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Ive tried em all and love the metzler/pirelli's the most and Dunlop's the second...

As far as bang for the buck for a teackday tire, id jump all over the dunlops, cause i know theyve been blowing the 208GP As out by the trackside vendors for like 250 a set.

Pirellis for race tires for me though

Quick Toy said:

Ive tried em all and love the metzler/pirelli's the most and Dunlop's the second...

As far as bang for the buck for a teackday tire, id jump all over the dunlops, cause i know theyve been blowing the 208GP As out by the trackside vendors for like 250 a set.

Pirellis for race tires for me though



For me that's a big factor in the decision... I can get a set of 208 GP's for $249 plus tax. I think they're like $265 shipped! That's pretty cheap for track rubber... and I think I still prefer them. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Quig said:

First and foremost... I'm not a racer. I am becoming quite a track-day whore though. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif




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You don't need race rubber for trackdays. Even the fastest groups on trackdays will hold back a rider who is capable of taking advantage of race rubber. Stick with street stuff so you don't cycle em to death (like 8 times in a single day) since its likely yer not using warmers either.

ps--Dunlop

PDG said:


Quig said:

First and foremost... I'm not a racer. I am becoming quite a track-day whore though. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif




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You don't need race rubber for trackdays. Even the fastest groups on trackdays will hold back a rider who is capable of taking advantage of race rubber. Stick with street stuff so you don't cycle em to death (like 8 times in a single day) since its likely yer not using warmers either.

ps--Dunlop



Wow... You're a funny guy. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

I posted this thread in the "Club Racer" forum because I wanted the opinions of... ummm... Club Racers. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif

I'm sure you'd do fine racing on Street tires too. Hell, race tires aren't that necessary. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif



PDG said:
Even the fastest groups on trackdays will hold back a rider who is capable of taking advantage of race rubber.



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif What the hell are you talking about? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

hmm, tire choice is as personal as it gets. i dont have much experience with the pirelli/metzelers. but they are a little more nuetral since they arent as aggressively shaped as the dun's are. but a part of this shape leaves a little more available rubber to get on the pavement when leaned over. i might give the pirellis a fair try this coming season, but i love how predictable the dun's are. when they start to slide you can feel it and its fairly controlable.

what pdg meant by that last comment you quoted was. even the fastest guy at a trackday will hold back someone who is capable of using a race tire and its abilities. meaning the fastest trackday guy isnt even using a street tire to its full limits.

i cant say i agree with this 100%. on average yes. but there are some very fast guys that maybe used to race that run trackdays, or even guys who just do a stitload of trackdays who could use a race tire. imo, street tires are junk. although, supposedly, a great racer will only improve his lap times by a couple seconds at best on an average track from a street tire to a race tire. (i have an article written by steve brubaker(i think its brubaker) a dunlop rep. and that is what he basically said) i cant say i buy this entirely either, but maybe its a psychological thing. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

What I'm saying is that there's is too much traffic even in the fastest of trackdays to be able to ride a bike to its limits to the point where tires come into play.

I mean, whats the point of your question? You just want to know what types of tires racers use so you can go ride trackdays? Its like comparing apples and oranges.

So, sure, go ahead, buy some nice sticky race tires and ride around at a mediocre pace. Maybe you should get some slicks as well. Make sure you run the right pressures too cuz its gonna make a huge difference. Anything I can help you with? Maybe help you figure out how to use your laptimer so you can see at what point you got held up in traffic during each lap?

Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder about posers who like to do all these crazy 'mods' to their bike and then find the need to ask the 'racers' what they use cuz they clearly have to have it. I deal with this all year long with newbie monkeys who show up for trackdays and/or race school. Yes, you maybe the 1% who's faster than the rest of the squids out there but you still have the other 99% clogging up the track.

bmfgsxr said:
i cant say i agree with this 100%. on average yes. but there are some very fast guys that maybe used to race that run trackdays, or even guys who just do a stitload of trackdays who could use a race tire.



