1 :punk

I dunno...I like the GT-R, but I think I would rather be sideways all day in an American legend...sooo i think the Z06 it is.

Neither. If I were you I'd get an Litchfield Impreza. My fav is Type 25. A sportcar that beats Lambos and it can also act as a grocery-getter, with excellent mpg from what I hear.

Neither. If I were you I'd get an Litchfield Impreza. My fav is Type 25. A sportcar that beats Lambos and it can also act as a grocery-getter, with excellent mpg from what I hear.

lol isnt that straight up euro car? like the cosworth subarus?

the gtr is easy to drive fast, and is fast, but feels slow because of how smooth it is. lots of technology, and made well. doesn't feel cheap in any way.

the z06 is very visceral, and feels as fast as it is. but, you need to be a good driver if you plan on getting aggressive with your right foot. interior is typical corvette. purpose built, and nothing fancy really, even with the nav.

depending on your age, maturity level, and a host of other personality traits, the gtr might be a little too "boy-racer" for you, although it is pretty exotic still and doesn't look like your stereotypical japanese sports car.

if it were me and my money, i would get the corvette.

another vote for the vette.

GT-R hands down. Best bang for the buck and is a straight up beast. Anyone who knows how to change oil and take care of their car wont get raped by service fees.

id take the gtr. the vette is amazing, and id kill to have either, but the gtr's reviews are incredible. plus im getting too old for manual these days.

GT-R hands down. Best bang for the buck and is a straight up beast. Anyone who knows how to change oil and take care of their car wont get raped by service fees.

you really think so? have you ever driven one?

and bang for the buck? the gtr starts at $89k while the z06 starts at $74k with very similar performance.

looks like the vette does an 11.8 @ 123mph and pulls 1.08 g's around the skid pad, and the gtr does an 11.60 @ 120mph and pulls 0.97 g's around the skid pad.

so best bang for the buck? i don't think so. the z06 still has that crown.

lol isnt that straight up euro car? like the cosworth subarus?

First thing in their favor is that they're AWD (all wheel drive - constant fourwheel drive, unlike the 4WD that are 2WD and the computer turns the other two wheels on when needed). Trust me, AWD is a lot of fun, :punk , tried it myself.

They're actually tuned Japanese Spec 2004 WRX STi. It was more powerful than the US spec version. It had 29Nm (21 lb-ft) more torque at the loss of only 1 HP, even though it had 503cc less displacement and it's a TWIN-scroll turbo instead of SINGLE-scroll that the US versions have. The specs 308 HP, 1997cc and 422 Nm torque at only 17 mpg urban and 29 mpg extra-urban.

Then Litchfield went on to rebuild it.

New specs (http://www.type-25.com/engine.asp#2):

* 415bhp @ 6,500rpm (400bhp from 5,800rpm − 7,000rpm) -imagine what it can do with it's AWD
* 570Nm / 420lbft @ 3,800rpm (300lbft from 3,000rpm)
* 8,000rpm Redline
* 304bhp/ton
* 0−60mph in 3.7sec
* 0−100mph in 8.7sec
* 157mph limited top speed (175mph gearing, taller gearing also under review)

Price: new one 34,000 GPB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2wuyGOeT-8

The presenter makes a mistake when he says it's originally a 2500cc... the Japanese Spec version that Litchfield imported were 2.0 liter, it was the export cars that were 2.5 liter.

well i want the best bang for dollar and the least amount of depreciation so im going used. i have a used 08 Z06 with 4000 miles on it and a used 09 GTR with 4000 miles on it. the Z06 is that sexy chevy red for about $54k. they are selling it $1k under book value. the GTR is in mint condition and all records are up to date on it. they are selling it for $69k. I live in the northwest so AWD is a great thing to have with the nonstop rain and weird winters we have. im 31 years old and a mature driver and rider. i dont beat on my cars or bikes. i enjoy them for what they are.

if i need my speed fix then the track will always call out to me (bike track!). i seriously want to stop street riding and just get a track bike but my track days in my area are all weird. they are all scheduled for a wednesday or a saturday but im working or i have my kids! im not sure how you guys do it but man, i have no way to go to track days.

i believe the Z06 does have the best bang for buck overall. we are not talking about the ZR-1 either. just the Z06!

First thing in their favor is that they're AWD (all wheel drive - constant fourwheel drive, unlike the 4WD that are 2WD and the computer turns the other two wheels on when needed). Trust me, AWD is a lot of fun, :punk , tried it myself.

They're actually tuned Japanese Spec 2004 WRX STi. It was more powerful than the US spec version. It had 29Nm (21 lb-ft) more torque at the loss of only 1 HP, even though it had 503cc less displacement and it's a TWIN-scroll turbo instead of SINGLE-scroll that the US versions have. The specs 308 HP, 1997cc and 422 Nm torque at only 17 mpg urban and 29 mpg extra-urban.

Then Litchfield went on to rebuild it.

New specs (http://www.type-25.com/engine.asp#2):

* 415bhp @ 6,500rpm (400bhp from 5,800rpm − 7,000rpm) -imagine what it can do with it's AWD
* 570Nm / 420lbft @ 3,800rpm (300lbft from 3,000rpm)
* 8,000rpm Redline
* 304bhp/ton
* 0−60mph in 3.7sec
* 0−100mph in 8.7sec
* 157mph limited top speed (175mph gearing, taller gearing also under review)

Price: new one 34,000 GPB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2wuyGOeT-8

The presenter makes a mistake when he says it's originally a 2500cc... the Japanese Spec version that Litchfield imported were 2.0 liter, it was the export cars that were 2.5 liter.

great story, but you are comparing stock cars vs cars modified by an aftermarket company/shop.

