Heard ya'll referencing it in the "cutting" thread... so what it all about? Is it like an ephedra type thing, or something completely different.

Just curious. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

This is a qoute.....
..."The substance Clenbuterol hydrochloride is also available in various other forms of administration, including syrups, drops, liquids, dosing aerosols, injectable solutions, and granules. Since athletes usually prefer tablets, manufacturers and trade names- offering this oral version are listed.

Clenbuterol is a very interesting and remarkable compound. It is not a steroid hormone but a beta-2-symphatomimetic. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass. A further aspect of Clenbuterol is its distinct fat-burning effect. Clenbuterol burns fat without dieting because it increases the body temperature slightly, forcing the body to burn fat for this process. Due to the higher body temperature Clenbuterol magnifies the effect of anabolic/androgenic steroids taken simultaneously, since the protein processing is increased.

Athletes usually take 5-7 tablets, 100-140 mcg per day For women 80-100 mcg/day are usually sufficient, It is important that the athlete begin by taking only one tablet on the first day and then increasing the dosage by one tablet each of the following days until the desired maximum dosage is reached. The compound is usually taken over a period of 8-10 weeks. Since Clenbuterol is not a hormone compound it has no side effects typical of anabolic steroids. For this reason it is also liked by women. Possible side effects of Clenbuterol include restlessness, palpitations, tremor (involuntary trembling of fingers), headache, increased perspiration, insomnia, possible muscle spasms, increased blood pressure, and nausea. Note that these side effects are of a temporary nature and usually subside after 8-10 days, despite continuation of the product. In the meantime, Clenbuterol is well distributed on the black market and costs between $0.70 and $1.20 per 0.02 mg tablet.".....

Oldgixxer's disclaimer....
I do not condone or condemn use of this product,just passing along info thats all...... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

cool... thanks for the info. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

i wasn't planing on using the stuff, just curious because I'd never heard of it before. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i'm a skinny mo-fo now anyway... If I didn't eat 8-10 meals a day I'd think I was anerexic(sp) or something. lol just got a small frame i guess. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Speaking of being skinny... I'm about to start another thread I need some advice on. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sounds very much like Ephedra. Other than the side effects listed, any other Side effects..like people dropping dead from this stuff?

And it is a Legal, or Illegal Substance? (I would imagine Illegal since your post said on the black market, and I'm sure there would be alot more info on it if it was legal)

Moss said:

Sounds very much like Ephedra. Other than the side effects listed, any other Side effects..like people dropping dead from this stuff?

And it is a Legal, or Illegal Substance? (I would imagine Illegal since your post said on the black market, and I'm sure there would be alot more info on it if it was legal)



well,, its a script for asthmatics(sp)..

Isn't that similar to what HMB does? Keep your body from breaking down protein?

BLK03GSXR said:
Isn't that similar to what HMB does? Keep your body from breaking down protein?



you want to break down protein or sythesize is,, catabolize is breaking down muscle tissue and using it for fuel

Damn man,I thought that desdription was pretty umm,DESCRIPTIVE.

Clen is used by bodybuliders to burn fat.You can pretty much keep your calories high and still burn fat.Shit,your core temperature is elevated(mine usually gets to be 102 on 7 tabs a day)and you burn fat even while you sleep or sit around and do nothing(like Fiddy).It's a grey market drug,meaning you can get it but you need a script for it.It's not something for everyone though.People I know how aren't serious about dieting take it for the simple fact that you can basically eat whatever you want to some degree and still lose weight.Meaning if your dieting and you decide to cheat 3 days a week,you'll pretty much not lose any weight,but you won't gain any either.

Originally a perscription drug for athsma(not avail in the U.S. we have Albeuteral...but on the black market it is lol)...opens up the branciol(sp?) passageways...but...boudybuilders found it's use very helpful for gettin more oxygen to the muscles...cutting...raising yer BMR...all that good stuff...1/2 cup coffee...an asprin...and a couple of clen is a bodybuilders dream...

you could probably pick it up in mexico pretty easily. then again, not many are only a few hours away from the border I guess.

there are many reputable places to buy it on the web...and all domestic...better then going to mexico to purchase it.

"taken from another board"


What is Clenbuterol?

Clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist and is used in many countries as a broncodilator
for the treatment of asthma. Because of it's long half life, clenbuterol is not
FDA approved for medical use. It is a central nervous system stimulant and acts
like adrenaline. It shares many of the same side effects as other CNS stimulants
like ephedrine. Contrary to popular belief, Clenbuterol has a half life of 35
hours and not 48 hours.

