http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryG8v-30lrs This is myself on Sunday riding about 85% the last 2 min of the vid. I don't look through the turns enough. some sand and rocks so my lines kinda suck. Where should my head, elbows and feet be entering, exiting and through turns. Thanks.

are you the camera bike or the bike in front?

kinda hard to judge BP if you're the camera bike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryG8v-30lrs This is myself on Sunday riding about 85% the last 2 min of the vid. I don't look through the turns enough. some sand and rocks so my lines kinda suck. Where should my head, elbows and feet be entering, exiting and through turns. Thanks.


I really wouldn't worry about critique'ing line selection when you're riding on the street..........you can only use (legally) 1/2 of the road.

"What am I doing wrong"

Trying to learn good BP and going fast on the street. Didn't watch the vid but I assume that's what you're trying to do.

Take it to the track where it belongs and get some instruction.... you'll be haulin ass in no time

I am the bike in front

Take it to the track.

But if you insist on riding hard on the street, then proper BP is still important

You are "rotating" around the tank, which is crossing you up. You are leaving your head behind the windscreen essentially. You look like you are trying to drag your ass :lol. It is common though

Pause it at EXACTLY 1:00

Then compare where your head and back is compared to this pic

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0aqN50a8BY96D/610x.jpg



Here is the best way I can describe it. Put your bike up on a rear stand. Now get in a full straightaway tuck. Now slide EVERYTHING straight over so that your back bone is still pointing straight forward, and you have half of your ass off the seat. Rotate your inside foot to point outwards, heel will be agaisnt the bike, toe towards the tip of the peg. This turns your knee out. The "boney" part on the inside of your outside knee should be touching the side of the tank on the outside. If it is not, and your thigh is touching the back of the tank instead, you need to also slide back a few inches until your knee fits in the knee pocket. This is where you hang on to the bike. NOT with your hands, mid corner.. your outside knee.

now your outside knee is hooked into the tank. Your inside knee is turned out and, and your back is in a straight line with the bike. Your outside forearm will nearly be hanging on the tank as well, or laying across it. Your head should be down as close to your inside hand as possible still in the full straightaway tuck, just slide to the side. This is where "kiss the mirro" comes from, as your head is pointed straight at it. If you are lookint straight ahead, you will be looking under the mirros (obviously mid corner though you should be looking WAY ahead, not under your mirrors.)

Hope that helps.

try searching Correct BP on you tube there are some great instructional vids that can help you. your about 1/2 way there. As MJ said you need to move your whole body not just your lower half.

Are you getting you butt off the seat or just sliding? you need to use your legs to raise your butt about 1/2" to an inch to move off your seat rather than sliding. It will feel strange the first few times but much more comfortable and safer in the long run.

Keep at it!

try searching Correct BP on you tube there are some great instructional vids that can help you. your about 1/2 way there. As MJ said you need to move your whole body not just your lower half.

Are you getting you butt off the seat or just sliding? you need to use your legs to raise your butt about 1/2" to an inch to let the bikes suspension do what it wants to do. It will feel strange the first few times but much more comefortable and safer in the long run.

Keep at it!

HUH?

Raise it over to slide over..... but are you saying you STAND basically mid corner?

Who the hell told you THAT?

You need to lift up to move over, rather than slide over so that you dont put extra inputs in when you are sliding over.

Mid corner you will be sitting.

I sure hope I read you wrong.

HUH?

Raise it over to slide over..... but are you saying you STAND basically mid corner?

Who the hell told you THAT?

You need to lift up to move over, rather than slide over so that you dont put extra inputs in when you are sliding over.

Mid corner you will be sitting.

I sure hope I read you wrong.

No I wrote it wrong... lift up to move over...

Here, watch this. It should help some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uylOooG64tQ

I watched about 30 seconds, you need to have 1 knee locked on at all times. There was a flip flop where you transitioned and both your knees are off the tank.

Apart from that your turning in a bit too early on some corners and the camera guy is too far behind to see much else.