BMF-what i mean is, for example, go to a track day at Loudon--do it on your racebike on brand new race rubber. Guaranteed you'll never crack below a 1:20 at the best cuz you'll find yourself going into corners and finding five guys parked in front of you, or some other dude riding so eratic you don't wanna get near him.

Happens everytime, I do about 3-4 trackdays there a year. Think of it like race practice, even the fastest guys in expert blue are getting held up by 'us'.

PDG said:

What I'm saying is that there's is too much traffic even in the fastest of trackdays to be able to ride a bike to its limits to the point where tires come into play.

I mean, whats the point of your question? You just want to know what types of tires racers use so you can go ride trackdays? Its like comparing apples and oranges.

So, sure, go ahead, buy some nice sticky race tires and ride around at a mediocre pace. Maybe you should get some slicks as well. Make sure you run the right pressures too cuz its gonna make a huge difference. Anything I can help you with? Maybe help you figure out how to use your laptimer so you can see at what point you got held up in traffic during each lap?

Yes, I have a chip on my shoulder about posers who like to do all these crazy 'mods' to their bike and then find the need to ask the 'racers' what they use cuz they clearly have to have it. I deal with this all year long with newbie monkeys who show up for trackdays and/or race school. Yes, you maybe the 1% who's faster than the rest of the squids out there but you still have the other 99% clogging up the track.



I'll tell ya what then. Why don't you take that chip that's on your shoulder and shove it straight up your ass. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif

Sorry, but I asked an honest question and prefaced it with the fact that I knew I was in the 'Race Forum'. I simply asked the for the opinions of guys that are truly fast.

What did I get in return? A fuckin bad-attitude... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif Take your goddamned bad-attitude out on someone else. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

I know I'm not up to a race-pace, but guess what? I'm not a racer. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif And I'm not claiming to be the top 1% of trackday riders either... but guess what? I hold my own... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

I don't know how your trackday's work in the Northeast but here, tracktime is not necessarily a 'mediocre' pace. I guarantee some of the guys I've spent and entire day on the track with would absolutely mop the floor with you.

Do me a favor... go talk down to someone else. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif




BMF: Thanks man... that's all I wanted, an opinion. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Quig, yer still not hearing me.

The problem here is that its a trackday.

Its has nothing to do with how fast you or your buddies are.

Its ALL about how fast the REST of the participants are (or NOT are)

Quit taking this so personal.

PDG said:


bmfgsxr said:
i cant say i agree with this 100%. on average yes. but there are some very fast guys that maybe used to race that run trackdays, or even guys who just do a stitload of trackdays who could use a race tire.



BMF-what i mean is, for example, go to a track day at Loudon--do it on your racebike on brand new race rubber. Guaranteed you'll never crack below a 1:20 at the best cuz you'll find yourself going into corners and finding five guys parked in front of you, or some other dude riding so eratic you don't wanna get near him.

Happens everytime, I do about 3-4 trackdays there a year. Think of it like race practice, even the fastest guys in expert blue are getting held up by 'us'.



yes. i get the point now. that is how it is at loudon for sure. it may not be the same with the trackdaz org. that these guys are in. it all depends on how the groups are set up. i cant really comment since im not out there. so lets solve this and get pgrider in on a trackday and see what he says. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif either that, or quig you have to start racing and give us a comparo.

your right though pdg, most guys at trackdays are pretty slow (not that there is anything wrong with that at all) but there are some fast guys too, and those fast guys could very well get held up in every corner by the slower guys and therefor not be able to take advantage of a race tire. i dont know cause im not out there.

PDG said:

Quig, yer still not hearing me.

The problem here is that its a trackday.

Its has nothing to do with how fast you or your buddies are.

Its ALL about how fast the REST of the participants are (or NOT are)

Quit taking this so personal.



Untill you've come and done a trackday with us you are not qualified to be making judgements of any kind on this matter. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Like I said, trackdays in the Northeast may be much different than they are here. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif

btw: It's not entirely 'what you said' it was 'how you said it'. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Quig said:

btw: It's not entirely 'what you said' it was 'how you said it'. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif



East coast 'aggressiveness' meets west coast 'laid backness'

bmfgsxr said:


PDG said:


bmfgsxr said:
i cant say i agree with this 100%. on average yes. but there are some very fast guys that maybe used to race that run trackdays, or even guys who just do a stitload of trackdays who could use a race tire.