I think Anthony D summed it up perferctly. If I'm going to drive it everyday, I want the GT-R and if it's more of a weekend/track toy, I'll take the Z06.

I think Anthony D summed it up perferctly. If I'm going to drive it everyday, I want the GT-R and if it's more of a weekend/track toy, I'll take the Z06.

for me, the driving time will be split between my F150 and the other car. i plan on keeping my truck in case i decide to be a track whore on 2 wheels. not to mention owning a home requires a truck too!

It really comes down to what you want.

Something involving or "effortless"?

Also this is the year to buy a C6, since it's probably the last model year coming up...so you can finally get good seats in em, Enzo brakes are an option from the ZR1, even lighter forged wheels, and r-comps and still be cheaper than the GT-R

great story, but you are comparing stock cars vs cars modified by an aftermarket company/shop.

:lmao Okay, if you call an WRX STi with 308hp a stock car... :lmao Or the GTR...

Btw., I wasn't comparing, but explaining how they made teh Type 25... :lol

If you want to just drive the car stock&not mod it then go with the Z06. They run pretty well but like Anthony said your right foot better be quite skilled to extract all the performance it offers

If you plan on modding for more HP,GTR hands down. The '12 GTR runs 10.9x's stock&has a 2.6sec 0-60&has an awesome transmission....throw a lil bit of money at it&your looking at a serious beast that runs low to mid 10's. There are quite a few 9sec daily driven GTR's on the road if you wanna spend a lil more.

I was never a big fan of the GTR's looks but after going for a ride in one that has some basic bolt-on's I could care less how it looks;that fucker flat out moves!
IMO,you cant beat FI&AWD in a performance based car

It really comes down to what you want.

Something involving or "effortless"?

This is the better question.

I agree with oldgixxer as far as the modding goes if you are interested in going that route. Yes, the Z06 can be modded as well, but the GT-R is definitely more high-tech and to me has so much more to tinker with.

Personally, I want effortless driving on the street. On the track, I want to be more involved in the process. I want a challenge and to learn to be a better driver.

I would take the GT-R in that comparison.......if it were a ZR1 instead of a Z06, that would be different. That thing is a monster.

I spent a fair amount of time in an 02 Z06. My only real complaint was it sucked on patched up, crappy road surfaces. It tended to skitter around & float on bad surfaces when cornering. Other than that it was a very nice car, very reliable.

if i get the GTR, i plan on dropping another 8k into it and push it close to 600hp. i can always go super crazy and drop $24k on it and get it to 800hp on pump gas :lmao
800 eng HP and 655 wheel HP!

those boys at AMS really know their stuff!
http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/AMS-Nissan-R35-GT-R-Alpha-9-Performance-Upgrade-Package.html

i came across this video from top gear. it kinda cracked me up because he cracked his neck pretty bad going in a corner and had an ambulance come and get him!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUAwj3mcDCU

I spent a fair amount of time in an 02 Z06. My only real complaint was it sucked on patched up, crappy road surfaces. It tended to skitter around & float on bad surfaces when cornering. Other than that it was a very nice car, very reliable.

You're comparing a C5 to a C6?

Better not let this make it to the Corvette boards...:spit

IMO that's like comparing an Oiler to K6/K7...

The only real thing in common between the two Z's is...well...not much actually at all other they are both Corvettes.

Another thing to take into consideration OP is this:

If you're going to do HPDE/PDX events(trackdays), the Z is lighter.

Now before a lynch mob comes roaring at me hear me out, I've done track days on my bike, and in my car. It's SO much cheaper in the bike because it doesn't eat brakes, use tires, or fuel like the car does, and the car is a middleweight when you think about track cars(Cobalt).

Also with techy things, maintenance CAN be more expensive if you're hooning the hell out of it. OG and Ant would know more than I would about the GTR on that level, but I know that Corvettes are a typically cheap track day cars.

With a C6 Z, you get some different front pads(stocks blow), a turkey baster, and change the rear diff fluid once a year along with regular oil changes and you're golden.

GTR has three difs :lol

If it's gonna be primarily a street car that may do a track day or two every year, GTR all the way.

Mainly a track mule that will occasionally play on the streets, Z all the way.

Just sit down and really think out what you wanna do with it and go from there :cheers

IMO you can't go wrong with either choice

if i get the GTR, i plan on dropping another 8k into it and push it close to 600hp. i can always go super crazy and drop $24k on it and get it to 800hp on pump gas :lmao
800 eng HP and 655 wheel HP!

those boys at AMS really know their stuff!
http://www.amsperformance.com/cart/AMS-Nissan-R35-GT-R-Alpha-9-Performance-Upgrade-Package.html

Alpha9 you say? Pussy!! Go for the Alpha12 lol

My buddy has an '10 GTR that he bought new & started doing simple bolt-ons(Cobb APT,downpipe,etc)and it flat out annihilated anything on the street from the dig minus one or two heavily modded 997TT's&900whp Evo. He then decided to mod a lil bit more&went with modded turbos,larger injectors,cat-back,larger intakes,E85 tune etc..still *basically* all bolt-ons. Car put down 700whp(which is the limit on stock trans)and will run hi 9's while still being a daily driver in NYC. He spent less than $10k total. Talk about bang for the buck:ohmy

He was beating bikes(with so-so riders) from the dig BEFORE the second round of mods..now he will take down 95% of the bikes from a dig&Im a die hard dragracer and I just hate giving props to a car beating bikes in the 1/4:biggrin

I want a GTR:cheers

havnt driven either ,(though iv driven a few tough r34's and a modded c5 zo6) i love both cars for different reasons , the GTR was made to dice with supercars and does so , but the corvette is sort of the car that surprises people because they write them off as just a 'hoons' car but they do have racing pedigree and respond very well to mods ...
for me id take the corvette , its suits my personality more ...

