Alright so Im gonna start taking Cell-Tech and have a couple of questions on it. I wanna know if skipping days when on the cycle will affect its effects. For example, Im gonna be hitting the gym on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Fridays. And I was planning to take half a serving before and after working out but not taking any on my non-workout days, also, taking it 6 weeks on and 4 weeks off. Besides that I will be drinking a protein shake in the morning and a protein bar at lunch and after workout (no shakes after morning because I go to work and to the gym right after work). Im really trying to gain mass, not trying to gain 5 pounds a month or anything but I am trying to gain. Any advice is appreciated.

Just for reference Im 6'1 and 145lbs barely any fat and dont eat a lot, which is changing cause Im on 5 meals a day with a goal of 280grams of Carbs and 140grams of Protein a day. Well, give me some feedback. Thanks for your time. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

If I remember correctly when I was taking cell tech, you still have to take it on your off days (I think it was early in the morning when you wake up). As far as keeping it on your off days I'm not sure if it would have any affect. When I took it I never did the loading phase, because I was worried about blotting and too much water weight. So I just did the maintenance, got good results it just took alittle longer and I did it for nine weeks instead of the 8.

I was taking CellTech and MesoTech after workouts, did the reg NitroTech with and for meals. Just got tired of the after taste of the NitroTech, so I stopped using it. I can't wait to see what MuscleTechs new MRP (MesoTech) is like when it comes out in March I think.

After I was done with my 9 week on cycle I started using TRAC after 1 week off. TRAC helped me maintain what I've gained with out the suger and the water weight. Some people didn't like the TRAC because it didn't give you the same results as reg. creatine.

I tried that ATP stuff, did nothing for me. But this one guy at the gym swear by it.

Right now I just want to get tone slim down. Then I'll do the Creatine thing again.

Stuff that helped me gain mass was 1-AD, Creatine, NoX2, and Protein.

That 1-AD stuff is no joke, I was a mad man with the weights - and to tell you the truth I think it helped me break my 315 bench mark.

Did you already buy the cell tech?? My opinion here but not very good creatine at all.. Way overpriced and way too much sugar.. It has something like 75grams of sugar which is a lot..
But ya you need to take it everyday. I know a lot of people that take 5 grams before and 5 grams after.. And only take 5 grams on non workout days. You usually use the creatine in your muscles from taking it before.
olly

Yea, I bought it cause I had heard nothing but good things. I also, bought Muscle Milk since Im tired of Myoplex and I love those Detour bars. So ummm, yea there is 10 grams of creatine per serving so Im planning to split that for before and after workout. Im not planning to load up either, just do the maintenance. So how long should my cycle be then? I dont wanna retain so much water that when I get off of it I will lose noticeable strength and weight.

Some people do cycles.. Some dont.. I personally have been on it for a while. Most people dont really load, but a lot do.. I dont.. Justs take a tad longer to get into your system but I dont think its worth loading.

No offense at all but im suprised all you heard is good things.. there is no doubt that it works as well as other creatines. Im on a bodybuilding forum and no one recomends it on that site.. mostly because of price and the amount of sugar in it.

But its common to lose some strength with it. Also you will lose water weight.. Most say around 5lbs of water weight usually around there or less.. But thats if you were on it for a while.. You hold onto extra water and after your done it gets rid of the water..

If your interested in learning more about creatine here is a link to a really good creainte post about how/when/why to take it..
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100831
olly

Damn, should have read that before. Thanks, for the info. I think I've decided to load up also since I want to gain as soon as possible. Well, no turning back with Cell-Tech, everyone that used it said the shit works so it better http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif. Late.

well hopefully the link was helpfull man..
Its not that cell tech doesnt work.. Just that the price is High, and bodybuilders dont like it much cause of the high sugar content..
Good luck man. Hope it goes well.
olly

What is peoples Opion on using Creatine for Cutting up? I don't really mind getting heavier, but I want to get more lean. I know I will gain some water weight, and that doesn't bug me. I'm not lifting heavy right now, but was wondering if I went on a Cycle for say 6 weeks, and then stopped, if that would benefit me in leaning out?

the added water bloats you.. youll lose definition due to water retention.. if you wanna get ripped creatine is not what you want...