Dosing and Cycling

Clenbuterol comes in 20mcg tablets, although it is also available in syrup, pump
and injectable form. It's also available as a powder in some areas. Doses are
very dependent on how well the user responds to the side effects, but somewhere
in the range of 4-8 tablets per day for men and 2-4 tablets a day for women is
most common. Clenbuterol loses its thermogenic effects after around 8 weeks when
body temperature drops back to normal. Its anabolic/anti-catabolic properties
fade away at around the 18 day mark. Taking the long half life into
consideration, the most effective way of cycling clen is 2 weeks on/ 2 weeks off
for no more than 12 weeks. Ephedrine or Yohimbine can be used in the off weeks.

Clenbuterol vs Ephedrine vs DNP

Ephedrine will raise metabolic levels by about 2-3 percent and 200mg of DNP
raises metabolic levels by about 30 percent. Clenbuterol raises metabolic levels
about 10 percent and it can raise body temperature several degrees.

DNP is by far the most effective fat burner but many people will never use it
because of the risks associated with it. It also offers no anti-catabolic
benefit. Although it does have anti-catabolic effect, ephedrine's short
half-life prevents it from being all that effective.

As far as side effects, Clenbuterol's are certainly milder than DNP's, and some
would even say milder than an ECA stack. There is no ECA-style crash on
Clenbuterol and many users find it easier on the prostate and sex drive. This
may in part be due to the fact that Clen is generally used for only 2 weeks at a
time.

Side effects

NAUSEA
NERVOUSNESS
DIZZINESS
DROWSINESS
DRY MOUTH
FACIAL FLUSHING
HEADACHE
HEARTBURN
INCREASED BLOOD PRESSURE
INCREASED SWEATING
INSOMNIA
LIGHTHEADEDNESS
MUSCLE CRAMPS
TREMORS
VOMITING
CHEST PAIN

The most significant side effects are muscle cramps, nervousness, headaches, and
increased blood pressure.

Muscle cramps can be avoided by drinking 1.5-2 gallons of water and consuming
bananas and oranges or supplementing with potassium tablets at 200-400mg a
day taken before bed on an empty stomach. Taurine at 3-5grams is a necessity in
minimizing cramps.

Headaches can easily be avoided with Tylenol Extra Strength taking at the first
signs of a headache.

Common Uses

Post-Cycle Therapy: Clen is used post cycle to aid in recovery. It allows the
user to continue eating large amounts of food, without worrying about adding
body fat. It also helps the user maintain more of his strength as well as his
intensity in the gym. Diet: Roughly the same as on cycle.

Fat loss: The most popular use for Clen, it also increases muscle hardness,
vascularity, strength and size on a caloric deficit. For the most significant
fat loss, Clen can be stacked with T3. Diet: A high protein(1.5g per lb of
bodyweight), moderate carb(0.5g to 1g per lb of bodyweight), low fat diet(0.25g
per lb of bodyweight) seems to work best with Clen.

Alternative to Steroids: Clenbuterol has mild steroid-like properties and can be
used by non-AS using bodybuilder to increase LBM as well as strength and muscle
hardness. Diet: A moderate carb, high protein, moderate fat diet work well.

Stimulant/Performance Enhancement: It can be used as a stimulant, but an ECA
stack may be a better choice because of it's much shorter half-life. Diet: To
take full advantage of the stimulatory effects of Clen, carbohydrates must be
included in the diet. Ketogenic diets do not work well in this case.

Precautions: Is Clen for you?

The same precautions that apply to Ephedrine must be applied to Clen, although
some people find ECA stacks are harsher than Clen. It should not be stacked
with other CNS stimulants such as Ephedrine and Yohimbine. These combinations
are unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Caffeine can be used in moderation
before a workout for an extra quick. burst of energy.

A word on Ketotifen

Ketotifen is safe antihistamine used extensively some European countries to
treat asthma and allergies. It can up regulate beta-2-receptors that Clen down
regulates. Basically, it allows users to extend their use of Clen for 6-8 weeks
at a time. 2-3mg a day is ideal, 10mg as found in "superclen" can make users
extremely drowsy. It also increases the effectiveness of Clen so doses must be
adjusted accordingly. The downfall of this drug is its ability to induce
extreme hunger is some people, which is not a desirable state to be in when
dieting.

