For all those who have a concealed carry license that had to go forth with an application that was viewed by a judge. What were your reasons for justification to ask for concealed carry?

...don't see a judge here....or need to give reason.

All lawful purposes.

Self employed in Detroit. 'Nuff said...

No judge or gun board here either. Just apply and wait. Realistically, there should be no need for a fuckin' CPL, CCW or whatever you want to call it. You should be able to carryt if you are and always have been a law abiding citizen (not trying to get political, just sayin'.)

I know you should be able to etc.. but NY has set laws in place. Im just interested to see what others put in their applications to get granted full cc. Again those who actually had to go thru the process listed above.

Ours are only reviewed by the police department but my reasons were self defense, target practice and hunting.

Judge? Your local Sheriff should grant/deny ALL concealed weapons permits.

Should be a similar process in most counties: Complete required training, pass background, pay required fees and wait for several months for the background to come back.

ya sheriff does it. helps if your in a red county. my county will approve almost anyone. i saw results for the election and almost 80 percent of our county citizens voted mccain. we got a few gun lovers...

Got this from usacarry.com (http://www.usacarry.com/new_york_concealed_carry_permit_information.html):

Westchester County may require the applicant to successfully complete a firearms safety course and test in addition to meeting the other requirements. Other counties also require a safety course for license issuance.

A license may be granted to an applicant who is of good moral character, who is over 21 years of age, who has not been convicted of a serious offense, who states if and when he has ever been treated for mental illness, who is not subject to a protective court order and to whom no good cause exists for the denial of the license. The age requirement shall not apply to persons honorably discharged from the military. (Persons between age 18 and 21 may possess a handgun at an indoor or outdoor pistol range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in small arms. A person between the ages of 18 and 21 may also possess a handgun at a target pistol shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by the NRA and while under immediate supervision).

Applications for licenses must be acted upon within 6 months after presentment. If there is a delay, there must be written notice to the applicant stating the reasons.

If issued, a license is valid until revoked, except in New York City where a license shall expire not more than 3 years after the date of issuance, and in Nassau, Suffolk and Westchester Counties where a license shall expire not more than 5 years after the date of issuance.

An applicant for a license to carry outside the home must be required to show, in addition to the requirement for possession, that proper cause exists for the issuance of a carry license, including, for example, target shooting, hunting, or self-defense.

Don't need to talk to a judge here in FL. I took my class, sent in my application along with a $175 check and got my permit back in about a month or so, no background problems.

If I was asked for a reason, I'd probably point to the 2nd amendment and say that is reason enough...

took me 10 months to get my "buisness carry" which is only good for ny state and not withing city limits.

Don't need to talk to a judge here in FL. I took my class, sent in my application along with a $175 check and got my permit back in about a month or so, no background problems.

If I was asked for a reason, I'd probably point to the 2nd amendment and say that is reason enough...

If I was a Sheriff I would tell you that a permit to conceal doesn't affect your 2nd amendment right. That's why CCW permits aren't as sacred as most would like to think because they in no way protected by our civil rights. Not sure why you would have to give ANYONE a reason when applying but if you do simply state:

Discrete protection of my life and the lives of my family and the innocent around me on a daily basis.

I had an outstanding issue so my initial application was denied. I had to appeal and meet with our Sheriff and we had a nice meeting which lasted for a couple of hours. Never once did he ask me why I needed a concealed weapon permit. Wasn't even a topic to be covered. Mine was more regarding my character and if I was stable and what was the cause of a minor incident I had a few years back that was unavoidable and self defense for the most part. Once he determined I wasn't a threat to myself or others why should I have to justify why I wish to make my carry discrete as to avoid unnecessary attention?

For all those who have a concealed carry license that had to go forth with an application that was viewed by a judge. What were your reasons for justification to ask for concealed carry?

Don't take this the wrong way but do you even understand the process for getting your permit? I'm unaware of any judge that would have any decision in this situation nor am I aware of having to justify why you want one. If you wanted an SBR or a Suppressor then you might have to justify why to your Sheriff and depending on the reason may not get signed off for them but that is an entirely different situation from a simple CCW. Just curious if you are basing your questions off of what you heard or if you know for a fact that your situation would for sure involve a judge.