YEah, I made it to 1:00 and saw enough :D

essentially you dont need to hanging off the bike, cause your bike is already leaning like your sitting on the seat. You stick your butt off, but still have your upper body in line with the bike. dont try to get your whole ass off the seat, and look through the turn, your head should be down looking about where your mirrors are...

essentially you dont need to hanging off the bike, cause your bike is already leaning like your sitting on the seat. You stick your butt off, but still have your upper body in line with the bike. dont try to get your whole ass off the seat, and look through the turn, your head should be down looking about where your mirrors are...

Your description to me seems like you are telling him to stick his butt out like he is already doing (wrong) sortof. I see yo usaid Upper body in line though. Your description just sound confusing to me :dunno

And what did ya mean by you dont need to be hanging off the bike...... you DO need to be "hanging off" :dunno.

I really wouldn't worry about critique'ing line selection when you're riding on the street..........you can only use (legally) 1/2 of the road.

slp you idiot! never anything useful to add.....
how bout if he only has half of the road to use,
his track is only HALF AS WIDE. knucklehead!
:banghead
he still has to select a line either on HALF THE ROAD legally, or
ALL OF THE ROAD illegally.
slp, if you have nothing useful to offer.....
STAY AT HOME.
:nono

Mid corner you will be sitting.

are you sure you should be sitting mid-corner?

i thought that the majority of your weight should be on the (outside) footpeg to keep the weight lower (or else you're just moving the weight up to the seat if you sit on it?)

also if you are planted on the seat any bumps mid-corner will just transfer through straight to the rest of your body? (upsetting your weight distribution?)

Yes. You are sitting. Deffinately not standing :wacko

there is no way you can truly stand on the outside peg only.

Your body being moved to the inside moves the weight out and lower. The weight being on the outside peg is a hard thing to describe. You really cant truly "weight" the outside peg when you are hanging off the inside. You will be hanging on with your outside foot, calf, and knee turned into the tank pocket. There should be little weight on your inside peg... essentially you should be able to lift that foot (dont try it though), as well as take your hands off the bars, and still be able to NOT fall off the bike. If you could not do those things "in theory" you are doing it wrong. All of your hard contact with the bike is through your outside leg and ass cheek. Everything else should be soft contact.

With the contact this way, your upper body and arms will be able to "float" with bumps. If you are holding on to the bars too tight, you will transfer bumps to the front..... thus a loose grip is essential. If you are standing on the inside peg, you will trasnfer weight nearly horizontally under the bike, which can cause a slide.

Your ass on the seat is a valuable tool actually in feeling what the rear tire is doing, so it needs to be in contact with the seat for sure.

looks to me like you're trying way too hard to stick your knee out. your upper body should be getting off the bike just as much as your lower. definitely scoot back a bit in the seat (not much) and lower your shoulders into the turn a lot more. spine should be parallel with the center line of the bike (easier said than done)

Thanks for all the imput. I was rotating arround tank, sliding not lifting on transitions, not weighting the pegs enough or droping my shoulder or upper half. Went on a ride yesterday and moving back on the bike and lifting my ass instead of sliding makes makes all the coments click and fall into place. Thanks.

slp you idiot! never anything useful to add.....
how bout if he only has half of the road to use,
his track is only HALF AS WIDE. knucklehead!
:banghead
he still has to select a line either on HALF THE ROAD legally, or
ALL OF THE ROAD illegally.
slp, if you have nothing useful to offer.....
STAY AT HOME.
:nono


:lol:lol:lol

That is you right?


http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=199278


So have you graduated from primary school yet?

slp you idiot! never anything useful to add.....
how bout if he only has half of the road to use,
his track is only HALF AS WIDE. knucklehead!
:banghead
he still has to select a line either on HALF THE ROAD legally, or
ALL OF THE ROAD illegally.
slp, if you have nothing useful to offer.....
STAY AT HOME.
:nono

you may want to take your own advice

I dont always put my outside knee on the tank put by keeping it close i have saved myself from falling...lol

Now on corner entry MotoJoe is right but forgot 1 thing I always do. Corner entry: ass out depending what type of corner it is and your head towards the corner not in the middle of the bike. With the balls of your feet on the inside peg, heel away from the bike while pushing your knee up so that when your mid corner your almost touching knee and elbow. Kinda like the Pic that motojoe showed of Ben Spies. Pushing your knee up gives you more clearance and mobility to take the turn faster with out dragging your knee unnecesarily. just my 2cents

pretty much you have your upper body in a position of trying to see whats on the other side of the mountain. That's what people refer to as the tri-pod position correct? Typical canyon position, need to pretend those "walls" aren't there and get in the position MJ was mentioning.

