Let's keep the discussion on this to firearms as much as possible since it technically is a political thread but it shouldn't turn into the heated pissing matches that most political threads do when posted amongst a mixed crowd. I posted it here because the idea is to get people sympathetic to the cause to contact their representatives and not stir up some great debate. I think this is a GREAT idea and is something that should have been done years ago. Seems every conversation I have with someone regarding CCW permits comes back to this point: If you have a CCW from one state it should be recognized by every other state that allows permits. So, if you currently have your permit, are thinking about getting one or just support the 2nd ammendment please forward this to those you know who will also help support.

The U.S. Senate is now considering the National Defense Authorization Act (S. 1390). As a part of the consideration of that legislation, Senators John Thune (R-SD) and David Vitter (R-LA) will offer an amendment on Monday to provide for interstate recognition of Right-to-Carry permits. There is a very high likelihood of a Senate floor vote on this important and timely pro-gun reform on Monday or Tuesday.


While the right to possess firearms for self-defense within the home has long been respected under the law, for most of our nation's history, state and local governments have prohibited ordinary citizens from possessing firearms for self-defense in many settings outside the home. Recently, however, most state legislatures have taken steps to reduce those restrictions. In the last twenty years, the number of states that respect the right to carry has risen from 10 to 40 -- an all-time high.

Linky for convenience...

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5061

Link at the bottom to email...

I am an NRA member and got the same Email. I sent an Email to Al Franken. :)

Linky for convenience...

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5061

Link at the bottom to email...

Thanks!

I am an NRA member and got the same Email. I didn't read it in depth as I was in a rush. Is this a bill to allow a permit holder to travel from state to state without needing seperate permits?

At least read the three short paragraphs I posted.

I read the link. Email sent:cheers

Done... Fingers crossed!

Looks like it was rejected. I wish people would put half as much effort into fighting for gun rights as they do bitching about them being taken away.

Fuck an a... :dissapointed

I take it we no longer have reciprocity rights with states that allow/allowed it? :(


Edit: I've been reading on other (gun) boards that it won't effect reciprocity laws. It only lost by two votes. :cursing

Fuck an a... :dissapointed

I take it we no longer have reciprocity rights with states that allow/allowed it? :(


Edit: I've been reading on other (gun) boards that it won't effect reciprocity laws. It only lost by two votes. :cursing

No, nothing changes as things stood based on the acceptance or denial of this bill but it was something that could have made permits more universal and more widely accepted. No more knowing what states accept your particular CCW permit versus other states permits as it would be pretty much accepted in ALL states that allow CCW which is all but two I believe.

Here's how the votes stacked up (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00237) so if you reside in a NAY state you should have pushed your senator(s) harder and got more people within your state to do the same. If we don't take personal responsibility for these sorts of things then who will?

Here's how the votes stacked up (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00237) so if you reside in a NAY state you should have pushed your senator(s) harder and got more people within your state to do the same. If we don't take personal responsibility for these sorts of things then who will?

My state is useless (Michigan) until these pieces of shit get voted out. They always reply with the exact same 'form letter' no matter which firearm related issue I (and everyone I know) write them/email them. I won't give up though...

Everyone hold tight, the vote details make it appear as though the 3/5 majority was reached. The main page says rejected but if my math is correct 69% yea is more than 60% required.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? :wtf

Failed. Needed 60 yeas to pass. Missed by two votes and three senators didn't vote. :cursing

I wish I could send another email to the senators telling them I think they suck cock and can fuck off:cursing STUPID minnesota senators.

I wish I could send another email to the senators telling them I think they suck cock and can fuck off:cursing STUPID minnesota senators.

You should. Everyone should. We need to start letting our representatives know on a regular basis that our 2nd amendment rights need to be strengthened because too many supporters of the cause are anti-gubment so they don't bother. We need to start a new generation of hobbyists that actively support the cause at every possibility.

I sent a letter to BOTH:


You lost my vote for next term. I voted for you this time, but never again. I was VERY skeptical of you at first and KNEW I should not have voted for you, but did anyway. I guess you learn from mistakes.

Both votes for KS were YEA. I feel better.

Mutherfockers! Read this before sending any thank you letters:



Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/22/AR2009072203282.html?hpid=opinionsbox1)

Quote:
Gun-Shy

By Dana Milbank
Thursday, July 23, 2009

How do you outgun the NRA? Very, very carefully.

