my bulgarian milled reciever sa93, with evil features added by global trades (i need a bayo, it was stolen) and ace metal folder.
i have about 10 mags for it, and about 2k rounds.
the accuracy isn't like an ar15, but it woll zing right thru cars, walls, ceilings, and floors (koresh style) MUCH beta than the .556
http://i39.tinypic.com/25qw38y.jpg
:punk

Im a fan :punk


Also of its loosely related variant... the CZ Sa vz. 58 :oogle


102474

nice AK. where AK's lack in accuracy they make up for in duriblity and dropping power. One tough gun. I only shot one once and have thousands and thousand of rounds through AR's and M4's and dead on with iron sights at 450 meters. so i rather just keep my gun clean and hit center mass vice shoot in the mud and miss. But, you have to love the gun and its looks.

Im a fan :punk


Also of its loosely related variant... the CZ Sa vz. 58 :oogle


102474

nice!
hope yo got lotsa ammo b4 the price went up.
got mine when it was $200 per k

I dont have one yet :crying. All I have is an SKS (that is the wifes) and we got it AFTER the ammo was already up :hammer

I dont have one yet :crying. All I have is an SKS (that is the wifes) and we got it AFTER the ammo was already up :hammer

the sks is more accurate than the ak, don't feel bad

yeah, but I want one to play with :D......... and to keep the zombies away :shifty

nice AK. where AK's lack in accuracy they make up for in duriblity and dropping power. One tough gun. I only shot one once and have thousands and thousand of rounds through AR's and M4's and dead on with iron sights at 450 meters. so i rather just keep my gun clean and hit center mass vice shoot in the mud and miss. But, you have to love the gun and its looks.

most real shtf fighting will occur in under 50 yards, the ak will handle that just fine.
i like being able to dump tons of ammo thru w/o worry of a jam

I sold all my AKs last year but would like to pick up another one here soon before you can't anymore. If I get another one I'd like to grab an underfolder. In Michigan you actually have to register it as a pistol but you can theoretically carry it concealed in your vehicle or whatnot (or under your black trench coat. :D ).

I sold all my AKs last year but would like to pick up another one here soon before you can't anymore. If I get another one I'd like to grab an underfolder. In Michigan you actually have to register it as a pistol but you can theoretically carry it concealed in your vehicle or whatnot (or under your black trench coat. :D ).

legally we in tx can walk down the street with a long gun visible. but since 9-11....
i was transporting a double bbl shotty from houston to galveston,on my busa. the barrels were protruding from a case that was too small.
i made it all the way thru houston, but in galvez some prick dropped a dime on me.
i was lit up. i stretched my arms out away from the gun, they took it off my back.
i also had a broke down ar15 strapped to the back seat.
they wasted about 15 minutes on me, over something that aint even a crime.
it ended up a amusing little convo about how cops can get full autos for $800:wait

Legal or not, if they get a "man with a gun" call ANYWHERE they will check it out. Generally if you are cool about it, then they will just be like "yeah, sorry dude, you are legal but we have to check ya know"

That is one of a few reasons that with a concealed permit it is so important to truly conceal and not print. Not everyone is educated enough to know you might be legally carrying. So if you are in the grocery store reaching for some cocoa puffs and a little old lady screams "HE HAS A GUN" and everyone runs away screaming in terror, You might as well stand still, and wait for the popo to show up.. :banghead.

I have an AK but it needs a bolt, bolt carrier and gas piston. Also, I have an SKS which is truly an awesome rifle.

To me, anyway!

--Wag--

No AK, but have my SKS with the Tapco kit. Love it

I'm gonna build something like this next:

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/33/l_90f58e70442a4e28aa708fd9a527b274.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/3/l_920cc0a24baa4e69a2227f8dd8c84454.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/17/l_ed3a7c875f1f482282262b64fa592e90.jpg

I'm gonna build something like this next:

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/33/l_90f58e70442a4e28aa708fd9a527b274.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/3/l_920cc0a24baa4e69a2227f8dd8c84454.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/17/l_ed3a7c875f1f482282262b64fa592e90.jpg

That thur may be the sweetest looking AK I've seen. I'm not a fan of 10 lbs of junk hanging off your gun but this one seems to have a nice, functional balance.
Nice...