You're comparing a C5 to a C6?

Better not let this make it to the Corvette boards...:spit

IMO that's like comparing an Oiler to K6/K7...

The only real thing in common between the two Z's is...well...not much actually at all other they are both Corvettes.



My point was not to say they were the same. I obviously didn't get my thought across too well. Hey, I knew what I meant, you dick!!:biggrin My point was to go for a real world ride in both. I thought the C5 Z06 ('02, bright yellow) was going to make a fun street car & a once in a while track car. Once I spent time on everyday twisties in my area with the often terrible road surfaces, I knew it would not be much fun as a back road blaster.

Great Top Gear clip. I think I would lean towards the GTR just because it's a lot more unique. I think as an all around road car it would be more fun & enjoyable also. Jet, that Alpha 9 from AMS is way beyond sick.

Alpha9 you say? Pussy!! Go for the Alpha12 lol

My buddy has an '10 GTR that he bought new & started doing simple bolt-ons(Cobb APT,downpipe,etc)and it flat out annihilated anything on the street from the dig minus one or two heavily modded 997TT's&900whp Evo. He then decided to mod a lil bit more&went with modded turbos,larger injectors,cat-back,larger intakes,E85 tune etc..still *basically* all bolt-ons. Car put down 700whp(which is the limit on stock trans)and will run hi 9's while still being a daily driver in NYC. He spent less than $10k total. Talk about bang for the buck:ohmy

He was beating bikes(with so-so riders) from the dig BEFORE the second round of mods..now he will take down 95% of the bikes from a dig&Im a die hard dragracer and I just hate giving props to a car beating bikes in the 1/4:biggrin

I want a GTR:cheers

im considering the alpha 9 kit but i dont know if $24k is over kill for what they want? i am gonna try to piece it together from scratch and compare the cost. the cobb programmer is a beast on that car.
the only thing holding me back from buying right now is the fact im living in an apartment. i am planning on moving out this month and break my contract and get a duplex home with a garage until im ready to purchase a home. i need to get a place with a garage and back yard and i have the place lined up already. i just need to get everything together and move in. if i do buy the GTR before i move, i will probably car cover it at my apartment to prevent any curious people.
BTW, oldfart..i need to hire you again to wash my bike in your speedo as a theft deterrent.

im considering the alpha 9 kit but i dont know if $24k is over kill for what they want? i am gonna try to piece it together from scratch and compare the cost. the cobb programmer is a beast on that car.
the only thing holding me back from buying right now is the fact im living in an apartment. i am planning on moving out this month and break my contract and get a duplex home with a garage until im ready to purchase a home. i need to get a place with a garage and back yard and i have the place lined up already. i just need to get everything together and move in. if i do buy the GTR before i move, i will probably car cover it at my apartment to prevent any curious people.
BTW, oldfart..i need to hire you again to wash my bike in your speedo as a theft deterrent.

:lmao No problem as long as I can whip on your new GTR when I'm done!

well i have been giving it a lot of thought lately and trying to decide which car i would love to go with. i would really love a cammed out Z06 with a nice corsa exhaust but i love the GTR. im gonna be doing test drives next week to decide which one i want to get. the GTR would be a more practical fun car to drive somewhat daily vs the Z06. a corvette has always been my dream car though. decisions decisions!

Z06 All the way. As good as the GTR is, you cant argue with the LS7.

7.0L V8 motor thats lighter and smaller than the 6.0L V12 in the enzo, 5.0L V10 in the M5/M6 and the 4.3L V8 in the Ferrari F430.

LS7 is a technological tour de force. Shows how much tech and performance GM can stuff into a 15k consumer car motor.

But best of all, it has a 6 speed MANUAL

i was looking at those hennessey packages for the Z06. man that car sounds so sick. if i get a Z06, its gonna get a hennessey job. luckily an authorized chevy dealer next to where i live can install the packages. i would need a cam that can go with a supercharged setup though. ill have to ask hennessey which grind cam they like to use for their stuff. i love those sexy cam lopes in muscle cars. while i am at it, i may end up installing a passport 9500ci. i think that will help a ton!