BMF-what i mean is, for example, go to a track day at Loudon--do it on your racebike on brand new race rubber. Guaranteed you'll never crack below a 1:20 at the best cuz you'll find yourself going into corners and finding five guys parked in front of you, or some other dude riding so eratic you don't wanna get near him.

Happens everytime, I do about 3-4 trackdays there a year. Think of it like race practice, even the fastest guys in expert blue are getting held up by 'us'.



yes. i get the point now. that is how it is at loudon for sure. it may not be the same with the trackdaz org. that these guys are in. it all depends on how the groups are set up. i cant really comment since im not out there. so lets solve this and get pgrider in on a trackday and see what he says. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif either that, or quig you have to start racing and give us a comparo.

your right though pdg, most guys at trackdays are pretty slow (not that there is anything wrong with that at all) but there are some fast guys too, and those fast guys could very well get held up in every corner by the slower guys and therefor not be able to take advantage of a race tire. i dont know cause im not out there.



I actually spent all day yesterday riding with Paul. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif We had a great time. He helped me get up to speed at Willow Springs as it was my first time there. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

I wish I could start racing... I have enough trouble affording my hobbies right now. Adding racing would not be a good idea. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Hey Quig, Check out www.tl1000.com (http://www.tl1000.com), they have a pretty good review from Performance Bikes. Granted the review is now 2 years old but it might help. I personally run Pirelli/Metzler rubber, generally slicks. Haven't had any problems with traction. Try the SC1(supersoft) front, SC2(soft) rear. The front's last along time.

PDG has a good point though. I ran several trackdays before I started racing. First race I cut 3.5sec. off my best previous lap at a trackday. I personally can't get overly motivated to run fast times at trackdays. Just us them for improving my skills and finding out what the bike will do. Seen too many "Fast guys on the street" run in the advanced group and plug things up. I work corners for an outfit in AZ and we always see atleast one guy in way over their head.

Personally I think it's great that your trying to improve your skills by riding the track. Safest place to do it. Don't be afraid to ask for help.

Hey Quig, Check out www.tl1000.com (http://www.tl1000.com), they have a pretty good review from Performance Bikes. Granted the review is now 2 years old but it might help. I personally run Pirelli/Metzler rubber, generally slicks. Haven't had any problems with traction. Try the SC1(supersoft) front, SC2(soft) rear. The front's last along time.

PDG has a good point though. I ran several trackdays before I started racing. First race I cut 3.5sec. off my best previous lap at a trackday. I personally can't get overly motivated to run fast times at trackdays. Just us them for improving my skills and finding out what the bike will do. Seen too many "Fast guys on the street" run in the advanced group and plug things up. I work corners for an outfit in AZ and we always see atleast one guy in way over their head.

Personally I think it's great that your trying to improve your skills by riding the track. Safest place to do it. Don't be afraid to ask for help.

Philbie said:

Hey Quig, Check out www.tl1000.com (http://www.tl1000.com), they have a pretty good review from Performance Bikes. Granted the review is now 2 years old but it might help. I personally run Pirelli/Metzler rubber, generally slicks. Haven't had any problems with traction. Try the SC1(supersoft) front, SC2(soft) rear. The front's last along time.

PDG has a good point though. I ran several trackdays before I started racing. First race I cut 3.5sec. off my best previous lap at a trackday. I personally can't get overly motivated to run fast times at trackdays. Just us them for improving my skills and finding out what the bike will do. Seen too many "Fast guys on the street" run in the advanced group and plug things up. I work corners for an outfit in AZ and we always see atleast one guy in way over their head.

Personally I think it's great that your trying to improve your skills by riding the track. Safest place to do it. Don't be afraid to ask for help.






Thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it... (both times http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif ).

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You got me there, thought my computer froze up and I kept hitting the continue button. You lucky you didn't have to read it 10 times.

How is the Buttonwillow track? Heard it's really bumpy. I'm gonna try and run the whole series next year, money permitting.