That thur may be the sweetest looking AK I've seen. I'm not a fan of 10 lbs of junk hanging off your gun but this one seems to have a nice, functional balance.
Nice...

that is nice. but the plastic mags crack.
also idk who makes subsonic 7.62 ammo.
a suppressor would be kinda silly w/o it, imho

a suppressor would be kinda silly w/o it, imho

Not quite - a suppressor (that can handle the higher pressure of supersonic rounds) will make it much harder to locate the firing position as soon as you get a bit of distance to it. Hides muzzle flash well too.

I'm gonna build something like this next:

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/33/l_90f58e70442a4e28aa708fd9a527b274.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/3/l_920cc0a24baa4e69a2227f8dd8c84454.jpg

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/17/l_ed3a7c875f1f482282262b64fa592e90.jpg

Why is the bolt handle on the left?

Why is the bolt handle on the left?

It looks to have one on either side (ambi bolt handle???) :scratch If so, that's pretty sweet.

Even if not ambi, For a right handed person, they either have to take their trigger hand off to charge a new mag or fix a jam, or reach over the rifle with it the way it normally is (thus dissengaging the enemy longer than needed). So for a right handed person that is pretty sweet to be on the left side.

Even if not ambi, For a right handed person, they either have to take their trigger hand off to charge a new mag or fix a jam, or reach over the rifle with it the way it normally is (thus dissengaging the enemy longer than needed). So for a right handed person that is pretty sweet to be on the left side.

I never thought of that. I'm left handed so the way it is normally is so natural I never would have thought about it being wrong for a righty.

I have an AK but it needs a bolt, bolt carrier and gas piston. Also, I have an SKS which is truly an awesome rifle.

To me, anyway!

--Wag--

THE wag from the .org?:punk
craigntx here. any other .org'ers here?
i'm sure someone at www.gunsnet.net or
www.glocktalk has what you need.
i have accounts at both, and can find a seller for you.
lemme know

I never thought of that. I'm left handed so the way it is normally is so natural I never would have thought about it being wrong for a righty.


It is "right" for a bolt action type rifle, where you want to take your finger off the trigger to work the action, and since they are heavier supporting with front hand works better anyway.

But in a firefight, the ability to keep your hand on the trigger grip, and keep the sights down range, and work the action is benneficial.

At least the is most people opinion as I understand it. Id rather it be on the left side for me (Im a lefty too) so that my trigger hand can work the action.

. Id rather it be on the left side for me (Im a lefty too) so that my trigger hand can work the action.

I'm a right hander, and can keep my eye in my scope while chambering a round in my 30.06 much easier with it on the right by taking my trigger hand up and chambering while holding the gun tight to my shoulder without taking my sight off target with my left.

All n all, same here, Id rather have my strong hand work the action.

I'm a right hander, and can keep my eye in my scope while chambering a round in my 30.06 much easier with it on the right by taking my trigger hand up and chambering while holding the gun tight to my shoulder without taking my sight off target with my left.

All n all, same here, Id rather have my strong hand work the action.

I think a bolt is differnt world than a charging handle though really. :dunno.

I know I feel MUCH MUCH more natural shooting a bolt action made for a lefty than I do a normal...... most ALL guns are actually slightly awkward for us lefties actually :banghead.... but I can see the idea in a firefight being able to keep the trigger finger on (like clearing a jam :dunno)

Im not a soldier though. Maybe one will chime in :dunno

most real shtf fighting will occur in under 50 yards, the ak will handle that just fine.
i like being able to dump tons of ammo thru w/o worry of a jam

I know this is a hair off the topic you guys are on now... but other than a war/MAYBE police where are you going to be shooting at someone 50 yrds away... even at 50 ft you should be running to avoid the sit if possible? Just wondering...

btw badass AK :biggrin

I know this is a hair off the topic you guys are on now... but other than a war/MAYBE police where are you going to be shooting at someone 50 yrds away... even at 50 ft you should be running to avoid the sit if possible? Just wondering...

btw badass AK :biggrin

Obviously were not talking about using a carry permit to pack a fully decked AK47. This conversation is if there was a need to use it in say a riot, goverment breakdown, ect. And if your in a gun fight at 50 ft, no way in hell I'm turning my back first to run so I can get shot in the back.

Right, because you couldn't... government breakdown - world turns to shit... sure. but it was stated that shtf at under 50 yrds... and considering there's no events of that actually happening... most gun fights happen in under 7 yards, most of them within 10 ft...

as far as the 50ft... you hit your target you live and you maim/kill a bystander? jail. you hit your target and nothing else? in the shit for not avoiding the situation, most likely, jail. Here, involving yourself in a gun fight that was escapable is just as bad as starting it. jail.