Cycling Clenbuterol

Most users that report bad side effects and discontinue use are those who use
high doses right at the start of the cycle. The worst side effects occur within
the first 3-4 days of use.

A first time user should not exceed 40mcg the first day. Increase by one tab
until the side effects are not tolerable

Example of a first cycle:

Day1: 20mcg
Day2: 40mcg
Day3: 60mcg
Day4: 80mcg
Day5: 80mcg(Note: Increase the dose only when the side effects are tolerable)
Day6-Day12: 100mcg
Day13: 80 mcg (Tapering is not necessary, but it helps some users get back to
normal gradually)
Day14: 60 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

Example of a second cycle:

Day1: 60mcg
Day2: 80mcg
Day3: 80mcg
Day4: 100mcg
Day5: 100mcg
Day6-Day12: 120mcg
Day13: 100 mcg
Day14: 80 mcgs
Day15: off
Day16: off
Day 17: ECA/ NYC stack

What else do I need to know?

Taurine MUST be used with Clen at 3-5g daily. Clenbuterol depletes taurine
levels in the liver which stops the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver.
Taurine allows the user to avoid the dreaded rebound effect and painful muscle
cramps. It's a must with Clen.

Clenbuterol should not be taken too close to a workout. It can interfere with
your breathing and complete ruin your workout. When doing cardio, it's
advisable to stay at a consistent pace and avoid HIIT style routines.

Do not take Clen Past 4pm and drink plenty of water; 1.5-2 gallons a day.

I got to get me some of that.
Axe

so whats the difference from the stuff you get at the doctors or something you buy (ie. VPX's clenbutrex):?

The difference is that one is prescription only(works) and the other is bought at a supplement store(does not work).

Clenbuterol is illegal for the simple fact that it can be potentially lethal in the hands of a ham-fisted amatuer who doesn't know wtf they're doing.

think of it this way:if you've ever done an E.C.A. stack,you know how wired you get.That lasts for a couple of hours then wears off.Clenbuterol's active half-life is measured in DAYS,not hours.Think of the consequences of that if you fuck up.....

Stay away from it unless you know what your doing or plan on competing in a bodybuliding contest...it's a waste for a weekend warrior.

go here...
http://www.clenbuterol.com/
http://www.mesomorphosis.com/steroid-profiles/clenbuterol.htm
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/background/clenbute.htm
and finally....here
http://www.drmirkin.com/archive/6570.html
clen is basically a waste IMHO. If you're gonna dive into bodybuilding, make a career of it, then take Winny..otherwise, you're wasting your time on clen.

better off to get your diet and cardio in check before considering anything else....you will be surprised at hom much weight you lose in your first month....

Bigtime 73 said:
clen is basically a waste IMHO. If you're gonna dive into bodybuilding, make a career of it, then take Winny..otherwise, you're wasting your time on clen.



I'm gonna have to disagree with ya on that one...it's gonna take more than Winny to get that extra crispness...especially for people like me who are carb sensitive...it also helps keep ya going, especially during the ruffest times of depletion...

Bigtime 73 said:

clen is basically a waste IMHO. If you're gonna dive into bodybuilding, make a career of it, then take Winny..otherwise, you're wasting your time on clen.



Winny does nothing as far as being a thermogenic agent,like Clen is.And you wouldn't take Clen to build mass,so I don't really know what you meant by that....

And if your gonna dive into bodybuildiing,we both know there are drugs 110% better to use then Winstrol...

OldGixxer and 1Qwik,

let me satrt by saying that I don't suggest steroids or the use of clen by the untrained weekend warrrior. yes there are much better "ripping", cutting drugs than winny alone. I have not hit the books for quite some time on the use of them. I was suggesting that if someone were to use clen as a cutting agent then they should have use winstrol instead, IF they decided to go that route!.. before I get started, I am at work , I dont have much time to respond or work a paper on the findings of clen vs. steroids.
Any of the following are "cutting" drugs
-Equipoise - Boldabol
-Masteron - Mastabol
-Primobolan Depot
-Trenabol - Parabolan
and - Winstrol Depot
all of these can be used

And if you're looking for fat loss I'd suggest using Clenbuterol & Cytomel T-3.

If someone is to build mass Naturally, thats a whole different thread in itself, I had a friend who took clen 1qwik, he had to go to the doctor b/c of chest pains...he was 19 Y.O. w/ no family history of medical conditions relating to the heart.