But check out the review. The street Metzlers (Rennsports) did really well and I believe they are cheaper than the race stuff. The only tires (in race compounds) you may have trouble with would be Michelins. You really need to have warmers for them. Stick really good when up to temp. but takes them a while to get there. The Dunlop and Pirelli tires heat up quickly. Atleast that's what they tell me.

You may have to read this twice. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif

I like the D208GP's myself.

but why spend the money on a race tire that he is not going to be able to use them and then since no tire warmers they will only be good for one track day because of all the heat cycles. Better to save his money and get other go fast goodies.

Philbie said:

You got me there, thought my computer froze up and I kept hitting the continue button. You lucky you didn't have to read it 10 times.

How is the Buttonwillow track? Heard it's really bumpy. I'm gonna try and run the whole series next year, money permitting.

But check out the review. The street Metzlers (Rennsports) did really well and I believe they are cheaper than the race stuff. The only tires (in race compounds) you may have trouble with would be Michelins. You really need to have warmers for them. Stick really good when up to temp. but takes them a while to get there. The Dunlop and Pirelli tires heat up quickly. Atleast that's what they tell me.

You may have to read this twice. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif



It happens... I just had to give you a hard time about it. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I really like Buttonwillow. It is a little bumpy but nothing terrible. Their are few bumps that bother me at all. Overall I absolutely love that track, but I'm sure mainly because that's where I have the most track-time and thus feel the most comfortable. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I think I've read that review but I'll definately have another look. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Thanks! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

Adam, why dont u do what i do??? I run just as fast at a conjested trackday as I do on an open track at a non race pace....I use the squids to make me faster, and teach me how to jump onto another line for passing.


I would never ever ever recommend to someone to run a street compound on the track though..ive seen too many newbies on new ones lose it..if your gonna get serious into trackdays, get some race tires or someone's takeoffs, and then run em on the street when your done.

In fairness to what's been said, there's some Fast mofo's that do trackdays here on the warm coast.... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

I haven't tried them yet, but a good friend of mine has been using the diablo corsas for trackdays. He says they have excelent traction, but are good for several trackdays-even on his 161hp '03 grand! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif No, he isn't slow either...but they do heat cycle better, but offer most of the traction that the renn's/sc's do. I think I am going to try them out first thing next season-I think he's been getting them from ron ayers for like $265 shipped?? He did mention that they turn in a tad slower than the sc's, but the added benefit of great traction but long lasting far out-weighed the slight negative handling.

-Spooner

bikergrl said:

but why spend the money on a race tire that he is not going to be able to use them and then since no tire warmers they will only be good for one track day because of all the heat cycles. Better to save his money and get other go fast goodies.



Please show me the "Go Fast Goodies" that will improve your laptimes and confidence while dragging your knee in a corner. If you think it's worth saving $50-100 by using street rubber then you are probably gonna have to spend the saved cash replacing your stock bodywork and paying your medical deductable. Not that you can't crash on race rubber but is it worth it? Eliminate one of the most obvious cause of crashes, loss of traction. Do you wear leather and a helmet on the street? If not, you haven't hit the ground hard enough. Strictly my opinion. Just what the man asked for.

Quig,

Don't listen to PDG....he's been on crack all weekend and is just being....well....PDG. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Don't worry about the Metzler being shot after one track day. The last set on my 750 did a full FUSA weekend with a Thursday practice and then 276 track miles during a track day. Even in the fast group at the track day where I was going about 8/10th of a race pace I never had a problem with traction. If your not using them as street tires after the track day, you should be able to get an easy 3 or 4 track days out of a set.

As for Dun's.....don't know.....never used them.

njracer

njracer said:

Even in the fast group at the track day where I was going about 8/10th of a race pace I never had a problem with traction

njracer



8/10 of who's race pace? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

This from a guy who went out with 50 psi in his tires. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

PDG said:


njracer said:

Even in the fast group at the track day where I was going about 8/10th of a race pace I never had a problem with traction

njracer



8/10 of who's race pace? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

This from a guy who went out with 50 psi in his tires. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif



and I didn't even crash!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif

btw - 8/10th of my race pace at Summit...cracka http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

njracer

I just ran a set of diablo corsa's for doing track days at thunderhill. Love them http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif The pirelli rep said that they will last a good 4 or more hard track days. Thats on a 1k too. They are completely predictable and will last a lot longer than a set of GP's. They stick way better than street tires too. Just my opinion, maybe you should check them out.