Sucks to be you :thumbup


Castle Doctrin...... its a great thing :thumbup. There is no duty to retreat in GA, or any state in the south that I know of. in my home, car or workplace all I have to do is reasonably suspect you are there to commit a forceable felony, and I am protected legally and civilly if I shoot.

In fact, if I am legally allowed to be carrying, ANYWHERE in teh state, if I am attempting to stop a forceable felony, I am legally and civilly protected if I shoot.

Your english is killing me though. Are you saying there is no chance of a SHTF (gov breakdown or riots...) where you might want/need a weapon like an AK? If that is what you chose to believe, that is fine, but you will find yourself strongly apposed in this section of the forum....... :thumbup.

As far as most "gun fights" being within 7yds. You are right. But that is not the type of situation we are talking about wanting an AK on hand for. Those situations are why MANY of the people in this thread have a gun in their "pocket" at any given time :thumbup.

BTW, doing some research, In Ohio you have castle doctrine and NO duty to retreat in your dwelling or vehicle. Only in a public place as far as I can tell..... and there is NO duty to retreat if you are in direct danger :thumbup

Joe, would you seriously attempt at stopping a felony at that range not knowing if you'd hit your mark and risking yourself and possibly others?

How is my english killing you? No, I'm not saying it's not possible. I was saying that the stats that were posted are simply untrue. If you find yourself in a situation that you're firing at that range, you will most likely be held at some sort of fault.

We were taught that if you have the ability to retreat, by law, you must. At 50 ft, attempting to stop a felony(hostage at gun point, hostage in the immediate area) is in most cases worse than allowing it.

The situations that are possible are endless, so your first question is impossible to answer.

What range are you asking about? The 50yd range, or the concealed carry "7yds" you spoke of?

If the latter, Im in a store, badguy doesnt know I am there. I have a clean line of fire, and he has a gun to the clerks face..... sure. Maybe. Depends on the situation. Or I might be a good witness instead.

Just because a person is packing does NOT mean that every situation that is a FORCEABLE felony (you left that part out) warrants drawing your firearm. Judgement is deffinately critical.

Same goes for a guy entering my home, property, vehicel or workplace. I see guys say all the time that if someone was stealing their bike theyd shoot them...... and that is bullshit. One, that is not a forceable felony. Two you are not in danger. Deadly force is not authorized to protect your property anywhere that I know of. But a guy enters my house and I dont know why he is there, I will presume he is there to kill me or rape my wife, or both.... and yes, I will fire.

but there are also situations where the badguy already is drawn on you. You cant outdraw a drawn gun. Best to leave yours in its holster probably.

Just too many variables........ but I think about and contemplate how I would react to them very regularly :thumbup


Back on the AK situation. Lets takea severl SHTF situation, where martial law is the result. Sure. I will protect what is mine in any way possible..... and legalities be damned, in martial law there ARE none. It could happen. How about war/terrorism strikes our soil...... yup, Id like to have an AK in that situation too.

You cant assume these things will not happen. ARe they likely? Nope. But they could. I will presume you wear your seatbelt/helmet because you COULD get in an accident. Same thing :thumbup.

We were taught that if you have the ability to retreat, by law, you must. At 50 ft, attempting to stop a felony(hostage at gun point, hostage in the immediate area) is in most cases worse than allowing it.


In your state.. in a public place, it would appear that is still the law.

Not in mine, nor quite a few other states.

At 50ft, with a pisto, I can keep a 5in pattern.......but I may or may not act. at 50ft, guy has some people hostage, and I have a rifle (maybe even a pistol), a clear shot, and element of surprise..... and I am worried he may act before LE gets there..... sure I might shoot. Again it depends. And the great thing is, it is not illegal to do so.

Well said. I'm prepared with almost 1000 rounds for my SKS and my Panther 308. You just never know.

I was speaking of you firing your taurus(or anyone with any ccw) at a bg at 50 ft to stop a felony.

Enter my house and be a shadow - Absolutely not, I cannot fire unless attacked with deadly force. My uncle went to jail for 10 years for killing a man that entered his house... turns out he was unarmed.

Martial law - definitely... however it wasn't implied in the initial "most shtf within 50 yrds" comment. That's why I said what I did.

In your state.. in a public place, it would appear that is still the law.

Not in mine, nor quite a few other states.

