Ok all, I recently picked up an '04 gixxer 600.
My first sevice is next week and then I'd like to put either a slip-on or a full system in the up coming month.
I'd like to have a deep/smooth sound so more people hear me on the road. (I live in California and traffic is a pain)
My question to everyone is what's the best out there?
And what would the difference be in HP for a slip-on vs. full system?

The difference in HP is with a full system you actually get a HP/Tq gain unlike slip-on.

the only way to get good hp gains in with a full system

I learned from Pipe City yesterday that the stock exhaust on the '04 is one single piece. No one will be making slip-ons for it. It's either a can only or a full system.

I'm considering the M4 stainless system for $715 from them. Ends up being pretty expensive when you add the Power Commander with it.

sorry to be off topic, but how does the power commander work?

nicknageli said:
I learned from Pipe City yesterday that the stock exhaust on the '04 is one single piece. No one will be making slip-ons for it. It's either a can only or a full system.

I'm considering the M4 stainless system for $715 from them. Ends up being pretty expensive when you add the Power Commander with it.



You have been fed a load of crap.
The stock muffler is simply bolted on.
Buy a bolt on Yosh and let her sing.

Maybe I explained it wrong or you understood it wrong.

Pipe City explained that there won't be a slip-on made for the '04 600. It's either a bolt-on can or a full system.

It looks like your response said the same thing.

jefflambert18 said:
sorry to be off topic, but how does the power commander work?



http://www.powercommander.com/featintro.shtml

So there really isn't a need for a bolt-on/slip-on if I'm looking for a little HP?
If that's true, why do company's make them?
Or are these made for better looks and noise?

Two Brother's claims horsepower increases with their bolt-on can.

http://www.twobrothers.com/Cust_Service/Dyno_Charts/Suz_GSX-R600-2001_SO_Dyno.pdf

Dyno Graph

"Suzuki GSX-R600 (2001-04) Flange-On Exhaust Systems: Suzuki has fuel injected it's infamous GSX-R600 and Two Brothers Racing has once again delivered with our C-Series exhaust canisters. Simply unbolt your existing exhaust canister and bolt on a Two Brothers Racing canister for even more power (+4 HP). The Two Brothers Racing exhaust systems smooth out the dip in power at 5,500 & 8,000 RPM. All improvements are with the STOCK FI system."

http://www.twobrothers.com/Exhaust/Suzuki/GSX-R600.shtm

From what I'm aware of, a bolt-on is just the cannister alone and it bolts onto the stock pipe with the 4 bolts on the back. A slip-on is the cannister with a half pipe. The slip-on pipe connects with the stock pipe. Like these:

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/bolton.jpg

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/slipon.jpg

So would you say Two Bros. is the better of all the bolt-ons out there?
Or is this because there isn't much out there to choose from for the '04 yet?

Cool, thanks for the pics.
So is there a HP difference in the slip-on vs. bolt-on?

I'd say don't expect too much hp gain (if any) from a bolt-on. They're mainly for sounds and looks. I had a MIG slip-on on my last 750 and it felt even weaker than stock.

I think it really is a matter of subjective opinion. Micron and Akrapovic are supposed to have really good quality stuff. I've read that everyone and their dog has a Yoshimura pipe on their Suzuki. The guy at Pipe City I spoke with said he had an M4 full system on his '03 Gixxer 1000. He kind of talked down the Yoshimura.

I have a HMF full system that i paid $499 for and it was on my 03 and will be installed on my 04 when it arrives, It is kind of loud like a race system but if you had a db killer it quiets it down just a tad. Im not sure on hp figures for the 04 but my 03 gained from 98.3 to 102.5 on the dyno and it was stock cept the pipe at the time.

StyleZ said:
From what I'm aware of, a bolt-on is just the cannister alone and it bolts onto the stock pipe with the 4 bolts on the back. A slip-on is the cannister with a half pipe. The slip-on pipe connects with the stock pipe. Like these:

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/bolton.jpg

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/slipon.jpg

Not all brands view it the same.

I just want to know if you want horsepower because you race at the track or what. Many people don't even use 3/4 of the horses that come stock on these bikes much less any additional horses they can get. Get a bolt -on whatever brand looks and sounds good to you and open her up. If you got to have a full system for some reason most brands make good pipes and systems it's all about sounds and looks.

I have no plans on racing, rather a better look and most important... louder sound.
Maybe my question to you is a bolt-on good enough for louder sound or is a full exhaust a better way to go?