If I was a Sheriff I would tell you that a permit to conceal doesn't affect your 2nd amendment right. That's why CCW permits aren't as sacred as most would like to think because they in no way protected by our civil rights. Not sure why you would have to give ANYONE a reason when applying but if you do simply state:

Discrete protection of my life and the lives of my family and the innocent around me on a daily basis.

I had an outstanding issue so my initial application was denied. I had to appeal and meet with our Sheriff and we had a nice meeting which lasted for a couple of hours. Never once did he ask me why I needed a concealed weapon permit. Wasn't even a topic to be covered. Mine was more regarding my character and if I was stable and what was the cause of a minor incident I had a few years back that was unavoidable and self defense for the most part. Once he determined I wasn't a threat to myself or others why should I have to justify why I wish to make my carry discrete as to avoid unnecessary attention?
I figured that response wouldn't get me anywhere with a sheriff, I guess I was just being idealistic.

Either way, I didn't have to meet with a sheriff, I went to a gun show and took my class. Went to the local range and fired a shot down range to show that I am not completely incompetent in the use of firearms, sent in my money and application and I got my permit. No questions asked...

Yea I fully understand the process. For your avg Joe you have to go to city hall, see the weapons clerk, then you pay for your application. Finish that, attend a course etc...
Since I'm military the application fee is waved and no course is needed. Each county is different...
With your application you need 3 character witness that you've known for at least 5years. Anyway after that whole process is over and your witness send back the packages on your behalf, it all is over looked by pistol permit assistant and a judge for ccw.

Like i said before each county is different, because each judge is different with different views. IE. Jefferson county where Fort Drum army post is located its easy. But in Onondaga county (Syracuse, and surrounding burbs) it is tough because of the judge's views i perhaps.

And as some said above carrying in NYC is a no go anyway.

Self defense is a no go answer. You will get a permit but no ccw. On your permit it will list what your permit is good for. If you actually have ccw, it says it in bold letters.
other wise your pistol better be secured some where with no ammo around it when transporting it. For hunting, targeting etc...
The simple buy, simple back ground check, wait a few days only works for rifles.

Yea I fully understand the process. For your avg Joe you have to go to city hall, see the weapons clerk, then you pay for your application. Finish that, attend a course etc...
Since I'm military the application fee is waved and no course is needed. Each county is different...
With your application you need 3 character witness that you've known for at least 5years. Anyway after that whole process is over and your witness send back the packages on your behalf, it all is over looked by pistol permit assistant and a judge for ccw.

Like i said before each county is different, because each judge is different with different views. IE. Jefferson county where Fort Drum army post is located its easy. But in Onondaga county (Syracuse, and surrounding burbs) it is tough because of the judge's views i perhaps.

And as some said above carrying in NYC is a no go anyway.

Self defense isn't the key part of that reason. Descrete is. Use the definition if you want and key on the fact of how people with open carry are looked at and the fact that if you open carry chances are good you will be first one picked off in a situation then your firearm is of no good accept to a bad guy.

Don't need to talk to a judge here in FL. I took my class, sent in my application along with a $175 check and got my permit back in about a month or so, no background problems.

If I was asked for a reason, I'd probably point to the 2nd amendment and say that is reason enough...

$175, really? All I had to pay for was the fingerprinting, background check and a nominal processing fee - less than 50 bucks if I recall correctly. But that was about five years ago & I already had my CCW permit from Georgia.

$175, really? All I had to pay for was the fingerprinting, background check and a nominal processing fee - less than 50 bucks if I recall correctly. But that was about five years ago & I already had my CCW permit from Georgia.
$175 covers the class and all the associated fees with getting the CCW. I took the class at a gun show one day when I had some time to kill (that was the reason for being at the gun show, I didn't plan on buying anything, or taking the class, I just had time to kill). It may not have been the cheapest route, but the end result is the same...

Guys, You're comparing apples to walnuts here. Each state has it's own CCW/gun ownership/purchase laws.

That's the bad part about the BHO admin due in about 1600 Tuesday the 20th.
Nationwide bad news at some point...