At 50ft, with a pisto, I can keep a 5in pattern.......but I may or may not act. at 50ft, guy has some people hostage, and I have a rifle (maybe even a pistol), a clear shot, and element of surprise..... and I am worried he may act before LE gets there..... sure I might shoot. Again it depends. And the great thing is, it is not illegal to do so.

a 5" circle is great at 50', I'm sure you're aware... but in the case that someone encounters a situation and isn't you, they should be weary. IF you have a rifle and just so happen to be in the right spot at the right time to save lives yes... an ak at 50 ft with a hostage at gp... no way! handshake, nerves, anything! It's not shooting at a still in your backyard while Dilly's cooking up some ribs.

Your laws have changed....... :thumbup. Look it up. If he enters your house, you can assume he is there to rape your wife. He does not have to be armed :thumbup.


Me firing my Taurus at 50ft to stop a badguy. Maybe. Like I said. Do I have a clear shot? Can the sitation be diffused? Will I serve the sitation better as a good witness rather than escalating it? Am I legally ok to use force? Is what this guy is doing, or what he MIGHT do, worth his life?

All these questions and mroe have to be answered in a matter of seconds.

But if they line up... yes. I conceivably would shoot a guy with my taurus at 50ft. Without taking addrenaline into account (which I am actually pretty in tune with, but that is beside the point) I could headshot a guy at 50ft if he were still and I had a clear shot............. for example he has a store owner at gun point and has shot the store owner once already, and his back is to me, and he doesnt know i am there, and the shot is clear. Yup, I might take the shot :dunno

Again I say CLEAR SHOT. I am not talking a guy with the hostage in a choke hold, gun to hostages head. Say, he is standing with hostages on the ground, and I am to the side...... and he has already shot someone.

Again, unlikely...... HIGHLY unlikely. But woudl I if the situation lined up right? sure. But there are a LOT of ifs there to be taken into account.

Most gun fights might happen at shorter distances, but you shouldn't train solely or plan on a 7 yard gun fight....
Remember Katrina? I believe that would qualify as a SHTF scenario. I've shot a lot and shoot well with my glock, but under a high stress situation, I don't know how comfortable I would be shooting at a 50' or more, hopefully there wouldn't be a lot of people around that could get in the way. If I remember correctly, 50' I think is about the distance from one sidewalk across a typical two lane street, to the other sidewalk. It would be much nicer to have a rifle, but you can't really put that in a holster, on your hip, under your shirt :)

No doubt.

There is actually video somewhere of a guy standing on his roof, standing down looters and rioters........ WITH AN AK :punk.

I have no doubt you could hit your mark at 50 ft with a clear shot. Great, so could I. Problem is there is never a clear shot, that's why I comment on bystanders/hostages etc. My point is A) Shooting an AK at 50 yrds to defend yourself is ridiculous and endangering unless its zombies or martial law B) Firing a shot at 50 ft to save the day is a bad idea unless you are in direct danger and don't have the ability to retreat because most likely you will make the situation worse.

Either way I didn't mean to start a fuss, I was only trying to get people think about a few things before shooting and realize it's not just shoot and be a hero. Just cover your ass and make sure you're making the best decision you can in that .0001 of second you have to make it. Practice and practice some more so if you have to pull the trigger on an AK or whatever it is you have at 50 yrds or 50 ft, it's because you have to. You don't want to have to live with the fact that you killed someone over your LCD tv...

No doubt on that.

sadly, those guys DO exist :dissapointed. Like I stated I hear billy bad ass guys claim they will shoot someone trying to steal their bike.... bullshit.

And the tricky situation there is if it is outside, and he is not threatening you, and you draw on him to "scare him off" and he shoots back....... HE was the one justified, not you. You were the aggressor.

:cheers

No doubt on that.

sadly, those guys DO exist :dissapointed. Like I stated I hear billy bad ass guys claim they will shoot someone trying to steal their bike.... bullshit.

And the tricky situation there is if it is outside, and he is not threatening you, and you draw on him to "scare him off" and he shoots back....... HE was the one justified, not you. You were the aggressor.

in my state it's legal to use deadly force to stop a major theft at night of an item that is not easily replaced.
so if you cant afford full coverage on the bike, catch a maggot stealing it, blast his punk ass:punk
rememember JOE HORN?:biggrin
and that was in broad daylight.

and the earlier poster with the bad english:banghead
killin me too

I've read about some states that allow you to protect property with deadly force but I could just never do it. If I can't afford the insurance, chances are I really can't afford the item. Come after me and mine, different story. Period.