I'l take your questions now...;)

Bigtime,
I know what your saying bro,BUT....when it's time for to diet down I don't consider Winstrol to help burn any fat,thats what I rely on T3 and clen for.Thats what clen does best.Thats the point I was trying to convey.There really is no comparison between the two,one is a anabolic and class 3 controlled substance(winstrol),the other is an Asthma medication(clen)I'm sure were on the same track,but maybe just got confused with the responses.
Trust me,I don't need you to work a paper to educate me on clen or winstrol or what to use to cut,etc,I can hold my own on this topic just fine http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Oh,and just so you know,Masteron/Permastril is no longer made,and hasn't been for awhile http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gifSame thing with Parabolan(trenbolone depot)Trenbolone acetate is all thats left(Finaplix)but ya gotta brew it yourself...

And just to clear this up for anybody else reading it,don't get confused by the term "cutting" drugs.You will not get "cut" if you run these.What it means (and I'm sure Biggy will agree)is that these drugs will allow you to be as shredded as possible due to the fact that they do not make your body retain water,which gives you a smooth appearence.But in order for any of them to work to there full potential(for cutting/contest prep),you have to be on a strict diet and know wtf your doing.
In a nut shell,if your fat,taking any of the above mentioned gear will not get you ripped.Period.It ain't happenin....


And if you re-read my post on the first page,I pretty much told everyone not to use clen anyway... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

1qwik6,jump in anytime bro....

Bigtime 73 said:
I had a friend who took clen 1qwik, he had to go to the doctor b/c of chest pains...he was 19 Y.O. w/ no family history of medical conditions relating to the heart.





REal qwik before I leave work...

Heres the thing though...chest pains is a common side effect with clen...I mean the way it raises the heart rate how could it not...not saying everyone will experience it but it can happen...to the point where one can have an anxiety attack...clen is definatly not a drug to be taken lightly. And unless one is going for a Teen Title or is in training for a highly endurance sport...a 19 year old shouldn't be taking it...gear you mentioned like EQ are not gonna burn fat persay...but moreso are fast acting oil base which help harden the muscle...retains alot less water as something like Omnadren. ...

so what did the doctor have to say about your chest pains/just a side?were you doing streenious activity durign the time it started happening?doing cardio or intense workout?

oldgixxer said:


Oh,and just so you know,Masteron/Permastril is no longer made,and hasn't been for awhile http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gifSame thing with Parabolan(trenbolone depot)Trenbolone acetate is all thats left(Finaplix)but ya gotta brew it yourself...

And just to clear this up for anybody else reading it,don't get confused by the term "cutting" drugs.You will not get "cut" if you run these.What it means (and I'm sure Biggy will agree)is that these drugs will allow you to be as shredded as possible due to the fact that they do not make your body retain water,which gives you a smooth appearence.But in order for any of them to work to there full potential(for cutting/contest prep),you have to be on a strict diet and know wtf your doing.
In a nut shell,if your fat,taking any of the above mentioned gear will not get you ripped.Period.It ain't happenin....




Old G I do agree with you here. Like u said, it's a matter of misunderstanding of the typing more than anything, I am sure if we were all sitting and hangin out, we'd be in agreement for sure. Tghe drugs I mentioned were what was made available not what "is" available. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Thanks for clarifying though. I am at work and can't spend much time tyoing with smiley faces to choose from to stick in my posts with my boss looking at my PC from his desk. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif. anyway...good stuff in this forum. I like it. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

og there is still Dromastanolone Di-propionate by british dragon http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Hayez,that B.D. stuff from Thailand SUCKS!!! Ever run the green dragon drols? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gifThere was nothing like the old Permastril from Portugal to get fuggin shredded 6 weeks out...I think I still have a few amps layin around somewhere http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

nope havnt...i cant do anything like that my skin is to sensitive...i look like a pizza off it...lol..gettign ready to start something nice though...counting down the days...lol

hayez said:
nope havnt...i cant do anything like that my skin is to sensitive...i look like a pizza off it...lol..gettign ready to start something nice though...counting down the days...lol



You coulda had an alergic reaction or picked up some dirty gear(like with Omnadren, the saitation laws in Poland are not as strict and theres been traces of rat droppings found in it)...if you picked up some pure, clean gear I'm sure you'd be fine...I know I'm alergic to Testaviron...I break out in dime sized welts if I take it...