Mark Pryor knows all about that. The Democratic senator from pro-gun Arkansas was nowhere to be seen on the Senate floor during Wednesday's showdown over a proposal, championed by the National Rifle Association, that would have gutted state gun-control laws across the nation.

After a morning of angry speeches, a vote was called at high noon. Toward the end of the vote, Pryor entered the chamber through the back door, took a few steps inside, flashed a thumbs-down to the clerk, and retreated as fast and furtively as somebody dodging gunfire.

Several minutes later, the Democrats had racked up more than enough votes to block the proposal. "Are there any senators in the chamber wishing to vote or wishing to change their vote?" the presiding officer inquired.

Pryor burst back in, this time through a side door. "Mr. President!" he called out. "Mr. President!" He stopped in the well to consult with Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), a gun-control advocate who was keeping the whip sheet. Schumer gave Pryor a nod, and the Arkansan -- reassured that his vote was not needed to defeat the proposal -- changed his vote to an "aye."

If Pryor wasn't exactly a profile in courage, keep in mind: The gun lobby has a lot of money and a lot of clout, not to mention a lot of guns. And it doesn't mind firing off a few rounds to keep lawmakers in line.

Sen. David Vitter (R-La.) served this function during the debate when he reminded his colleagues that the NRA would factor this vote into its ratings. "The National Rifle Association, the NRA, is a strong supporter of this amendment," he warned, and it's also "specifically scoring this amendment in terms of member votes."

Looking down the barrel of that gun, 20 of the 60 Democrats in the chamber defected to the NRA's side. Sen. Jim Webb (D-Va.), a gun-loving lawmaker whose aide was charged in 2007 with trying to carry a loaded pistol and extra ammunition into a Senate office building, even spoke on the floor about how his Democratic colleagues were spreading "misinformation."

A couple of seats away, Sen.Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), a gun-control supporter, raised his eyebrows and shook his head.

Only two Republicans went against the gun lobby, but that was enough to leave supporters just short of the 60 votes they needed. The slim margin was no accident: Other Democrats, such as Pennsylvania's Bob Casey and Colorado's Mark Udall and Michael Bennet, were said to have been willing to vote "no" if necessary. Twenty minutes after the voting began, Bennet and Udall left the cloakroom together and walked into the chamber. Bennet went to the well to consult with Schumer, who indicated that it was safe for Bennet -- a product of D.C.'s St. Albans School -- to vote with the NRA. Bennet looked to Udall, who gave an approving nod, and cast his "aye" vote.

Schumer found himself in the unusual position of opposing many of the moderate Democrats he helped bring to office as the head of Senate Democrats' campaign efforts, including Webb, Casey, Jon Tester (Mont.) and Mark Warner (Va.). "Senator," a reporter noted to Schumer at a post-vote news conference, "you were staring down some of the folks you were losing on the floor."

"No. I wasn't at all," Schumer replied. "There was no staring down at all -- none."

Lautenberg tried to defend his colleague. "He was, I thought, mellow, very specific, and not at all threatening or suggesting punishment," he offered.

Either way, it had been clear that Democrats needed some more discipline on gun-control measures. They had already lost votes earlier this year on proposals to allow the carrying of concealed firearms in national parks and to repeal most of the District's gun controls.

The D.C. measure passed with 62 votes. But this time, two Democrats, Claire McCaskill (Mo.) and Arlen Specter (Pa.), were persuaded to switch sides -- and they weren't the only lawmakers caught in the crossfire between the NRA and gun-control forces.

Earlier this week, Lautenberg told reporters that Harry Reid (Nev.), the Democratic leader, would vote against the proposal. But Reid testily refuted Lautenberg. "I'm not going to explain why I'm voting for it," he explained. "I'm just voting for it."

Reid stayed out of view Wednesday while the true believers on both sides abandoned their usual positions

Urban liberals, who typically champion federal authority, lined up to proclaim their fealty to states' rights. "Leave us alone! Leave us alone!" demanded Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.). Her California colleague, Dianne Feinstein (D), even displayed an enlarged photo of the flag-draped caskets of police officers who have been killed.

Southerners, who historically promote states' rights, demanded that the federal government overrule the states on gun laws. John Thune (R-S.D.), who sponsored the measure, said that he was merely trying to "clarify this patchwork" of state laws, and he accused the Democrats of "wild exaggerations" and "scare tactics."

For once, the gun-control crowd won a shootout with the NRA. But nobody was talking about disarmament. "We know the gun lobby is strong," Schumer said after the vote. "We know they will be back."

Motherfuckers.:blink

MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!!!!!