No doubt. I dont care if it is legal or not in my state. I do not see the need to take someones life for stealing my shit.

I believe the story he is referring to was a guy who shot and killed two people for stealing "His neighbors Shit". And this was after dispatch told him not to go over there and confront the two. Was this in Texas? I think so, but not sure. Anyways the guy gets off on any charges. It's a different culture depending on what part of the country your from, but that was BS imho.

Yup, Billy badass cowboy there. He WANTED to kill someone, and was looking for an excuse to to do legally is the way I view that.

There are a lot of those guys out there too.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/17/national/main3517564.shtml?source=mostpop_story

the idea that, if a burglar makes it outside, they should get a free pass is absurd.
people in Ga have open carry, iirc.
people in Ma. (where they can't even have a loaded gun in the home) would likely be apalled by the sight of a "cowboy" walking down the street with a visible gun.
anyone who would exercise the rights of their state while loking down on those who do the same in another state are just plain hypocrites http://i42.tinypic.com/osg9q8.jpg

You're walking down a deserted street with your
wife and two small children.
Suddenly, an Islamic Terrorist with a huge knife comes
around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, praises
Allah, raises the knife, and charges at you. You are carrying a 40 caliber
Glock, and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family.

What do you do?

____________________________________ ______________

THINK CAREFULLY AND THEN SCROLL DOWN







Democrat's Answer:


Well, that's not enough information to answer the
question! Does the man look poor or oppressed?

Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire
him to attack?

Could we run away?
What does my wife think?
What about the kids?

Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock
the knife out of his hand?
What does the law say about this situation?

Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into
it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind
of message does this send to society and to my children?

Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me?
Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be
content just to wound me?

If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my
family get away while he was stabbing me?

Should I call 911?

Why is this street so deserted?
We need to raise taxes, have a paint and weed day, and
make this a happier, healthier street that would discourage such behavior.

This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with
some friends for few days and try to come to a consensus.







Republican's Answer:

BANG!


___________________





Southerner's Answer:

BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
BANG! Click..... (Sounds of reloading)
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG!
BANG! Click

Daughter: 'Nice grouping, Daddy! Were those the
Winchester Silver Tips or
Hollow Points?'

Son: 'Can I shoot the next one!'

Wife: 'You're not takin' that to the Taxidermist
:lol

Southerners answer FTW :lol


If you have a pistol, and shoot once, you should probably shoot at least 4 times if you are shooting center mass (not a head shot) anyway. It will probably take that much for him to suffer hydraulic failure before he reaches you :D

Well I think its absurd to kill someone because they are a burglar... Just my $.02's

More absurd than someone making the choice to break into my home and threaten the lives of my wife and I over material possessions the WE worked hard for?

Well I think its absurd to kill someone because they are a burglar... Just my $.02's

IN your house is one thing. You dont know if he is going to kill you THEN take your shit or not.

But Bike is out by the road, and you see a dude hop on it, and you start popping caps..... yeah, absurd to me. Not worth a life :dunno

I guess I just see that as an escape route. If I were a theif, and knew someone had every right to use lethal force to defend their property, I would be that much more unlikely to try to steal from them in the first place.:dunno

I wouldnt hesitate for a second if someone broke into my home at night. How the hell am I supposed to know his intentions? Now, ike Joe said, he jumps on my bike, I wouldnt shoot him. I would shoot at the tires:lol

he jumps on my bike, I wouldnt shoot him. I would shoot at the tires:lol

:lol:punk

IN your house is one thing. You dont know if he is going to kill you THEN take your shit or not.

But Bike is out by the road, and you see a dude hop on it, and you start popping caps..... yeah, absurd to me. Not worth a life :dunno

or just going to kill you for seeing his/her face? maybe they're already wanted... but yeah definitely not for stealing my bike... besides, State Farm will give me a new one :biggrin

or just going to kill you for seeing his/her face? maybe they're already wanted... but yeah definitely not for stealing my bike... besides, State Farm will give me a new one :biggrin

sure, you got full coverage, no problem.
lets just say a guy just lost his job, and has to cut back to liability.
some maggot is stealing your only source of transportation, so he can score some dope. you live out in bfe, and you're totally screwed if you have no transpo.
i say blast the maggot.

in alaska, if you catch some pos stealing your snowmobile when youre out ice fishing in bfe, you can use deadly force. otherwise, what's gonna happen?
you freeze to death.
stealing is a dangerous business, let the thieves suffer the consequences of their actions

I wouldnt hesitate for a second if someone broke into my home at night. How the hell am I supposed to know his intentions? Now, ike Joe said, he jumps on my bike, I wouldnt shoot him. I would shoot at the tires:lol

its called reckless endangerment if you don't go for the money shot.
dead men tell no tales:punk

Yeah but if I shoot a man simply stealing my bike in MN, I'm fucked.