DH
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I just purchased my first 9mm....i got a sportsman license.....however when i read the pistol handbook for my county i noticed that the section on shooting ranges states: "When traveling to and from the range your pistol should be carried loaded and concealed on you"

so all i can say after that is every day till about 8pm it is in my car along with all the shooting ranges in my area...and its all "legal" which is a beautiful thing to say because there is no way they can prove that you were or werent driving TO a range.

If I was asked for a reason, I'd probably point to the 2nd amendment and say that is reason enough...
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Judge? Your local Sheriff should grant/deny ALL concealed weapons permits.

Should be a similar process in most counties: Complete required training, pass background, pay required fees and wait for several months for the background to come back.


Nope, In GA no training required, but we have to go before a judge, then go to the sherriffs office to get him to sign off. $40, wait about two weeks, and done :D

I didn't have to go before a judge. Just got the paperwork & mailed it in. I'm not even sure I was fingerprinted in GA. It did take a long ass time for the background check to come through though.

how long ago was that, and it is different from county to county I think. we do have to be finger printed

I didnt have to do anything but go to the sheriff and get one, he signed the card and said that will be 10 bucks.

Don't bother trying if you live in Australia.

my reason is to have something to give to an overly aggressive bum and/or meth addict on I-16 on/off ramps when i'm on my bike in Macon. it's only a matter of time before one crosses the line.

i had to pay $200 for the application process fee and another $100 for fingerprinting.

I know you should be able to etc.. but NY has set laws in place. Im just interested to see what others put in their applications to get granted full cc. Again those who actually had to go thru the process listed above.

Didn't go in front of a judge in Florida or any other states I've lived and gotten a CCW permit.

Strictly for self/home defense and zombie murdering when the time comes...... :wacko:biggrin

More than likely, the folks who carry large amounts of cash on their person (jeweler's, etc) have good reason to carry.

my reason is to have something to give to an overly aggressive bum and/or meth addict on I-16 on/off ramps when i'm on my bike in Macon. it's only a matter of time before one crosses the line.

Damn! Macon has it bad like that? I have family in Dublin I see every other year at reunions. Coming from Miami, it's a huge difference. Nice and slow pace. Then again, I don't go to the "bad side of town" when I'm there. I can do that when I go to Miami for a visit.

Depends on where at in Macon, jsut like anywhere else.


It really isnt that bad, but there are some bums on the off ramps off I-16, and near the mall too.

all states vary and from what i hear new york is one of the harder ones....here in ohio i just had to take a $50 class..print an app. online, take it to the clerk where u pay speeding tickets and turn it in. they charged another $50 and fingerprinted me and printed one out right there..they run a background check and call u when u check out....i had mine in 4 days

i had 2 battery charges on my record, but they didnt mind those...only think ohio red flags is domestic violence and drug charges( not small possession, mostly lots of weight or trafficing charges..and unless you ever been in a mental institution your all good

u used to have to have it looked up in a box in your car or in plain sight, also you had to try and run if someone came in your house..also u could be charged with inducing panic if someone saw it on you...

couple months ago they passed castle doctrine and you can have it in unlocked glove box or center console chambered, if someone comes in your house u can shoot them and they have no right to sue you( finally how it should be), and if someone see's ur gun when u bend over under ur jacket or see's some printing under your shirt ur perfectly legal

very nice to carry here in ohio sounds like new york sucks

they let you carry with a criminal record????????????:banghead:wtf

Battery is a misdemeanor I think, and we can carry with misd here as well, just not felons

as long as you just hit them with your fist ur good...if u had anything in your hand u would be fucked....its not the people that try and get a ccw permit that they need to worry about.........

i also had resisting arrest charge on their too....clerk said it didnt matter as long as no domestic charges

NYS CCW by county.

Broome County

Cost: ~$120 for restricted, up to $370 for unrestricted

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) 3 years residence in the county.
3.) 4 references who have known you for 3 years and who have also lived in the county for 3 years.
4.) Background check, mental health check, & finger printing

Process Time: I was told 6 months, but I got mine in 5 weeks and 2 co-workers got theirs in 6-7 weeks, so its definitely less. It depends on how fast your references fill out their questionnaire and how long the judge wants to let the permits stack up till he signs them.