Eh...do some more research on Hennessey before you go that route&spend big money:dissapointed

Like I posted earlier(and this is 100% my opinion only):
If your going to mod either of these cars go with the GTR. The AWD&top notch trans will shine over the Z06 in any acceleleration contest hands down. You can spend a few grand&be running low to mid 10s all day,every day in a GTR..not so much with the Z06.
Trust me,a very close friend of mine owned a modded 675 rwhp C6 Z06&now owns a 700whp GTR. He swears there is NO comparison between the two once the modding starts for power/reliablity..its GTR all the way

Eh...do some more research on Hennessey before you go that route&spend big money:dissapointed

Like I posted earlier(and this is 100% my opinion only):
If your going to mod either of these cars go with the GTR. The AWD&top notch trans will shine over the Z06 in any acceleleration contest hands down. You can spend a few grand&be running low to mid 10s all day,every day in a GTR..not so much with the Z06.
Trust me,a very close friend of mine owned a modded 675 rwhp C6 Z06&now owns a 700whp GTR. He swears there is NO comparison between the two once the modding starts for power/reliablity..its GTR all the way

ill keep it in mind. the ams performance pack for the GTR is $24k. i dont know how much hennessey charges for their GTR package. the tranny can handle up to 700hp. ams says anything above that will require a tranny rework.

i have to admit, this video i found really put the GTR as the car i want to get now lol!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an3CDIhUmOc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lyVG-v_j3M

Eh...do some more research on Hennessey before you go that route&spend big money:dissapointed

Like I posted earlier(and this is 100% my opinion only):
If your going to mod either of these cars go with the GTR. The AWD&top notch trans will shine over the Z06 in any acceleleration contest hands down. You can spend a few grand&be running low to mid 10s all day,every day in a GTR..not so much with the Z06.
Trust me,a very close friend of mine owned a modded 675 rwhp C6 Z06&now owns a 700whp GTR. He swears there is NO comparison between the two once the modding starts for power/reliablity..its GTR all the way

Yeah LS7 and high cyl pressures from nitrous or any kind of forced induction doesn't get a long real well with pressed in sleeves :lol

Cam and heads is about all you can REALLY do to a Z06 safely

Get a Grand Sport OP if you want to 'soup up' a Vette.

Yeah LS7 and high cyl pressures from nitrous or any kind of forced induction doesn't get a long real well with pressed in sleeves :lol

Cam and heads is about all you can REALLY do to a Z06 safely

Get a Grand Sport OP if you want to 'soup up' a Vette.

thats an interesting point brought up with the LS7. i love cammed out vettes. would not be too big a deal for me to drop a good cam with exhaust on a Z06. im starting to get sold on the GTR but im worried i would get way too much attention driving around in that thing. ill have all those punk kids wanting to race me and chase me around just to get a look at the car. who knows how many gran turismo mobs i would get around it too.

if it becomes way too difficult to own this car, then ill trade it in for the Z06.

I've always liked the Corvettes but I own a 2010 GT-R. Both are awesome cars and are excellent values in terms of performance but they have key differences:

Corvette: Pros: lighter, simpler, in a straight line depending on the model it'll be fairly close to the GT-R, much cheaper and easier to maintain, you won't get quite as many boy racers trying to race you because of the Corvette stereotype that they're driven mostly by older people
Cons: RWD rather than AWD so the GT-R has the edge in ease of driving, cornering, and in adverse conditions, far more common (to most people a ZR-1 or ZO6 might as well be the same as the base Corvette their granddad drives), no rear seats, interior not as good or have as many doohickeys

GT-R: Pros: FAR less common, AWD, 4 seats and a trunk, better interior, dual-clutch trans is more versatile since you can leave it in auto when you're lazy but still have manual mode for fun, easier to drive both daily and at the track
Cons: more expensive to maintain (even if you do it yourself it will still tend to be more expensive since the supplies are more expensive such as the transmission fluids), tends to attract more attention (which is both good and bad)

If you're really split on the two I think only a test drive will decide it for you. With cars like this it's more about the heart than the head so people can throw all sorts of rational justifications at you like price and cost of ownership but once you actually experience them that's usually when you just know which one you prefer.

I've always liked the Corvettes but I own a 2010 GT-R. Both are awesome cars and are excellent values in terms of performance but they have key differences:

Corvette: Pros: lighter, simpler, in a straight line depending on the model it'll be fairly close to the GT-R, much cheaper and easier to maintain, you won't get quite as many boy racers trying to race you because of the Corvette stereotype that they're driven mostly by older people
Cons: RWD rather than AWD so the GT-R has the edge in ease of driving, cornering, and in adverse conditions, far more common (to most people a ZR-1 or ZO6 might as well be the same as the base Corvette their granddad drives), no rear seats, interior not as good or have as many doohickeys

GT-R: Pros: FAR less common, AWD, 4 seats and a trunk, better interior, dual-clutch trans is more versatile since you can leave it in auto when you're lazy but still have manual mode for fun, easier to drive both daily and at the track
Cons: more expensive to maintain (even if you do it yourself it will still tend to be more expensive since the supplies are more expensive such as the transmission fluids), tends to attract more attention (which is both good and bad)

If you're really split on the two I think only a test drive will decide it for you. With cars like this it's more about the heart than the head so people can throw all sorts of rational justifications at you like price and cost of ownership but once you actually experience them that's usually when you just know which one you prefer.

thanks for the break down! i did some up with something else and i am trying to decide what to do. if i got this 09 with 4600 miles, im turning around and sending it out to get the ams performance alpha 9 package done. they offer a military discount of 10% which is good enough to pay for labor at the shop. the car would come out with about 650 wheel HP. after this is all said and done, it will be around the price of a new 2012 GTR.

then again i can get the new 2012 GTR at MSRP and enjoy it as is with maybe just an exhaust swap.

i got in touch with hennessey performance concerning Z06 upgrades. they said their HPE650 upgrade package would cost me about $12.5k inclusive of labor at my local chevy dealer. i think that is an awesome price to put on top of a Z06 vs the ams upgrade package for the GTR ($25k). i would need to just throw in a full exhaust and cam into the package and be set.