Fiddy_Ryder said:
the added water bloats you.. youll lose definition due to water retention.. if you wanna get ripped creatine is not what you want...



Yah that I'm aware of, but i still have a good 20lbs of Fat to loose yet anyways..And that will take me around 10 weeks if I stay on track, and don't hit any plateau's. So What I'm wondering is, will it help in shedding Fat for say 6 weeks, and then come off it for the last 4-6 Weeks. And I'm not looking to be ripped really, well in the long run sure, but right now I'd be happy with a Flat tummy and no damn LUVVVV Handles http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

But if its not really a good way to help loose Fat, and retain Muscle I'll just skip it, and keep up with my current Program. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Moss said:

Fiddy_Ryder said:
the added water bloats you.. youll lose definition due to water retention.. if you wanna get ripped creatine is not what you want...



Yah that I'm aware of, but i still have a good 20lbs of Fat to loose yet anyways..And that will take me around 10 weeks if I stay on track, and don't hit any plateau's. So What I'm wondering is, will it help in shedding Fat for say 6 weeks, and then come off it for the last 4-6 Weeks. And I'm not looking to be ripped really, well in the long run sure, but right now I'd be happy with a Flat tummy and no damn LUVVVV Handles http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

But if its not really a good way to help loose Fat, and retain Muscle I'll just skip it, and keep up with my current Program. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif



from my limited knowledge... creatine can help with performance and breaking plateaus... it will help up your strength and weight.. work harder you burn more calories.. seeing as creatine doenst make you fat, but put on water weight.. it should help in shedding the lbs a bit faster than normal.. makes sense??? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Fiddy_Ryder said:

from my limited knowledge... creatine can help with performance and breaking plateaus... it will help up your strength and weight.. work harder you burn more calories.. seeing as creatine doenst make you fat, but put on water weight.. it should help in shedding the lbs a bit faster than normal.. makes sense??? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif




Thats what I was thinking. Since it helps increase performance, I may be able to push abit harder, and burn more calories, and since it helps increase water in the mucsles, I think that I would also have a higher Metabolism because of that increase..??

Ya you will have extra water retention on Creatine.. But if you dont care about that then its ok. I looked at a lot of posts on the topic and many people include creatine in the cutting cycle. More of the competition people seem to drop it because of the water weight.. Im gonna keep it in my diet when I start to cut and see what happens..
olly

Also, I was thinking. People complain about Cell-Tech having too much sugar but if you get any other type of creatine and mix it w/ lets say grape juice you'll probably end up taking more sugar than Cell-Tech with water. Anyway, finished the loading phase yesterday, started the maintenance and felt like I could do more reps and more weight today at the gym. So I guess thats good. I also have a question about steroids but dont wanna start a new topic. What are your opinions on Winstrol? Im not considering it but a buddy of mine is and Im trying to steer him away eventhough I dont know crap about it, Winstrol in particular. Thanks

l600l said: I also have a question about steroids but dont wanna start a new topic. What are your opinions on Winstrol? Im not considering it but a buddy of mine is and Im trying to steer him away eventhough I dont know crap about it, Winstrol in particular. Thanks



Winstrol is a great drug for a specific purpose.Very briefly(I can go into details if you start a new topic)Unless your buddy is on a strict calorie/low sodium diet and is pretty lean already,he'll most likely see unfavorable gains taking it by itself.It has the potential to make a dramatic difference in your physique,but unless your lean you'll be disapointed.

However,if your lean you can expect a noticeable "hardening" of your muscles.You'll be able to maintain some strength while dieting but you'll have a much "fuller" look and start to become more vascular.

Plan on injecting 50mg eod(every other day) for a minimum of 6 weeks in order to see signifigant gains in hardness.This comes from the fact that Winstrol doesn't retain any water and doesn't give you any "bloat" like other Androgens.The side effects are virtually none,some say it does shut down natural testosterone production,however I disagree.

