http://www.panamalaw.org/montana_governor_signs_new_gun_law.html

Gotta love my home state.
My brother was talking about this and said he looked at plans a friend had to start construction of Ammo mfg. facility near where he lives.

Good to see that they protected their state rights. If things get bad I may have to move there! :D I hunt there almost every year anyways

I wouldn't mind living in Montana if it weren't for that whole cold Winter thing.

Wow. Extreme. The cold wouldnt bother me, its colder here. I'm on my way.....:burnout

What I wouldn't give to be able to drive down to my local gun shop right now and buy a couple cans for my guns w/o tax stamps and additional bullshit to do so. Montana here I come!

I wouldn't mind living in Montana if it weren't for that whole cold Winter thing.

You could always cuddle with up with a warm gun (or three) :D

I'm of half a mind on this bit of news. On the one hand, I applaud Montana for not siding with the gun-banner silliness but on the other hand, I hope they don't make it too easy to get guns. I hope I read the part about no background checks wrong because I think they're a good thing - they're not 100% effective but at the minimum it keeps known criminals from just strolling into a store and picking up any firearm they want. Here in Arizona it takes only a few minutes for the shop to do it and doesn't really add to the hassle of purchase most of the time.

You could always cuddle with up with a warm gun (or three) :D

I'm of half a mind on this bit of news. On the one hand, I applaud Montana for not siding with the gun-banner silliness but on the other hand, I hope they don't make it too easy to get guns. I hope I read the part about no background checks wrong because I think they're a good thing - they're not 100% effective but at the minimum it keeps known criminals from just strolling into a store and picking up any firearm they want. Here in Arizona it takes only a few minutes for the shop to do it and doesn't really add to the hassle of purchase most of the time.

I take a lot of what I read in that link with a grain of salt. The state can (and BETTER) run a background check for purchase of these items and each state still has their own Bureau of investigation for just this reason. The federal gov't plays ZERO roll in the buying and selling of firearms as it stands other than tracking so for the state and buyers/sellers nothing would change other than not having the federal gov't take rights away. I applaud Montana for doing this and it sends a strong signal to the feds that says we will not give up our most basic or rights.

As for taking only a few minutes, I guess you haven't tried making a purchase that requires a background check within the last several months. Ever since Novemember the times have grown from 10-15min to 3hrs+ which is uncalled for.

As for taking only a few minutes, I guess you haven't tried making a purchase that requires a background check within the last several months. Ever since Novemember the times have grown from 10-15min to 3hrs+ which is uncalled for.

I actually have bought 3 guns in the past month or so and you're right it does take more than just "a few minutes" since the election in a lot of cases. My point though is that I don't think it's so much of an inconvenience that it should be done away with. I hope you're right that that is not Montana's intention.

I actually have bought 3 guns in the past month or so and you're right it does take more than just "a few minutes" since the election in a lot of cases. My point though is that I don't think it's so much of an inconvenience that it should be done away with. I hope you're right that that is not Montana's intention.

My mom was telling me the other day about a bill she 'heard about' that was trying to be passed to allow CCW holders to bypass the background check to purchase firearms and I think she expected me to support it since I'm pro gun. I'm against anything that makes it easier for criminals to obtain firearms and this is a good example. A background should be done each and EVERY time and while it sucks I agree with this and will wait however long it takes and only wish they would get rid of some of the other money makers that make getting a supressor or shorter barrel a HUGE PITA. If I pass a background check why shouldn't I be able to simply buy a supressor w/o any other hoops to jump through? I mean, what would kill innocent people... the gun which I already have or the silencer that I can't get w/o extra steps? Makes a lot of sense if you ask me.

My mom was telling me the other day about a bill she 'heard about' that was trying to be passed to allow CCW holders to bypass the background check to purchase firearms and I think she expected me to support it since I'm pro gun. I'm against anything that makes it easier for criminals to obtain firearms and this is a good example. A background should be done each and EVERY time and while it sucks I agree with this and will wait however long it takes and only wish they would get rid of some of the other money makers that make getting a supressor or shorter barrel a HUGE PITA. If I pass a background check why shouldn't I be able to simply buy a supressor w/o any other hoops to jump through? I mean, what would kill innocent people... the gun which I already have or the silencer that I can't get w/o extra steps? Makes a lot of sense if you ask me.

We agree on that. I also would like to get rid of the tax stamp BS for suppressors since I think it's all a result of overblown fear from Hollywood portrayals. I'd love to get some so I can practice with my P22 or AR without wearing bulky ear protection. I'd also like to be able to get a short-barreled rifle (like a G36K :D) without a lot of crap. I mean, it's ridiculous - you can't get a semi-auto 11-inch barrel AR because it's an "assault rifle" but you can walk into any gun store and as long as you had the dosh you can get a Sig P556 "pistol" that basically does the same thing except it doesn't have a stock!

The background check removal was really the major thing I didn't like the sound of.