That top gear vid should have made you want to buy it then and there! That's awesome, I'm happy for ya Kris.

Get that fcking GT-R home and I'm coming up to take a ride... or to race :D haha

thanks for the break down! i did some up with something else and i am trying to decide what to do. if i got this 09 with 4600 miles, im turning around and sending it out to get the ams performance alpha 9 package done. they offer a military discount of 10% which is good enough to pay for labor at the shop. the car would come out with about 650 wheel HP. after this is all said and done, it will be around the price of a new 2012 GTR.

then again i can get the new 2012 GTR at MSRP and enjoy it as is with maybe just an exhaust swap.

i got in touch with hennessey performance concerning Z06 upgrades. they said their HPE650 upgrade package would cost me about $12.5k inclusive of labor at my local chevy dealer. i think that is an awesome price to put on top of a Z06 vs the ams upgrade package for the GTR ($25k). i would need to just throw in a full exhaust and cam into the package and be set.

I don't have any personal experience with them but I've heard too many negative things said about Henessey to trust them with my money (parts swapped off one customer car to put on another or one of Hennesey's projects, work not getting done, etc. etc.).

There are many happy customers on the GT-R owner's club board - NAGTROC - with AMS but they're not the only game in town. There also seem to be many on the board who are very pleased with Jotech and Switzer. AMS has started working on the Z06 too btw in case you hadn't heard. Before throwing down that much money on modding a GT-R though I'd try it stock first - even stock it's a beast. I've thrown a lot of money at mine but haven't felt the need for more power myself. Less weight is going to be my goal going forward hence the Akrapovic titanium exhaust already on it and the CF parts and lighter seats I plan on getting.

If you want a good forum to ask about GT-Rs go to NAGTROC.org. There are plenty of Corvette owners there too and you wouldn't be the first one to ask this question there. From what I've seen it's a far less biased group than an equivalent Corvette forum (probably because a lot of people there have actually tried or own both cars while you can say the same of few Corvette owners).

I don't have any personal experience with them but I've heard too many negative things said about Henessey to trust them with my money (parts swapped off one customer car to put on another or one of Hennesey's projects, work not getting done, etc. etc.).

There are many happy customers on the GT-R owner's club board - NAGTROC - with AMS but they're not the only game in town. There also seem to be many on the board who are very pleased with Jotech and Switzer. AMS has started working on the Z06 too btw in case you hadn't heard. Before throwing down that much money on modding a GT-R though I'd try it stock first - even stock it's a beast. I've thrown a lot of money at mine but haven't felt the need for more power myself. Less weight is going to be my goal going forward hence the Akrapovic titanium exhaust already on it and the CF parts and lighter seats I plan on getting.

If you want a good forum to ask about GT-Rs go to NAGTROC.org. There are plenty of Corvette owners there too and you wouldn't be the first one to ask this question there. From what I've seen it's a far less biased group than an equivalent Corvette forum (probably because a lot of people there have actually tried or own both cars while you can say the same of few Corvette owners).

yeah im already apart of their forum and been reading everything. im checking out the vendors and see what they offer as well. i am considering getting an 09 model and just violate the warranty to death with a full upgrade. i know the 2012 model is completely different from the original. i may just be happy with a 2012 model and an aftermarket exhaust. i read alot about the cobb reflash and the whole warranty headache that may come along with it.

I'd get the GT-R just for the fact that everyone and their mom has a Z06. I only see a GT-R maybe once a month, while I see 3 Z06's parked in my condo garage alone.

Another thing you need to consider is the comfort and noise level. My buddy has a GTR with a full exhaust, and the thing is so god damn loud that he can't take it on trips longer than an hour or so, because you will get out with your ears ringing.

Another thing you need to consider is the comfort and noise level. My buddy has a GTR with a full exhaust, and the thing is so god damn loud that he can't take it on trips longer than an hour or so, because you will get out with your ears ringing.

thats a good point but would a fully loaded Z06 just be too damn loud too? LOL! i dont plan on doing long hauls in a GTR/Z06. i have a 2nd car just for that purpose.

Why would you buy a car to drop 30 grand to make it faster? Just buy a faster car....

Why would you buy a car to drop 30 grand to make it faster? Just buy a faster car....

I'm more curious how he is buying a GTR on SSgt pay! Either just got a ridiculous SRB or is TDY / Deployed 8 months of the year! You can't bs me Jet! I know what SSgt pay is! :lmao Is this thread just hypothetical or are you actually purchasing?

I'm more curious how he is buying a GTR on SSgt pay! Either just got a ridiculous SRB or is TDY / Deployed 8 months of the year! You can't bs me Jet! I know what SSgt pay is! :lmao Is this thread just hypothetical or are you actually purchasing?

actually purchasing. it has nothing to do with my pay or TDY pay or anything. it would be very funny to see a SSgt step out of a GTR at work though lol

He's my pimp. I've been making him good money lately and he's taking a cut off the top, if you know what I mean.

Another thing you need to consider is the comfort and noise level. My buddy has a GTR with a full exhaust, and the thing is so god damn loud that he can't take it on trips longer than an hour or so, because you will get out with your ears ringing.