Restrictions: Almost all PP's are initially issued as "hunting & target shooting only." UPDATE: Now that we have a new county judge, he is allowing folks to get unrestricted permits. I wrote to the judge asking for an unrestricted, I got a letter back telling me to take a $250 8-hour safety course taught by the City of Binghamton Police Dept. I then wrote him again and was approved. My co-worker who was from Texas and took the pistol defense course in Rochester got approved for unrestricted without having to take the $250 course. YMMV. Expect it to take a few months to get an answer back from the new judge

Purchasing: Purchase ticket system: Buy pistol, seller give you gun info, go to sheriff's office and get info added to your permit for $3, wait 1-2 weeks for purchase ticket in the mail, then go pick up pistol. Your first pistol purchase ticket is pre-signed, meaning you can purchase it the day you get it added to your permit.

Personal Experience: Two older women do all the paperwork in the ID dept, they are super nice and know the drill. Deputy Brady Rozelle is the LEO overseeing PP's and is also very friendly, knowledgeable, and seems very pro-2nd amendment.

Where to go: Broome County Sheriff's office www.gobroomecounty.com/sheriff/SheriffID.php


Chenango County

Pickup application at the Chenango County Clerks office. 5 Court St. Norwich, NY

Cost: when I applied
Purchase application: $10.00
Fingerprints: $30.00 at Sheriff Office
Background Check: $74.00 NYS Department of Criminal Justice.
Photographs: $12.00 "Passport quality"
Amendment Fee: $3.00 This is to add or remove a pistol. Up to 3 additions/subtractions per amendment if transfers are with the same person/business
Total: $130 Probably more now.

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) 6 Months residence in the county.
3.) 4 references who have known you for 3 years
4.) Background check, mental health check, & finger printing
5.) 4 identical 2"x2" photos- they only use 3

Process Time: 3 to 9 months - I received mine in 6 weeks

Restrictions: Most permits are restricted. Not impossible to get un-restricted. Applicant typically will meet with Judge before he issues the permit. Handgun safety course required within one year. Restrictions like "pistol must be locked with a trigger lock or similar devise when not in use" will also be on permit, whether CCW or not.

Purchasing: Permit holder purchases pistol, goes to county clerks office and does an amendment, coupon is transferred to Judge for a signature, coupon is mailed to permit holder. Permit holder can then pickup the pistol. Friday must be the day he signs coupons. I've done amendments on Monday, Tuesday and Thursday. I always receive the signed coupon the following Monday. Co-registering is not a problem. No-coupon needed

Personal Experience: I've never had a problem making an amendment. Lots of people to help and I’ve never waited more than 5 mins and the amendment is usually done quickly. A new permit card is issued at each amendment. It's nice not to carry the same card with crossed out pistols, wrinkles and general wear from being in my wallet. The judge who oversaw issuing when I got my permit was more liberal. Everybody received an unrestricted permit unless you asked. He also pre-signed the coupons so you didn't have to wait. I miss those days.

Where to go: Chenango County Clerk's Office. No online information at this time


Duchess County

Cost: ~$20 + $99

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) 1/2 year residence in the county.
3.) 4 references who have known you for 1/2 year and who have also lived in the county for > 1/2 year.
4.) Background check, mental health check, & finger printing

Process Time: 3-6 months, may vary..

Restrictions: Permit not good in NYC. Unrestricted permit

Purchasing: Purchase ticket system: Buy pistol, seller give you gun info, go to sheriff's office and get info added to your permit for $3, wait 4-7 days for purchase ticket in the mail, then go pick up pistol.

Personal Experience: Duchess Co Pistol Permit staff gets three thumbs up.