If tire heat cycles are a real issue, then may I suggest buying a Durometer. It's a hardness tester and can give you some idea when the rubber has be cycled too much.

Jesus. You guys are all a bit teste...

I am with PDG here a bit. I have taken part in quite a few track days for what I always hoped to be used for set-up. The only set-up I could get would be at either one lap in maybe 10 at close to full pace or, getting a set-up for endurance racing in passing slower people.

One of the worse crashes I have had has been from a track day where the genious who was running the thing allowed street squirrels who think they can run at a "fast pace" to ride in the racers only group. Came up on the guy and spooked the Christ out of him on the speed difference and BOOM! I lost 4 minutes of my life that I can't remember.

What is so funny is the fact that the street guy Quip (sp?) saying that West coast track day guys are faster than East coast track day guys. What? Trust me, take a lap time of your fastest lap of the day and I guarantee it isn't even a close AMA back of the grid Buell time. Basically, the bragging stops in this forum. Mostly racers come here and if you street guys are going to dish out the shit - forget it. Your 80% ability is probably 40% of the slowest racer in here. Get my drift?

Using track days for set-up is bogus. Track days are great to shake motors down and dial in F.I. That's about it.

As far as your tire question, don't ask here. Your asking guys who tear the piss out of tires at a pace well beyond a track day. We say Pirelli or Dunlop and you street guys think what we run is what you need to run when in essence, all you need is a good street tire and the willingness to learn.

Buy a set of Pirelli Diablo Corsa front with the std. compound rear. Trust me on this - it's probably the best tire combo to use for track days. You could go to a Corsa rear, but the number of cycles you are putting it through will destroy the thing in one day. The other combo will last you much longer and you'll get much better results.

Now, go ask the guys in the Track Day forum and see what they say. It's unfortunate, but most street guys think they need race tires for track days and big hp to go fast. Those guys just don't get it. They could go out on BBoz's RC and still only pull a second or two faster than they have ever gone. Get my point? It ain't hp and race tires that make you faster. Want to get faster? Buy a clapped out F3 and go out on Bridgestone street tires. Learn to ride that combo fast and you'll jump on a properly set-up machine and smoke. It's about ability - not sticky tires and a big motor...

Not that I'm fast or anything but I just put on a set of Pirelli Diablo Corsa's and they are pretty nice. I tend to agree that race tires are a waste for most people who do track days although I don't know how fast you are Quig. You may actually need them. Honestly, I would give the Diablo Corsa's a shot. They are pretty nice. All the control riders with Team Pro Motion here on the East coast use them and they are honking pretty good.

wow i missed all this fun.......

i have heat cycled my 208's 37 times over 3 weekends .......... not good but they still worked.....


and i have also raced my 1000 with bt012's on it at homestead..... and came in 8th... was fun..

it truely is not the tires that make the difference...

but for the extra money i would get a race tire just to eliminate that factor and a trackday guy can cycle the shit out of them all he wants and they will still work fine for trackdays....

but there is no comparision of a FAST trackday and even an amature level race...... none at all.......i could ride circles around a gssxr1000 on a track day on an SV !!! except that gms1000 guy..pain in the ass.. hehehe

Lizard 1 said:

Jesus. You guys are all a bit teste...

I am with PDG here a bit. I have taken part in quite a few track days for what I always hoped to be used for set-up. The only set-up I could get would be at either one lap in maybe 10 at close to full pace or, getting a set-up for endurance racing in passing slower people.

One of the worse crashes I have had has been from a track day where the genious who was running the thing allowed street squirrels who think they can run at a "fast pace" to ride in the racers only group. Came up on the guy and spooked the Christ out of him on the speed difference and BOOM! I lost 4 minutes of my life that I can't remember.