1qwik6? said:

hayez said:
nope havnt...i cant do anything like that my skin is to sensitive...i look like a pizza off it...lol..gettign ready to start something nice though...counting down the days...lol



You coulda had an alergic reaction or picked up some dirty gear(like with Omnadren, the saitation laws in Poland are not as strict and theres been traces of rat droppings found in it)...if you picked up some pure, clean gear I'm sure you'd be fine...I know I'm alergic to Testaviron...I break out in dime sized welts if I take it...



Do you break out from all Enanthanate,or just the Testo?Thats weird.....

I remember you telling me that about the Omna's,but I never had a problem.Maybe it was just a bad lot?
Mmm,Omna's e/o/d kick ass.... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
(hypothetically speaking of course)

if I was looking to buy Clen, can someone PM me as to the location of a secure place to get it. Thanks ahead of time. I would like to do some research on my own and i have yet to even find a place to get it.

Your better off researching first and getting your diet and cardio in check first...clen should used as a last resort...if even used at all..once you learn enough about it im sure you will have no problme finding it

i do cardio 3 days/week and i lift 3days/week. i have a decent diet but i'm looking for a little help in the stomach area and cutting some body fat. i was just asking for a site, no advice. no offense to anyone though.

i was just letting you know that its not worth it unless you have your diet and cardio perfect...no sense in putting your body thu that if you are eatign the wrong kid of foods.

Do a search on Google

So...Will clen stop me from losing muscle while dieting or is it something that burns fat or both?

PHISH said:
So...Will clen stop me from losing muscle while dieting or is it something that burns fat or both?



just read up on the sites posted.. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I have... throughly.
There isn't a clear definiton for my question.

PHISH said:
I have... throughly.
There isn't a clear definiton for my question.



qutoing a quote..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif see told you to read http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


oldgixxer said:
This is a qoute.....

Clenbuterol is a very interesting and remarkable compound. It is not a steroid hormone but a beta-2-symphatomimetic. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass.

Oldgixxer's disclaimer....
I do not condone or condemn use of this product,just passing along info thats all...... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

If your loosing muscle, your doin something wrong...or did I miss something?

Fiddy_Ryder said:

PHISH said:
I have... throughly.
There isn't a clear definiton for my question.



qutoing a quote..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif see told you to read http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


oldgixxer said:
This is a qoute.....

Clenbuterol is a very interesting and remarkable compound. It is not a steroid hormone but a beta-2-symphatomimetic. Clenbuterol, above all, has a strong anti-catabolic effect, which means it decreases the rate at which protein is reduced in the muscle cell, consequently causing an enlargement of muscle cells. For this reason, numerous athletes use Clenbuterol after steroid treatment to balance the resulting catabolic phase and thus obtain maximum strength and muscle mass.

Oldgixxer's disclaimer....
I do not condone or condemn use of this product,just passing along info thats all...... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif





Now that I read that, I understand a little better. Thanks
PIMP http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gifPHISH


1qwik6? said:
If your loosing muscle, your doin something wrong...or did I miss something?



I was talking about when you start to lean out or eat stricter, you feel like your shrinking.
Its a fuggen addiction http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

PHISH,clen really won't eat up your muscle.It likes to burn fat and carbs before any protein in a real basic layman sort of explanation.Just think of it as a ECA stack,but alot more potent,and not as frazziling on your nervous system.It's alot more efficient as well.

But what it really helps with as 1qwik6? may agree with,is it helps "open" your receptors if they've been flooded with exogenous testosterone,etc,etc,

thanks bud.

oldgixxer said:
But what it really helps with as 1qwik6? may agree with,is it helps "open" your receptors if they've been flooded with exogenous testosterone,etc,etc,



Open and receptor in the same sentence http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

oldgixxer said:
But what it really helps with as 1qwik6? may agree with,is it helps "open" your receptors if they've been flooded with exogenous testosterone,etc,etc,



what will open receptor help with?

soysauce021 said:

oldgixxer said:
But what it really helps with as 1qwik6? may agree with,is it helps "open" your receptors if they've been flooded with exogenous testosterone,etc,etc,



what will open receptor help with?



With suplimentation there is only so much the body can use...your receptors is what draws everything in...but..they can fill up...picture the hoover dam...holding back all that water...then picture opening the flood gates...

1qwik6? said:

soysauce021 said:

oldgixxer said:
But what it really helps with as 1qwik6? may agree with,is it helps "open" your receptors if they've been flooded with exogenous testosterone,etc,etc,



what will open receptor help with?