I dont always put my outside knee on the tank put by keeping it close i have saved myself from falling...lol

Now on corner entry MotoJoe is right but forgot 1 thing I always do. Corner entry: ass out depending what type of corner it is and your head towards the corner not in the middle of the bike. With the balls of your feet on the inside peg, heel away from the bike while pushing your knee up so that when your mid corner your almost touching knee and elbow. Kinda like the Pic that motojoe showed of Ben Spies. Pushing your knee up gives you more clearance and mobility to take the turn faster with out dragging your knee unnecesarily. just my 2cents

What part did I forget?....... lifting your ankle up? That is not traditionally right really. Some people pivot on the end of the peg, Some turn the toes out heel in etc. There are TONS of techniques for inside foot really.


And your outside knee should be in the tank. If it is not, you basically have to hold on with the bars..... which is a bad thing.

hmm... interesting Moto_Joe. i had always thought that when cornering you take the same sort of body position as if you were riding in a straight line over bumps (majority of weight on footpegs to allow your body to "float" so you don't add extra input to the bike through bumps being transferred to your body.)

maybe that's where i've been going wrong. maybe i'll try letting myself put a bit more weight on the seat and my knees won't hurt as much. :_lol: :tongue:

What part did I forget?....... lifting your ankle up? That is not traditionally right really. Some people pivot on the end of the peg, Some turn the toes out heel in etc. There are TONS of techniques for inside foot really.


And your outside knee should be in the tank. If it is not, you basically have to hold on with the bars..... which is a bad thing.


Well your knee is not really on the tank but your thigh is. Look at all the pictures in mid corner and you'll see that just like you said ankle/knee up almost touching the elbows.

No....ideally the knee should be. If your thigh is, you are sitting too close and cant hang on as well. They call the dent in the tank a "knee pocket" for a reason.

It works for some, but not for others.

Like anything else in Bodyposition, a lot of it is preference. There are some REALLY REALLY fast professionals, who use REALLY REALLY crappy body position by the book. But they make it work

Duhammel, he is VERY VERY crossed up, but damn fast.

Spies upper body looks AWESOME, but he is by the book too far forward and actually too far "under" the bike.

I could go on and on.

Everything I said here is about the "by the book" methods. If you learn the "by the book" methods, you will go faster, sooner. Then as you progress, you can make your own adjustments to suit you.

i don't to that and i have no problem hanging off...lol Although i have saved the front end by hanging off my outside knee on the tank and dragging my inside knee on a corner i usually don't drag. Even the pic that you show of spies doesnt have him hanging off with outside knee on the tank.

Did you not read my post, or where you responding when I edited it :D.... read it again. I said Spies upper body is AWESOME (which is what the pic I put up was for) but his lower body is too far forward, and actually "under" the bike by the book.

Did you not read my post, or where you responding when I edited it :D.... read it again. I said Spies upper body is AWESOME (which is what the pic I put up was for) but his lower body is too far forward, and actually "under" the bike by the book.




:lol :wacko you were editing it...

Well said and I totally agree..

IMO..

Wrong way
107546

Right Way
107547

The difference is were your knee and head is. :cheers

Didn't you submit your first picture for body position judging here too? Was on Palomar or something right?

IMO..