How many calories are in the serving of celltech?? For me if I use creantine (optimum Nutrition) and put it in the post workout shake. Thats just the way I take it, lot of people recomend doing that, but some dont.. That is 0 extra calories. If Iwere to take it with grape juice I would probably use 1/2 glass which I think maybe about 20grams of sugar.. Not 100% on that, dont have any on hand.. Wasnt cell-tech 75grams or am I off?
olly

Ummm...yea I think so Im at work so cant really look at it and Im too lazy to search around. Well, I dont know if its the creatine but Im progressing much better than I use to when I used to workout a couple of years back. Also, with the Optimum (sp?) do you get that burning sensation in your throat, I know Cell-Tech has that effect and I hate it. Thanks.

Nope no burning sensation from Optimum Nutritions creatine for me at least..

Are you drinking enough water? That may have a small effect on it.. Does the burning sensation last all day or just when drinking it, or for a bit afterwords or what?

Just looked it up.. If you do the serving size (2 scoops, 10 grams creatine) it is 300 calories. So even if you took it with a whole glass of grape juice it would only be 140-160 calories.

If you do the loading phase of Cell tech you probably just sucessfully added 1/2lb of fat or maybe little more.. Forget what they recomend but most say around 25 grams for the 1st week. So 750 extra calories a day from mostly sugar would lead to fat..

It probably isnt that bad if you take it once or even the 5grams instead of 10..

Good friend of mine buys the stuff to and I cant talk him out of it.. haha.. what can u do..

Good luck with you lifting and that..
olly

cell tech blows from what i hear, you have all talked about the sugar. Get MHP TRAC. stuff mixes with water and tastes really good and sugars = 0

Yea MHP trac was what i used on my last cycle of creatine...no bloating and no sugar http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif Now im on V12 and i really like it, theres not a big amount of creatine per serving so i think i might add some creatine monohydrate to my list!

In my personal experience of using Cell-Tech is that it gave me an extra rep and in some cases, TWO extra reps on every set. That translates to some serious gain over a few months. I began taking it on the word of another guy who hit a plateau on flat bench and couldn't move past 345lbs single rep. He began Cell-Tech and ended up gaining another 20lbs in less then a month and got small stretch marks near his arm pit/shoulder are. That was good enough for me so I tried it and I love the stuff. Everyone who has taken it says the same thing. Until reading this post, I have never heard any negativity on it.

Its not that cell-tech doesnt work, its just that there are about 100 different options that are better then cell-tech. Main 2 reasons why it isnt very good supplement is the outragious price and second is the 75grams of sugar..

No offense but it seems that anyone that is not serious about lifting uses cell-tech, main reason is they see these glorified adds and think it must be good.. If you go on a bodybuilding site were people are really into lifting/bodybuiding 99% of the people say its crap. Because most of them wouldnt put a can of soda in there body let alone 2x as much sugar from cell-tech..
olly

If you go into a shop to buy cell-tech, yes it is expensive. You can buy a 7lb container for $44 online. When I bought mine, I got a 4.3lb container for $50 and that was discounted and the lowest price in town.

As far as the sugar goes, your body needs sugar for insulin levels to process the creatin as well as your protein. So, sugars aren't all bad. I won't to pretend to know as much as body builders, but this stuff is far from garbage. I have NEVER seen an add for this stuff and am going on some advice from some pretty large guys who say it is great and from my own results.

Well, Im down to the last servings and ordering more of it. Ive gained 3 pounds in 3 and a half weeks. I dont mind too much about the fat since Im pretty skinny and trying to bulk up. Oh yeah, about the burning sensation it stays for a bit but I usually drink a glass of water right after I chug the creatine. Its just the thought of it disgusts me when Im mixing that shit. Well, thanks for the feedback.

Jer said:
If you go into a shop to buy cell-tech, yes it is expensive. You can buy a 7lb container for $44 online. When I bought mine, I got a 4.3lb container for $50 and that was discounted and the lowest price in town.

As far as the sugar goes, your body needs sugar for insulin levels to process the creatin as well as your protein. So, sugars aren't all bad. I won't to pretend to know as much as body builders, but this stuff is far from garbage. I have NEVER seen an add for this stuff and am going on some advice from some pretty large guys who say it is great and from my own results.