With suplimentation there is only so much the body can use...your receptors is what draws everything in...but..they can fill up...picture the hoover dam...holding back all that water...then picture opening the flood gates...



Kinda like your balls from not having sex after the baby came home,hahahahahaaa http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/spit.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

oldgixxer said:

1qwik6? said:

soysauce021 said:

oldgixxer said:
But what it really helps with as 1qwik6? may agree with,is it helps "open" your receptors if they've been flooded with exogenous testosterone,etc,etc,



what will open receptor help with?



With suplimentation there is only so much the body can use...your receptors is what draws everything in...but..they can fill up...picture the hoover dam...holding back all that water...then picture opening the flood gates...



Kinda like your balls from not having sex after the baby came home,hahahahahaaa http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/spit.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Oh I get taken care of...no issues there http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

oldgixxer said:

1qwik6? said:

soysauce021 said:

oldgixxer said:
But what it really helps with as 1qwik6? may agree with,is it helps "open" your receptors if they've been flooded with exogenous testosterone,etc,etc,



what will open receptor help with?



With suplimentation there is only so much the body can use...your receptors is what draws everything in...but..they can fill up...picture the hoover dam...holding back all that water...then picture opening the flood gates...



Kinda like your balls from not having sex after the baby came home,hahahahahaaa http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/spit.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif



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oldgixxer said:

1qwik6? said:

hayez said:
nope havnt...i cant do anything like that my skin is to sensitive...i look like a pizza off it...lol..gettign ready to start something nice though...counting down the days...lol



You coulda had an alergic reaction or picked up some dirty gear(like with Omnadren, the saitation laws in Poland are not as strict and theres been traces of rat droppings found in it)...if you picked up some pure, clean gear I'm sure you'd be fine...I know I'm alergic to Testaviron...I break out in dime sized welts if I take it...



Do you break out from all Enanthanate,or just the Testo?Thats weird.....

I remember you telling me that about the Omna's,but I never had a problem.Maybe it was just a bad lot?
Mmm,Omna's e/o/d kick ass.... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
(hypothetically speaking of course)



Omna's never made me break out either, I didn't even retain much water with it. Did make me put a hole in my womans back though. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

weird you guys are takling baout this...i was actually considerign a mild cycle and i am kida in the air about it....it would be qv enen250mgweek and qv deca300mg week for 10 weeks...i alresady get acne and i can keep it pretty much under control but im scared to try anything other then var or primo...what you guys think?

I would definitely run the T250 w/ Deca,thats a great great basic mass cycle.How many mg's of T are you planning on running?

Acne should be in check if your running a good anti-E with it too.But we already had that conversation,didn't we http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gifPM me if you need more info...........

ya see im kinda undecided what i want to do....i want to run my var primo but i have alot fo bills and i would rather save that for after summer when ill have more money...im thinking maybe something mild like test prop 50mg eod deca 300ew...then if my sides start acting up real bad ill be bale to quit and hope the sides calnm down..i would like to do the enan just because i knwo it will do a little better in gains,,,but i think prop may be the best choise incase my acne falirs up i can just quit without it being long in my body...im debating what to do....lol....i think im just getting impatient...lol...and being heap....300 vs 1600 lol 300 is lookng mighty fine right now...lol...im so broke

if i did the enan it would only be 250 a week...i would rather be small then have acne scars all over my body...honestly the only thing i have ever heard from test users is nightmares with acne...or else there just lucky and there hair falls out...lololololololol

It is ages since I used clen. It was the rage in the '80's. Being a "research" kind of guy I did my homework beforehand. From what I remember clen is a beta-blocker. When you break down muscle tisssue in a workout your body has a self-defense mechanism to counter the damage. It releases something (like cortisol???) that occupies receptor sites in the tissue or wherever. The clen competes with this substance for the sites to stop it from working. Think of it like musical chairs. The clen muscles it's way in to stop the body's defense system.
Clen is great while it lasts. The problem is that it quickly wears out it's welcome with the receptor site "community" so to speak and is rendered ineffective.
Like oldgixxer says, it also has an enormous thermogenic effect. I was a mess on it though. Hyper, shaky as hell, heart pounding, and sweating like I was in a sauna. I had friends that experienced no discomfort whatsoever. OTOH, I never knew anyone at all who used it and didn't rave about what it delivered.