What is so funny is the fact that the street guy Quip (sp?) saying that West coast track day guys are faster than East coast track day guys. What? Trust me, take a lap time of your fastest lap of the day and I guarantee it isn't even a close AMA back of the grid Buell time. Basically, the bragging stops in this forum. Mostly racers come here and if you street guys are going to dish out the shit - forget it. Your 80% ability is probably 40% of the slowest racer in here. Get my drift?

Using track days for set-up is bogus. Track days are great to shake motors down and dial in F.I. That's about it.

As far as your tire question, don't ask here. Your asking guys who tear the piss out of tires at a pace well beyond a track day. We say Pirelli or Dunlop and you street guys think what we run is what you need to run when in essence, all you need is a good street tire and the willingness to learn.

Buy a set of Pirelli Diablo Corsa front with the std. compound rear. Trust me on this - it's probably the best tire combo to use for track days. You could go to a Corsa rear, but the number of cycles you are putting it through will destroy the thing in one day. The other combo will last you much longer and you'll get much better results.

Now, go ask the guys in the Track Day forum and see what they say. It's unfortunate, but most street guys think they need race tires for track days and big hp to go fast. Those guys just don't get it. They could go out on BBoz's RC and still only pull a second or two faster than they have ever gone. Get my point? It ain't hp and race tires that make you faster. Want to get faster? Buy a clapped out F3 and go out on Bridgestone street tires. Learn to ride that combo fast and you'll jump on a properly set-up machine and smoke. It's about ability - not sticky tires and a big motor...





Finally, someone who GETS what I'm trying to say.

Thanx Liz.

Lots of disputing going on here.


I think we can all agree that riding a motorcycle is about pushing limits. Not the limits of the machine or the tires but rather our own limits. In order for us to push those limits we need confidence. If getting tires that stick good (lets not have arguements about Quig being able to heat them up or not as I assure you he can) or a machine setup that inspires confidence is what gives us the ability to push our limits then so be it. I have a 2001 RC51 that is a machine that has capabilities way beyond mine as it is. I am used to well tuned suspension and because of that I do not have the confidence in the suspension to push it as fast in the turns as I can my well tuned CBR 600 F3. After i get done droppingnearly a grand on an Ohlins shock I should come in here and post it to let you guys get all butt hurt that a track day "poser" http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif like me is buying race parts that you high and mighty types think we don't need. That is just me. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif


For all you that offered good advice to Quig, thanks for remembering that you were not always as fast as you are now and at one point you probably gained something from those more expierenced than you.


For all of those who gave Quig the ration of shit that he clearly did not come in here and ask for, get off your pedestal, it is obvious why you race, it isnt becasue you have to many unbroken humble bones in your body.


I know if I was friends with PDG I wouldn't come in here and admit it after the bullshit posts you have put up.


high and mighty pricks http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif

let it fly boys! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

I have come to a final conclusion:

Those who don't race and only do trackdays DON'T GET IT. Those who only race and don't do trackdays DON'T GET IT.

Nobody here is saying anything about abilities, or who's better, etc. The simple fact is that you won't be able to tell the difference between race and street rubber at a trackday--regardless of who you are.

Why? Because NOBODY is able to go fast enough during a track day to notice the difference. Yes, I know yer fast, but trust us--you won't notice. You came here to listen to a racer's opinion--THIS IS THE OPINION. Quit arguing against it.

For the non-racer types who continue to insist that I'm a dick and how wrong I am-- Its clear that you have no idea on what you are talking about. Does it me better than you? No. But you are all commenting on matters for which you do not understand (please, get off the pedestal and comprehend that--you DON'T GET IT).

I'm not trying to put anybody down here. M/C racing and doing trackdays are completely different beasts and have nothing in common nor does any advice, equipment, setup, talent cross from one realm to the other.

Bottom line--to get the best opinions on trackdays and products/setup, etc--you want to ask habitual trackday riders, NOT racers.