Like I stated before I never said it was garbage.. Just honestly dont know of any bodybuilders that use it.. It always seems like the guy that is new or whatever.. Im on a good bodybuilding forum with tons of members and havent actually heard any of them recomend it.. Most of them think Muscletech products are crappy..

Sugars are needed to spike insulin.. But a lot of bodybuilders, like myself, use creatine MH along with protein/dextrose shake post workout.. It spikes insulin bringing the protein and creatine to the muscles faster..

Another thing, the creatine in your body is what is being used. So the stored creatine is being used when lifting, so most bodybuilders take it creatine MH with water on non workout days.. Or take it with some grape juice..

I bought 1200grams of Creatine MH for like $35 and that is 240 servings of creatine.. Compare that to the price of Cell-tech..

Look around for creatine called Swole, or SAN both are superior creatine transport supplements.. Ive seen good gains with regular old Creatine MH so ill stick with that..
olly

l600l, no offense man but the weight you gained was more then likely water.. Most people say you gain about 5lbs of water when taking creatine.. So you probably didnt really gain any muscle or fat, just water.. It takes some time to start working.. Have you ever tried Creatine MH(monohydrate)?? Ever hear creatines made by SAN, or Swole?? Ive read a bunch of reviews on both of those and most were extremely satisfied.. I havent really read any good reviews by any bodybuilders that have been at if for a while on cell-tech, most dont like it.. Ive never tried it personally, so im just going off of the reading/researching ive done..
olly

Actually I weighed myself again after writing that and Ive actually gained 6 pounds not 3 sorry. Yea I know its mostly water retention, Im not that new to lifting just to creatine but I know how it works and stuff. Well, after getting on some forums and talking to some peeps I ordered Optimum Creatine because they told me it was better to get micronized creatine plus its cheaper. Well, thanks guys.

Thats what Ive been trying to tell you all along.. haha..

Good luck with with the Optimum, thats what im using and like it.. Also if that doesnt work im sure you may have read a few good things on Swole or SAN creatine. Those are suppose to be really good alternatives as well..

Good luck with it..
olly

How can it not work? Its creatine isnt it. I mean if Cell-Tech worked (and I know it did cause I have never been able to gain 6 pounds in the amount of time that I did on normal supps) then the Optimum should work. If not then Im breaking some necks. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

Some people dont respond to it.. A lot more people say they dont respond, then the # of people that actually dont..

Mostly because of not using it correctly really.. But like any supplement, some people dont respond to certain supplements and others do.. It depends..
olly

Well.. My Cell-Tech is about to run out and I was going to order another 7lb tub tomorrow but am open to suggestions. I can order a 7lb tub for $44 and since it lasts me quite a while, seems pretty affordable to me. These better less expensive creatins you speak of.. are they something you have to mix with juice? I take my Cell-Tech to the gym and drink it after on the way home. I have read that mixing creatin with juice can cut down the potency and make it not as effective. What are you thoughts on this?

I think that Creatine mixed with citric juices F***s up the effect or something, not too sure though. Ummm...how long does the Cell-Tech last you cause it only lasted me like 3 weeks given that I did the loading phase and took it everyday like it said too. What they have told me about this Optimum is that its really good German Creatine and also that since its micronized its absorbed better and you can barely tell that youre drinking it when mixed. Also, I think you get more servings, dont remember what the back of the jug said. I bought mine for $39 shipped at DPS (http://www.dpsnutrition.net). There are different kinds of Optimum creatine though, make sure you get the micronized one. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

l600l said:
I think that Creatine mixed with citric juices F***s up the effect or something, not too sure though. Ummm...how long does the Cell-Tech last you cause it only lasted me like 3 weeks given that I did the loading phase and took it everyday like it said too. What they have told me about this Optimum is that its really good German Creatine and also that since its micronized its absorbed better and you can barely tell that youre drinking it when mixed. Also, I think you get more servings, dont remember what the back of the jug said. I bought mine for $39 shipped at DPS (http://www.dpsnutrition.net). There are different kinds of Optimum creatine though, make sure you get the micronized one. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif



If you follow the serving size listed on the back, you're taking 2x the amount that most people agree you really need... loading phase or not. I do a five day loading phase and instead of the two scoops every time you take one, just use one scoop. There is no reason that a tub will not last you two cycles (if you are doing three months on one month off) and $44 isn't too bad. I think I'll order another one as it works well for me and everyone I know has had positive results from it.