Yeah but he has the Meisterchaft exhaust on his car which is prolly THE loudest exhaust you can get..that car made my ears hurt just following behind it that day:dissapointed

Still wondering why you just wouldt buy a faster car with all the money your dropping...

^^ what would be faster with the amount of money he's looking to spend plus mods?

^^ what would be faster with the amount of money he's looking to spend plus mods?

With that kind of money you can look at lightly used european sports cars.

I'm a driver coach and ex pro driver and have spent a ton of time in both on the track and the zr1 which is certainly not worth the 40grand extra on a used one.

The GTR is basically a pile of shit for a track car. I was going to buy one when they first came out, drove one on the track and that was that. The car has absolutely zero balance, and almost impossible to mod without completely destroying it as a daily driver.
The z06 is probally the cheapest track ready car that doesn't need 5grand for a set of decent front brakes or any other glaring flaw.

I didn't read anything about your budget: 997 gt3's with carbon ceramics and 1-3k miles can be had now for under 95k. Imo this is the best track car and a faily decent daily driver. Only car I would rather have for the track is the 997 gt3 RS but then I cant drive 3 or 4 times a week. Maby consider a 997 911tt for 75-85 or a 996 911tt for 40-70 for a DD and track toy
Or if you just want the most insane thing ever buy a new evo x for 35grand and dump 20k into it like I did. On a tame 35lbs of boost its making 650 and eats 600s



Cliff notes:
GTR is basically only good for DD and a fun ass street car.
Z06 is good entry level track car and other than the massive heat that comes from the transmission cooking ur leg its a good DD.

Save those pennies and go for a gt3

actually purchasing. it has nothing to do with my pay or TDY pay or anything. it would be very funny to see a SSgt step out of a GTR at work though lol

You my friend are really good at finances or have something else helping you out. All the power to you! :cheers Im looking at an RS4 and having a hard time getting that into my budget.. Ofcourse the fiance doesnt have a job right now, so that doesnt help! :cursing

With that kind of money you can look at lightly used european sports cars.

None will be anywhere near as fast as a modded GTR w basic bolt-ons installed. Matter of fact,name one used european sports car that will run in the 10's with only spending $2k in mods...a used 997.2tt can but your entry price is still above $100k and you still have to spend more then $2k to do it

im not too interested in picking up a nice euro car. if i pick up a used GTR for $69k here at my dealer and dropped $25k in upgrades, i would be at the base price of a 2012 GTR. i find that to be a bit more value than buying a new 2012 gtr. the 2009 GTR already lost part of its value up to this point. funny enough though, the GTR does have the best resale value in the market right now from what i have read.

im not too interested in a track beast. i did think about the Evo and then dropping 20k into it and that is another option im entertaining. i even considered picking up a used 350z and then dropping some money into that for a fun car instead of dropping a wad on the GTR. an Evo MR has always been one car i have wanted. i did sit in a brand new one and didnt like the seats too much. they dug into my sides a bit more than a normal racing seat would. so up to this point, my considerations are this:

09 GTR+ AMS Performance Alpha 9 upgrade
09 GTR and a project car to play with (350z possibly not to exceed 25k total car/mods)
z06 plus an upgrade package to the engine (i found the hennessey complaints online so no hennessey for me!)
Evo MR and drop a wad into that and make it a street/strip beast

You my friend are really good at finances or have something else helping you out. All the power to you! :cheers Im looking at an RS4 and having a hard time getting that into my budget.. Ofcourse the fiance doesnt have a job right now, so that doesnt help! :cursing

um i have something else that came along and gave me a boost. lets just say im set if i ever got out of the service and still have my fun cars. if i got out, i am going to college full time with the GI Bill. my priority is ensuring my kids are taken care of and they will be. im keeping spending to a very simple plan so i have been pricing up all options when it comes to what my fun car will be. i am a stickler when it comes to sticking to my budget and ensuring i accomplish what i need to get done first.

An Idea i've been having in the back of my mind I doubt Ill do it but its there.

Buy a bentley cont GT for pimpin and DD and a lotus exige for about 100k

Why not just buy the GTR and a miata to build for a cheap 100% track toy?


That way you have an awesome street car and an awesome track car.

Why not just buy the GTR and a miata to build for a cheap 100% track toy?


That way you have an awesome street car and an awesome track car.

im not too interested in tracking a car. ill track a bike but not a car. i get more thrill in the idea of putting a bike on the track.

If you are really considering modding a car, i recommend getting on the forums for that car and checking out where they buy their stuff at. Buying and "upgrade package" from a company like AMS or Hennessy is a huge waste of money. Anything with Hennessy on it you might as well forget about, their package for the SVT Raptor is like 7500 bucks and consists of a ECU reflash, exhaust cutout and some stickers. You can buy and E-Cutout for 300 bucks and a reflash for another 500, that leaves you with some pretty expensive stickers. AMS makes good parts and fast cars, their packages for the GT-R are probably priced assuming that if you have 90k for the car, youve got another 24k laying around. You can do the same mods for alot cheaper, even having a shop install them.

If you're considering the Evo X just make sure you can live with the small trunk and the cheap interior. I LOVE the Evo X and almost bought one but wanted a good-on-gas DD for now instead. The deal killers though were the tiny-ass trunk (7 cubic feet - smaller than a GT-Rs by a fair margin), poor gas mileage (same as a GT-R but with 200 less horsepower), and plastic fantastic interior. It's an awesome car on track and on the street though and very responsive to mods.