Wrong way
107546

Right Way
107547

The difference is were your knee and head is. :cheers

Didn't you submit your first picture for body position judging here too? Was on Palomar or something right?


nope.. the road is called GMR. that was my old riding style..

like everybody else is saying turn your shoulders towards the exit of the turn....your trying way to hard to get your knee down. when you turn your shoulders towards the exit of the turn you should also turn your head. your head should be about where your mirrors are....not center line with the windscreen. Go to the track and get some proper instruction, plus at the track you can look towards the exit of the turn without having to scan the road for rocks and debris. Remember your eyes steer the bike! good luck

hmm... interesting Moto_Joe. i had always thought that when cornering you take the same sort of body position as if you were riding in a straight line over bumps (majority of weight on footpegs to allow your body to "float" so you don't add extra input to the bike through bumps being transferred to your body.)

maybe that's where i've been going wrong. maybe i'll try letting myself put a bit more weight on the seat and my knees won't hurt as much. :_lol: :tongue:

There is a video floating around on youtube where an instructor is telling the class to keep the weight off the seat and on the pegs in the corners.

I saw it a while back.

I think that is where people are getting it from.

Here it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uylOooG64tQ&feature=channel_page

hmmm, yeah.. i have seen that video before as well.

i dunno though. i got some instruction at the last track day i did. i was just trying to sit on the seat more, and it felt better where i was just sitting more relaxed, not stressing about weight through feet/legs and felt good to just drop the knee out when turning into the corner.

also i rode to the MotoGP at Phillip Island and noticed something really strange. the bike was all loaded up with my two bags on the pillion seat and a nearly bursting tank bag also. i was wearing my older two-piece leathers for ease of use over the 1-pc but the old leathers were a bit small/tight so i couldn't even really hang off the bike properly because of that (not to mention that the tank bag limits how far you can bring your arm over). but in the end i was feeling very comfortable with it. i was pretty much just sitting bolt upright and turning the bike into corners, leaning my upper body where possible but this was not much at all. what i found strange about it was that it was the most confident and comfortable that i've felt on the road, probably ever!!

one theory is that i felt more confident due to having more contact with the bike, so i could feel everything a bit better. instead of hanging off and dropping a knee out i was sitting firmly on the seat, and also had the inside of both legs firmly connected to the bike giving more feel.

maybe i had gone too extreme wit the corner footpeg weighting in the past. i'm itching for another track day soon... gonna get out for a ride tomorrow though so i'll have a play around.

now i am starting to think that there is really no "right way" or "wrong way" - it just comes down to experience.

I've heard that the best way to help with getting your head down when just about everything else is spot on is to visualize pushing the bike up and away from the ground while keeping you butt cheek to opposite side of the seat that it sits on normally. is this correct for basic bp?
also sitting back a little so when you take one knee off the tank and slide over to put your opposite knee on it (to stabalize?) you don't contact the tank with your thighs and cause unwanted instability. again what i've HEARD is this true or not?

The visualization thing, if it works for you, so be it :cheers

The slide back to contact the knee thing is spot on though :thumbup, and how I teach my classes

what about foot position? this i sadly know nothing about..

is "getting your knee down" serving any purpose? purhaps it is a guage of lean angle? maybe? again i have no clue

what about foot position? this i sadly know nothing about..

is "getting your knee down" serving any purpose? purhaps it is a guage of lean angle? maybe? again i have no clue


Foot position is somewaht subjective as well. There are many ways that are sufficient. But the main thing is however you do it, you have to be light enough on your feet to allow them to rotate as you need them to.

Getting your knee down is EXACTLY that, and nothing more really. It is a "right of passage" somewhat, but outside that it quickly looses its fascination once you have done it.

It is a function of proper body position, and lean angle. Lean angle is a function of speed VS radius of turn.

About foot position.. toes on pegs good or can i leave my arches on them if i lift my feet above the shifter/brake and keep my toes in is that suficiant? i've been down that far ONLY when riding two up, entry too fast shit. but do my toes NEED to be up i've been hearing this alot

Need to be on the balls of your feet at all times, unless you are actively shifting.

I thought you meant more advanced foot position type stuff. :lol. Sorry.

If you leave the arches on the pegs, you WILL eventually drag your feet. And if you drag them just wrong, you will wrap your foot around the peg, breaking a shit ton of tiny bones in your feet, that take 6-8 months MINIMUM to heal :thumbup

awesome! thanks