I can't even begin to tell you how illegal this is and would HIGHLY suggest if it's true you never speak of it to anyone unless you want your beloved dealer to lose their license and get a HUGE fine. Thats why I buy my guns from the same dealer. I fill out the paper, and walk away with the gun. My dealer takes care of the rest. He is so used to me being put on the "wait" that he has me sign it, and HE dates it after hey call:biggrin

^ where did you find that:shifty

My mom was telling me the other day about a bill she 'heard about' that was trying to be passed to allow CCW holders to bypass the background check to purchase firearms and I think she expected me to support it since I'm pro gun.

In Michigan, once you have a CPL (Concealed Pistol License), you no longer have to be ran through the NICS system to purchase a firearm. Many dealers still run it to cover their asses, but it is not necessary. I guess if you commit a crime after you get your CPL (and before the gun board finds out about it and revokes your permit) this would be a way for a "criminal" to purchase a gun without a background check. There was a time period where I kept getting delays during the NICS check, so I would find FFLs who wouldn't run the check on CPL holders just so I didn't have to go through the whole 3 day waiting period and walk out with my firearm the same day.

^ where did you find that:shifty

When you fill out a form for background check you're actually not even supposed to leave and return let alone leave having made purchase of the firearm. It says right on the form that you are required to remain in the store while the background check is happening so if your dealer is doing anything else as a personal favor to you I wouldn't be bragging about it.

In Michigan, once you have a CPL (Concealed Pistol License), you no longer have to be ran through the NICS system to purchase a firearm. Many dealers still run it to cover their asses, but it is not necessary. I guess if you commit a crime after you get your CPL (and before the gun board finds out about it and revokes your permit) this would be a way for a "criminal" to purchase a gun without a background check. There was a time period where I kept getting delays during the NICS check, so I would find FFLs who wouldn't run the check on CPL holders just so I didn't have to go through the whole 3 day waiting period and walk out with my firearm the same day.

I guess I just don't like this system. I'm never in too much of a hurry that 15min is too long especially if it means less people getting their hands on firearms that shouldn't which jeopardizes those of us who aren't breaking the laws. It doesn't cost anything so as long as they keep it within reason I really don't mind. The only time it went beyond 15min was due to what was happening with our gov't at the federal level and the uncertainty it caused so getting the feds out of all of this would eliminate long waits.

When you fill out a form for background check you're actually not even supposed to leave and return let alone leave having made purchase of the firearm. It says right on the form that you are required to remain in the store while the background check is happening so if your dealer is doing anything else as a personal favor to you I wouldn't be bragging about it.

Delete Jer, Delete..................

Same with GA, once you have a license, I still have to fill out the BG check paperwork, they just dont have to call it in anymore. They just call it in to GA and then keep it on file after I am gone. The background check to get a firearms license is much more extensive anyway. And if by chance my license has been revoked but I still ahve the card, be sure that they will be hunting my ass down for using it illegally to purchase a new gun :dunno

On a side note, I also heard Utah and texas I think it was are in the process of duplicating Montanas bill... and maybe a few other states.

I suspect a few more "red states" will follow, including GA and FL :banana

On a side note, I also heard Utah and texas I think it was are in the process of duplicating Montanas bill... and maybe a few other states.

I suspect a few more "red states" will follow, including GA and FL :banana

More power to them - I hope it sends a clear message to the current government that people don't want more gun control.

I havent heard of ut doin anything as of yet, but I wouldnt mind it at all.

on the background check thing, here in ut if you have you cc permit the dealer calls your permit number into the BCI and if its sill good then they note that on the paperwork and your good to go.

Yep, I am all for background checks. Even though I have bought 3 guns from the same local FFL dealer and he knows I am going to pass he still legally has to hold the firearms. Thats why I found a guy locally so I would not have to drive far when they clear me. I agree that showing the government we don't want more gun control is a good thing :thumbup

Texas is pushing the same bill through right now. More power to them (us) as I think it makes the intentions clear. We won't stand for anymore violation of the constitution. Stop "interpreting" it aka rewriting it the way you want it to be and worry about other real problems.

Yup, like I said I heard TX and UT (I think it was UT, or a state over that way :lol) were also pushing it, and FL and GA are expected to follow suit soon :punk

As for taking only a few minutes, I guess you haven't tried making a purchase that requires a background check within the last several months. Ever since Novemember the times have grown from 10-15min to 3hrs+ which is uncalled for.


Maybe that's what was going on when I bought myself that 1911 for x-mas.

Something took forever during the background check and checkout process. I wound up going in the back and eating pizza with some of the guys while whatever was taking so long.

I've still had the normal wait times here though, I've bought 4 guns, 2 long and 2 short since the election and it's still been a 1-2 minute process for each one.

I <3 texas.

I've still had the normal wait times here though, I've bought 4 guns, 2 long and 2 short since the election and it's still been a 1-2 minute process for each one.

I <3 texas.

Yeah my wait was about 2 minutes a few weeks ago. Don't know what the holdup is in other places.

ya living in monana is a bitch sometimes but every now and again we do some cool shit
but just so u guys know winter is different all over in montana but its still cold but thats y u need a good girl to keep u warm