I don't understand why people worry about whether you take the bike to the track or not. That was the first question a sales guy at Pipe City asked. I told him that I didn't have any tracks within a 400 mile radius. He said to just get the bolt-on then.

Say for argument's sake you get 1 hp from a bolt on and it costs you $300. That's $300 per HP.

What if you get 10 hp with a $800 full exhaust and a $260 Power Commander. That's $106 per HP.

Whether you're at the track or on the street, you get more bang for your buck with the full system.

Are these HP numbers realistic?

You make a great point.
Economically that's sound advise.
As for the figures in HP #'s, there seems to be difference in all the makers. Not sure which OEM is correct, so how do we tell which OEM makes quality parts better than others?
Not to mention which are the better OEM's vs. the lower OEM exhaust makers? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

so according to Two Bro's the 2001 to 2004 use the same bolt on. good to know.

I am not sure how accurate this is maybe someone that knows a little more could confirm or deny. My local shop told me that the hp/trq gains with a full system on the 04's will be minimal. Somewhere around 1.6hp. If that is the case I think I will save the cash and stick with the bolt on/ slip on.

WSprtuaL said:My local shop told me that the hp/trq gains with a full system on the 04's will be minimal. Somewhere around 1.6hp. If that is the case I think I will save the cash and stick with the bolt on/ slip on.



Your local shop are morons. Does this look like 1.6hp?

http://www.satoracing.com/gsxr600fullg.jpg

I would say there is more to gain with a full system on the 04 600 then the 01 600.

Not true. According to Pipecity and TBR, the flange on the '04 is different by like 5 degrees. Dumb, I know, but different. The '04 TBR bolt ons are now available. Mine is supposed to arrive tomorrow.

antonio said:

WSprtuaL said:My local shop told me that the hp/trq gains with a full system on the 04's will be minimal. Somewhere around 1.6hp. If that is the case I think I will save the cash and stick with the bolt on/ slip on.



Your local shop are morons. Does this look like 1.6hp?

http://www.satoracing.com/gsxr600fullg.jpg

I would say there is more to gain with a full system on the 04 600 then the 01 600.

I said the same thing and showed them the print out of the dyno. But he was insistant on it. Figured I would throw it out there and see what everyone thought.

I went with a full system mostly because the stock pipe height looks like crap and I prefer a sligtly higher mount

does anyone know when the yoshi tri oval kit comes out for the 04 6!?

http://www.terra-powersports.com/categor...p;mfr=Yoshimura (http://www.terra-powersports.com/category.aspx?cat=16&makeid=3&make=Suzuki&modelid= 13&model=GSX-R+600&yearid=24&year=2004&mfrid=168&mfr=Yoshimura)

Hope this link works. It looks like the Yoshimura stuff is out according to this dealer.

they just have the slip ons, not full...thanks!

Ok im pretty pissed. My dealer said my Yosh Trs CF pipe is on backorder for two weeks. Bullshit or not?

i have a bolt on trs carbon im selling only 15 miles on it perfect conidtion used was on bike when i bought it...

01_04GIXXERS said:
i have a bolt on trs carbon im selling only 15 miles on it perfect conidtion used was on bike when i bought it...


How much? Btw I live in Canada ehhhh!

Just to let everyone know on friday I just had a Yosh TRS bolt on put on my 04 600. And It made a hell of a difference. My rpms are climbimg alot faster now. I bought it about a month ago it has been on back order for for a few weeks now. But now I have it and im very satisfied. I was thinking about getting a full system but the mechanic told me that the bottom line is, if your not racing it on a track then its not worth the money.

do you have any pics?

Well i dont know what it will do for performance but i have a hotbodies undertail exhaust on order for my new 600 the kit comes with everything from can to turn signals for only around 725.00
here is link in case you havnt seen it yet

JUST SO YOU KNOW IN CASE YOU WANT TO ORDER DELAY TIME IS END OF MAY BEFORE SHIPPING FROM WHAT TOLD FROM MY DEALER

http://www.hotbodiesracing.com/undertail_exhaust.php4

Chace said:
I was thinking about getting a full system but the mechanic told me that the bottom line is, if your not racing it on a track then its not worth the money.



what about power commanders, no racing mean no use or does everyone think its still worth it?

jefflambert18 said:

Chace said:
I was thinking about getting a full system but the mechanic told me that the bottom line is, if your not racing it on a track then its not worth the money.



what about power commanders, no racing mean no use or does everyone think its still worth it?



For me full system and PC are userful on the street. I don't *need* the extra power but that doesn't say it's not nice to have.

+1, but a bolt-on with a pc will suffice.... almost ordered this morning... stayed my hand though...