Where to go: www.co.dutchess.ny.us/CountyGov/Departments/Sheriff/SHPistPermApp.htm#meeting


Monroe County

Cost:
Purchase application: $5.00
Fingerprints: $30.00 cash if Rochester resident, $15.00 cash if elsewhere in Monroe County
Background Check: $99.00
Photographs: $0.38 if you use a digital camera and online photo printer like walmart.com
Application Fee: $5.00
Total: $130-$140 plus parking

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) 6 Months residence in the county.
3.) 4 references who have known you for 3 years - If you have not lived in Monroe county for 3 years then you must provide 4 references from Monroe County that have known you as long as you have lived here. Also 3 additional notarized references from persons who live in the state or county where you previously lived.
4.) Background check, mental health check, & finger printing
5.) 4 identical 2"x2" photos
Process Time: 6 to 9 months

Restrictions: Currently the vast majority of permits being issued are non restricted.

Purchasing: Still in the process

Personal Experience: Still in the process...so far it sucks compared to when I lived in NH and could get a $10 permit good for 4 years in 2 days.

Where to go: Monroee County Clerk's Office www.monroecounty.gov/clerk-pistolpermits.php


Nassau County

Cost: $200 application fee. $94.25 for fingerprints (this went down from $99 since May when I applied)

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) 3 years residence in the county.
3.) 4 references who have known you for 3 years and who have also lived in the county for 3 years. Can't be current or retired LEO.
4.) Background check, mental health check & finger printing

Process Time: 6 months. So far I've been waiting just over 6, nothing yet.

Restrictions: I would assume that the vast majority are for Target\Hunting. There are new requirements for the business permit, they have been posted up on the website.

Purchasing: Need a non-specific weapon purchase document from the NCPD. It's good for the duration of the calendar year. You must appear at the PP section with the firearm purchased, the purchase document and a bill of sale within 10 days of purchase.

Personal Experience: Was expected to be treated like a future criminal, but the people were extremely nice and helpful and answered all of my questions.

Where to go: Nassau County Police Headquarters, 1490 Franklin Ave, Mineola, 11501 www.police.nassaucountyny.gov/pistol_application.htm


Niagara County

Cost: ~$200

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) 4 references who have known you for 5 (may be 3) years.
3.) Background check & finger printing

Process Time: I was told 2 - 3 months, but I got mine in 6 months. It depends on how fast your references fill out their questionnaire and how long the judge wants to let the permits stack up till he signs them. I also had a reference not return the survey, so that delayed me by 3 months. Once the surveys were taken care of it took about 2.5 months.

Restrictions: None. They told me that Niagara County (generally) will issue a permit. They also only issue unrestricted permits.

Purchasing: Take your purchase coupon (that comes with your permit) to the gun center. They take it, and give you gun info and the firearm. You then have 10 business days to register your gun with the permit office. Thats it.

Personal Experience: Patty is the clerk at the office. She is really friendly and really knows her stuff.

Where to go: Niagara County Court House in Lockport.


Oneida County

Cost: ???

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) 1 years residence in the county.
3.) Show proof that you have had previous formal handgun training within the last three years. ( A certificate or letter from a N.R.A. Basic Pistol shooting course OR Active military ID or recent discharge papers OR Active police officer status or recently retired Correction officer with current qualification card.

Process Time: ???

Restrictions: From the Website: To Receive a "full carry" license or "unrestricted" license It is solely the licensing officers decision as to whether the applicant has demonstrated proper cause for the issuance of a carry license. As per PL400.(2)(F). Although additional training may be personally helpful it is not required to receive a carry license.

Purchasing: ???

Where to go: Oneida County Office Building, 800 Park Ave., Utica, NY 13501. Office hours: 8:30 AM to 11:30 AM & 12:30 PM to 3:30 PM Monday - Friday. Phone: (315) 798-5821 www.ocgov.net/oneidacty/gov/dept/pistolpermits/PPpages/applinfo.htm

Onondaga County

Costs:
Application: $10
Application processing fee: $46.00
Fingerprinting fee: $94.25
Total application fee: $150.25
Amendment fees: flat $3.00/transaction

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) Resident of NYS/Onondaga County
3.) 4 references who live in Onondaga County
4.) Must attend a handgun safety course

Process Time: Can take up to 6 months and varies between license types. Onondaga is mostly electronic now, so on average it takes only a few weeks for approval. The exception is for an unrestricted license; it generally takes longer because it is under greater scrutiny.