Ok first thing Id like to share is this thread.. Seriously no one I know in the bodybuilding community likes celltech for more then a few reasons. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20754&highlight=celltec h

youll get the idea after reading a few posts even though there is like over 800 replys on it..

L600l is right, german creatine is better then non German creatine.. Identified as Creapure.... So if you buy Optimum Nutritions creatine you will see the Creapure label on it..

You can take CM(creatine Monohydrate) with water, but Juice is better.. But only if its non ACIDIC, so grape juice is the best choice for taking it.. Ive read that taking creatine with some type of sugar(grape juice is natural sugar usually) absorbs better..

Personally I bought the ON CM and its 1200grams, so that is 240 servings and I paid $35. Compare that to the cell-tech..

If your looking around, companies like SAN, Swole have 2 good creatine delivery systems that are far better then Cell-tech.

You are not supose to gain muscle from creatine technically right away, it 1st holds onto more water in the muscles then slowly can add muscle, improve recovery, down the road.. I dont know any bodybuiler that would drink 2 cans of Mountain Dew a day which is about egual to 1 recomended serving of Celltech, thats why no real bodybuiler uses the stuff.. They use cheap creatine, and add sugar to drive the creatine into the muscles, does it do the job? Yes, does it/can it make you fat? Yes..

Personally, I take creatine in water or in a protein shake on non workout days(sometimes juice if I have it)
On workout days I take it post workout with whey, dextrose, and creatine..

If you take Cell-tech at half the recomended dose you would get 64servings..

So celltech vs my choice (ON) servings/price
cell-tech 64/$44
ON 240/$35

Just my opinion and info I have.. Any other ?'s I can try to help you out.. Just hate to see people waste money on Cell-tech when there are far better options..
olly

Sorry for the long post.. But just check out the thread I linked in the above post and read the 1st page..

You'll understand where im coming from.
Thanks
olly

olly said:

So celltech vs my choice (ON) servings/price
cell-tech 64/$44
ON 240/$35

Just my opinion and info I have.. Any other ?'s I can try to help you out.. Just hate to see people waste money on Cell-tech when there are far better options..
olly



You hate to see anyone waste money? Where was this post three days ago before I ordered my Cell-Tech? I was looking for ideas and nobody replied so I ordered as I was alomost out and even 'sub-par' is better then nothing. Tell me where I can order this stuff for $35 and I will order it and give it a shot.

Im gonna quote myself here.

olly said:
Its not that cell-tech doesnt work, its just that there are about 100 different options that are better then cell-tech. Main 2 reasons why it isnt very good supplement is the outragious price and second is the 75grams of sugar..
olly



That was 8 days ago.. I tried telling you. Maybe I beat around the bush too much http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I bought mine at a local store, but this is even better. 400 servings for $44..
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/crea.html
You may possibly be able to find stuff cheaper elsewhere but they have good competitive prices on most stuff they cary.
olly

olly said:
Im gonna quote myself here.

olly said:
Its not that cell-tech doesnt work, its just that there are about 100 different options that are better then cell-tech. Main 2 reasons why it isnt very good supplement is the outragious price and second is the 75grams of sugar..
olly



That was 8 days ago.. I tried telling you. Maybe I beat around the bush too much http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I bought mine at a local store, but this is even better. 400 servings for $44..
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/opt/crea.html
You may possibly be able to find stuff cheaper elsewhere but they have good competitive prices on most stuff they cary.
olly



Actually, I need to order my GHT stack from that same place. I was going to order it yesterday but didn't some onknown reason and now I know it's because I was going to order something else from there that I didn't know about yet. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif

Cool, hope that helps you out some and save some cash for the gixxer.. haha..

I post this a lot but this should help you get the most from creatine..
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100831
olly