Also liked the 2011 WRX except for the notchy shifter and heavy clutch that always seems to plague the Impreza.

Beg to differ on the claim that the GT-R is worthless on track or impossible to mod without making it a useless DD car. I don't track mine since I like it too much to risk but there are more than a few owners on NAGTROC who track theirs regularly AND use them as DD cars. It was designed by Nissan for both street and track after all and if it weren't a good track car then how could stock versions do so well in so many track tests across the globe by so many different car magazines/websites (C/D, Evo, Autocar, Sport Auto, Best Motoring - just to name a few)?

Just as with bikes, some people prefer a car to behave a certain way and if it doesn't then they won't like it for the track. A GT-Rs behavior at the limit is certainly not for everyone the same way as not everyone likes a Corvette, Porsche, or Evo at the limit. The fact that a car may not suit one person's taste or driving style doesn't preclude the fact that many others find it a great fit.

If you are really considering modding a car, i recommend getting on the forums for that car and checking out where they buy their stuff at. Buying and "upgrade package" from a company like AMS or Hennessy is a huge waste of money. Anything with Hennessy on it you might as well forget about, their package for the SVT Raptor is like 7500 bucks and consists of a ECU reflash, exhaust cutout and some stickers. You can buy and E-Cutout for 300 bucks and a reflash for another 500, that leaves you with some pretty expensive stickers. AMS makes good parts and fast cars, their packages for the GT-R are probably priced assuming that if you have 90k for the car, youve got another 24k laying around. You can do the same mods for alot cheaper, even having a shop install them.

im on the GTR forum and there arent many packages out there. they take the turbos and swap them out for upgraded ones they made. their map is custom they designed from scratch. im going to talk to my local shop and ask them about their GTR package. these guys got on TV for their work on their GTR. it costs a lot more to build custom parts for the GTR considering how tuned the car is and how everything needs to work in sync together. Illtech Auto might give me a different price vs AMS and they are right up the street from me. my buddies and i used to go by there a lot to check out their projects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXmOg4QuVCE

^ That thing sounds ridiculously dirty :lmao

Get it Kris, you deserve it bro :cheers

Agree that you dont *have* to get a package from the big name tuners like Switzer,Jotech or AMS to get nice power from your GTR..you can save a substantial amount of money if you use a smaller,reputable shop as well.
This is my friends Akuma build on NAGTROC..his car scared the shit outta me BEFORE he brought it there for upgrades..I havent been in it since he got it back a few days ago but I will this weekend...anyways,here:

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=50963

its a little confusing with the kits. AMS makes stupid power with their alpha 9 package and this local shop does a different approach. they basically have this kit without the upgraded turbos. it makes about 100hp less which is fine with me. im going to visit them as soon as i can and speak with them concerning their project. their upgrade package is only $7k. i think thats much better than 24k. i have been to their garage. my buddies and i have seen their projects and their work. great craftsmanship! i bought my exhaust from them for my old 350z GT convertible. they even installed it for free too.

i love the nagtroc website. the guys there are very friendly and know a lot of stuff. i learned a lot being on their site. i think with the money savings visiting these guys, i may look towards a veilside body kit for the car. it just changes out the bottom half of the car out. its not a full makeover kit. they have it on the illtech auto website and it looks sweet and still keeps the lines of the GTR looking sexy too!

^ That thing sounds ridiculously dirty :lmao

Get it Kris, you deserve it bro :cheers

i believe that is a non-resonated meistershaft exhaust setup. those things are insanely loud. i would probably get a ticket at idle in that lol

i believe that is a non-resonated meistershaft exhaust setup. those things are insanely loud. i would probably get a ticket at idle in that lol

+1
they are over-the-top loud:dissapointed

Just in case there's any doubt that the GT-R is a GREAT track car that can still be driven on the street please refer to the results of the recent 2011 edition of One Lap of America:

http://www.onelapofamerica.com/event/CumResultsOverall.do?eventId=30

Three of the top 5 spots in the overall standings - including the winner (not the first time for a GT-R) - are occupied by R35s.

Since One Lap is roughly 3500 miles of driving consisting of a multitude of tracks interspersed with driving your race car between each one on regular streets I think the results speak for themselves. The last three events have seen a GT-R finish first twice and second the other time. That's a damn good batting average.

Just in case there's any doubt that the GT-R is a GREAT track car that can still be driven on the street please refer to the results of the recent 2011 edition of One Lap of America:

http://www.onelapofamerica.com/event/CumResultsOverall.do?eventId=30

Three of the top 5 spots in the overall standings - including the winner (not the first time for a GT-R) - are occupied by R35s.

Since One Lap is roughly 3500 miles of driving consisting of a multitude of tracks interspersed with driving your race car between each one on regular streets I think the results speak for themselves. The last three events have seen a GT-R finish first twice and second the other time. That's a damn good batting average.

werd:punk

well i wanna do an update to this thread. some things have come around and it looks like im gonna be getting a dodge viper :)

:vomit

LOL \/ a little butt hurt?

:vomit

Good god you're annoying. Always have something bad to say in every thread.

That's awesome man

well i cant fight a free viper. its being given to me. a 2008 Viper SRT10. good friend of mine is giving it to me. i should have it by mid-june hopefully.