^ Cowboy. :dissapointed. (edit: not V2)


Sure there are extenuating circumstances to everything. What if the dude who is stealing my bike matches a description of a guy I just saw on the news who killed three people across town..... bla blah. Sure.


But I have not lost my job, my bike is not my sole mode of transportation, I am not going to freeze to death if someones steals my bike.......... and my bike getting stolen is NOT worth someones life.

In a situation like that, the better thing is to be a good witness.

What if HE just lost his job, his car was re-po'd, and his mom is dying and he is trying to get to her before she breathes her last breath.... while we are talking what ifs.

Who are you to be judge jury and executioner? Guy threatens a life, or has a high likelihood of doing so..... sure. Blast his ass. But for mere possessions?

Your mileage may vary, and your state laws might too.

My mileage says let him go, and my state says that is not a "forceable felony" and I will be in jail for a long time fro blasting a guy who tried to steal my bike..... and in my opinion rightfully so.

Cowboy? :scratch I hope that was meant for the guy above me.

so a $5k is worth a persons life? - in alaska fine whatever if your life is endangered but come on... all that would happen is you kill someone and get to think about it everyday next to bubba in county... let them take the fkn bike

damn either you guys type too fast or I should quit making trips to the fridge for a fresh cold one :biggrin

Cowboy? :scratch I hope that was meant for the guy above me.

Already fixed :lol


I think some people SEVERELY underestimate the effect taking a life will have on a person.

If you dont think it will weigh VERY heavy on you, that you took a guys life, for a possesion....... you are probably very delusional.

If you seriously think it you are tougher than that, and it wont weigh heavy on you..... then you have mental instabilities, and you probably should avoid handling firearms anyway.

Taking a life is a HUGE deal.

I know without a shadow of a doubt, I could if need be. But....... that is the key. If it needs to be done.

damn either you guys type too fast or I should quit making trips to the fridge for a fresh cold one :biggrin

Only 60+wpm :lol

maybe you should have been a secretary :) lol it's not too late...

I can only type that fast out of my head. Taking dictation, or copying something already typed I am MUCH slower. Still probably above average, but nowhere near as fast.

All self taught too :dunno

my high school "typing" teacher was pretty hot back in the day so I had a hard time actually learning... you'd think after 3 years of her class I would have learned something lol oh well...

I wouldnt hesitate for a second if someone broke into my home at night. How the hell am I supposed to know his intentions? Now, ike Joe said, he jumps on my bike, I wouldnt shoot him. I would shoot at the tires:lol


Firing at a moving vehicle is considered deadly force if police do it in FL, so I'm guessing it's the same most other places :dunno

Firing at a moving vehicle is considered deadly force if police do it in FL, so I'm guessing it's the same most other places :dunno

This symbol was meant to point out a joke ":lol"

I wouldnt actually shoot out the tires:wacko
My bike is in my garage anyway. And besides, I have the scorpio with the ignition disable and perimeter sensor. If they want to hop on my bike and have me kill the engine while they are in the middle of a bus intersection, to bad for them. Id like to see ANYONE tell me I'm in trouble for killing a guy because he was hit by a car stealing my bike:biggrin

so a $5k is worth a persons life? - in alaska fine whatever if your life is endangered but come on... all that would happen is you kill someone and get to think about it everyday next to bubba in county... let them take the fkn bike

$10k and the loss of a way to the beer store= 1 dead crackhead, imo:biggrin

Well I think its absurd to kill someone because they are a burglar... Just my $.02's


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This symbol was meant to point out a joke ":lol"

I wouldnt actually shoot out the tires:wacko
My bike is in my garage anyway. And besides, I have the scorpio with the ignition disable and perimeter sensor. If they want to hop on my bike and have me kill the engine while they are in the middle of a bus intersection, to bad for them. Id like to see ANYONE tell me I'm in trouble for killing a guy because he was hit by a car stealing my bike:biggrin


Given the state of tort law in this country, it wouldn't shock me in the least.

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Even more so in Florida where you can shoot someone for burglary:thumbup

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