Restrictions: Onondaga can issue a premise, a carry with regards to employment, and an unrestricted license. Like other counties Onondaga has its own license called a "Sportsman's." Essentially it is a full carry license that allows CCW while engaged in activities such as camping, hiking, hunting, target practice, and shooting sports. An unrestricted license is very difficult if not impossible to obtain.

Purchasing: Purchase ticket system. Buy your pistol at the dealer, fill out the 4473. Take the bill of sale to the Sheriff's office to have your license amended. Flat $3.00 fee regardless of how many guns are being added/removed. You receive a ticket signed by your issuing judge from the Sheriff's office. Take the ticket to your dealer to complete the transaction. It can be done as fast as you drive.

Other notes: Onondaga has 4 licensing judges. You never know who you're going to get when applying. Getting an unrestricted license in Onondaga is very difficult to do. If you apply for an unrestricted and are denied, you will default to a Sportsman's license if you are otherwise not prohibited from having a license.

Where to go: Onondaga County Sheriff's office website www.ongov.net/Sheriff/pistol.html


Putnam County

Cost: @$120

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) Must be Putnam resident for 6 months.
2.) 4 NY references who have known you for 3 years.
3.) Background check, mental health check, & finger printing

Process Time: It can take up to 4 months, but mine was done in about 10 weeks.

Restrictions: Initial licenses are "hunting & target shooting only." If you specifically ask for a license with no restrictions, i.e. 'full carry', you will have to go before one of the county judges and ask for it. Have no fear, the judge is a reasonable man.

Purchasing: Purchase ticket system: Buy pistol, seller give you gun info, go to sheriff's office and get info added to your permit for $3, wait 5 or so days and go pick up your coupon, or have it mailed to you. Your first pistol purchase ticket is pre-signed, meaning you can purchase it the day you get it added to your permit.

Personal Experience: Both the County Clerk's office and the Sheriff's department are friendly and helpful. There is no stigma attached to getting a pistol license in Putnam.

Where to go: Putnam County Sheriff's office www.putnamsheriff.com/modules/news/


Ulster County

Cost: ~$105

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) not sure about residency length
3.) 4 references
4.) Background check, mental health check, & finger printing

Process Time: i was told 6 months, took eight, with repeated trips to the pistol permit office asking the ladies for updates...they are really friendly atleast

Restrictions: none

Purchasing: Buy the pistol, bring a receipt to the office, and get the purchase card the same day

Personal Experience: The two women there are really friendly and patient. But, they werent exactly helpful after the 10th trip in to ask about it, i went in basically ever 2 wks from month 4 on. The judge apparently lost my application and a couple others, so it took 8 months, and a phone call from my uncle who was friends with the judge. Shame on me for not using that connection sooner

Where to go: Ulster County Sheriff's office

Wayne County

Cost: ~$130

Eligibility Requirements:
1.) 21 years old
2.) residence in the county.
3.) 4 references who also live in the county.
4.) Background check, mental health check, & finger printing
5.) Need to have bought or have a pistol to put on your permit when applying.

Process Time: 2 weeks. The woman at the Sheriff's Dept. (Lynn) is a doll and very helpful. You need to pay up front and do your fingerprints when you go in, plan on 45 mins. AFTER your printed and pay you get the paperwork which you'll need to return to them. The Sheriff's Dept. is in the town of Lyons as is the County Clerk.
Both are very helpful over the phone as well.

Restrictions: None... I don't know of anyone in Wayne county with a restriction.

Purchasing: You buy the weapon and take the paperwork to the County clerk. They give you another permit and you fill it out adding a new picture ($10 if you don't have one) for $3. It's goes before the judge who signs it and then they mail it to you. When you get it, the coupon and new permit are together and you take that and pick up your new gun. A new permit form is issued with every pistol.

Personal Experience: Great all around. It was a pleasure dealing with each of the people at the CC and Sheriff's dept. They all seem to be on board with the 2nd amendment and good people in general. Only complaint I could even begin to have would be a 2 week wait for one of my amendments, but that's the worst thing I could say, and the initial permit came in 2 weeks.