I think you should take the viper, then take the money you WERE going to spend on a car and buy me one :dunno

I think you should take the viper, then take the money you WERE going to spend on a car and buy me one :dunno

i like the viper because its a total control car without traction control or any of those other gadgets. i may have to take it out on the track a couple of times! im gonna buy a custom hard top and install it on the car for those drag strip/track days and what not. this is the convertible model im gonna be getting. the hard top roof addon is $3500 custom painted.

Wow, that was like listening to several women talk about lipstick & eye-shadow.
Good thing your friend made up your mind for ya, I was gettin concerned ya might throw the Caddy CTS-V in the mix :rolleyes2
Enjoy the Viper.

Wow, that was like listening to several women talk about lipstick & eye-shadow.
Good thing your friend made up your mind for ya, I was gettin concerned ya might throw the Caddy CTS-V in the mix :rolleyes2
Enjoy the Viper.

LOL yeah i know what you mean haha

i wouldnt say no to any free car.
good luck, keep us posted, with pics, reviews etc

well i cant fight a free viper. its being given to me. a 2008 Viper SRT10. good friend of mine is giving it to me. i should have it by mid-june hopefully.

The insurance on vipers are out of this world. You will need to save the money you were going to spend for that.

Not my cup of tea (a little, shall we say, brutish?) but hey, you can't beat free - I'd take it myself lol.

yeah if it doesnt work out for me, ill sell it or trade it towards a Z06. i was doing some looking around the corvette forum. there are some brand new carbon z06's for sale for under $80k ($96k MSRP). shop located in cali! might have to hit them up if i dont like the viper in the long run.

if i got a free car, regardless of what it was, id drive it until it couldnt drive anymore.

Vette for fun factor. All driver assists off and say goodbye to another set of tires every week.

I have an 08 EVO X and an 05 built STi (track car)
The EVO X is so f'n easy to drive, handles amazing.
I don't like the seating position as I'm a short fuck and I'd like to have been able to raise the seat height (like Subaru) but damn the car is so easy to drive....fast.
Only issue I've had with the EVO is clutch master has gone out twice on me. 15,000 miles on the car.
Both times dealer took care of the repair, I did'nt tell em I installed an aftermarket clutch (ACT)
Subaru's for sale on nasoic or something site.

Check it out
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2183731

Just something to read guy's since you all seem to be car nutts and know whats up.

i love the evo and STi. they are everywhere up here too.

EVO on track gets 7-8 MPG and not much better when driven hard on street :)
Subaru does 1.5 lap's of Big Willow/gallon :)
About 4MPG and can consume $250 to $350 day on a typical track day, race fuel $8/gallon.
I love spending $40 in fuel for the bike :)

:monkeyface

i have a big interest in one of those limited edition carbon z06's. those are so nice!

I own a vette and would much rather own a GTR. I see 6 vettes everyday and have only seen two GTRs in the past year on the highway at once. Now modding wise the vette is cheaper.

I own a vette and would much rather own a GTR. I see 6 vettes everyday and have only seen two GTRs in the past year on the highway at once. Now modding wise the vette is cheaper.

i really love the GTR and the numbers it throws down. that could be a car i want in the future but for now im gonna stick with the viper and see where it goes! im working with my buddy on when it will be brought up. he is working on a few things on his end. he is currently down in TX with it and he wants to drive it up. i think he is nuts. he also told me worse case scenario he will just ship it up to me.

i really love the GTR and the numbers it throws down. that could be a car i want in the future but for now im gonna stick with the viper and see where it goes! im working with my buddy on when it will be brought up. he is working on a few things on his end. he is currently down in TX with it and he wants to drive it up. i think he is nuts. he also told me worse case scenario he will just ship it up to me.


your buddy is retarded/insane if he wants to drive a viper from tx to wa. 1) they're uncomfortable 2) it'll break :lol

your buddy is retarded/insane if he wants to drive a viper from tx to wa. 1) they're uncomfortable 2) it'll break :lol

+1

Have you ever driven Viper? It is the cheapest made sports car ever. It uses the same door handles as the Neon!!!

your buddy is retarded/insane if he wants to drive a viper from tx to wa. 1) they're uncomfortable 2) it'll break :lol

yes i know he is insane haha! i told him to get it up here and ill take it but i wont hold my breath on it.

i cant believe you're even thinking about other cars.. you're getting a free what, 70,000 car...
just drive the thing, so you have troubles, its not gonna cost 70,000 to repair..

i cant believe you're even thinking about other cars.. you're getting a free what, 70,000 car...
just drive the thing, so you have troubles, its not gonna cost 70,000 to repair..

im not thinking about other cars. i just noticed that the carbon z06 is really nice! i will always have an interest in different cars but i always listen to the voice of reason before anything.

I'd rather drive a viper. It might have neon door handles. But the 08+ vettes have a cobalt steering wheel :)

I'd rather drive a viper. It might have neon door handles. But the 08+ vettes have a cobalt steering wheel :)

actually the cobalt was corvette inspired when it first came out. i remember when those cars came out and that is what they talked about. my x-wife wanted one real bad so we went out and got her a red cobalt.

I'd rather drive a viper. It might have neon door handles. But the 08+ vettes have a cobalt steering wheel :)

Clearly never driven either.

free viper !!!!! wtf , you must have the dirt on your mate , did you catch him with a transvestite ??!!

free viper !!!!! wtf , you must have the dirt on your mate , did you catch him with a transvestite ??!!

nah nothing like that. you have to understand the kind of person he is.

wow , my mates suck then :)