Maybe things are different back east, but our trackdays (Hey Philbie!) include the fastest of club racers, including some AMA names. And as I'm always timing people out there - I know it's quite common for them to run at or near their race pace at times. So I don't quite understand the line that PDG is drawing between trackdays and race events, especially concerning the need for good rubber. The main difference between the two out here, in the fast group, is that you don't get contingency, prize money, or a plaque for your efforts on trackdays. I personally don't think the top names at our trackday events would be getting away with what they do on D208ZRs or Metzeler M-1s.

You guys are laughing at the idea that a trackday & race pace could be nearly the same... you think it's nonsense that your trackdays could be different from others out here. Well I'm here to tell you - you are wrong. Period. Our fast group is always fast, and our fastest riders are always pushing their limits out there with no real problem from traffic. Our groups are small. And if someone does sneak in & get in over their head in the fast group, we bump 'em down.

And if you are a racer or aspiring racer, and if you have the $$$ for it, it would make sense to me to practice on the same tire you're going to race on. Especially when you consider the suspension changes that naturally go with switching different brands/compounds.

Sure - it helps to know how to find a tire's limits - and by starting out on race rubber you're possibly robbing yourself of this unless you're hella-fast out of the gate. But IMO, just making a sweeping declaration that race rubber on trackdays is overkill is kind of silly.

Lizard 1 said:

What is so funny is the fact that the street guy Quip (sp?) saying that West coast track day guys are faster than East coast track day guys. What? Trust me, take a lap time of your fastest lap of the day and I guarantee it isn't even a close AMA back of the grid Buell time. Basically, the bragging stops in this forum. Mostly racers come here and if you street guys are going to dish out the shit - forget it. Your 80% ability is probably 40% of the slowest racer in here. Get my drift?




I'll go ahead and recognize you as the second arrogant dumb-fuck in this thread. Thanks for stopping in. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

First, it's "Quig" jack-ass. Learn to read please... this is a text-based medium. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif Which takes me to my next point... Maybe if you could read you would have better understood my previous posts. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

That being said, please quote me where I said that West Coast Track-Day guys are faster than East Coast guys? I simply said that you fuckers haven't been to one of our trackdays and you're assuming that they are slow. Am I claiming they are race-pace? Fuck-No!!! Jesus, man... I've been clear in each post. It's you simple minded fuck-sticks that have fucked this thread up. It's not my fault for coming in here and asking a simple question. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wait.gif

Do everyone a favor and get off your goddamned soap-box. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif


Thanks again to those of you who gave opinions/advice/recommendations without being arrogant assholes. It's appreciated. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

LeanAngle said:

Maybe things are different back east, but our trackdays (Hey Philbie!) include the fastest of club racers, including some AMA names.




Care to name a few? Our trackdays are just a chock full of the fastest and greatest as well--but I can clearly see is that they're not running even close to their full pace.

Quig--you DID compare West to East when you said you knew guys out on the West coast that would mop me up and that West Coast track days are much much faster than we realize.

What I'm also seeing here is that the two biggest 'dicks' are myself and Lizard, also the two most seasoned racers offering advice on this thread. Guess we don't know shit.

I don't do much posting here, more reading then anything, but I have to say that this is getting pretty ridiculous. Everyone has made their point, so let's move on.

PDG said:
Care to name a few? Our trackdays are just a chock full of the fastest and greatest as well--but I can clearly see is that they're not running even close to their full pace.




Mark Ledesma (AMA Formula Extreme)... consistenly runs within 0-2 seconds off his race pace every trackday event.

Scott Jensen (AMA Superbike)... Put down the unofficial track record (new AMP track in West Phoenix) during a trackday.

That's two of many.

PDG said:


LeanAngle said:

Maybe things are different back east, but our trackdays (Hey Philbie!) include the fastest of club racers, including some AMA names.




Care to name a few? Our trackdays are just a chock full of the fastest and greatest as well--but I can clearly see is that they're not running even close to their full pace.

Quig--you DID compare West to East when you said you knew guys out on the West coast that would mop me up and that West Coast track days are much much faster than we realize.

What I'm also seeing here is that the two biggest 'dicks' are myself and Lizard, also the two most seasoned racers offering advice on this thread. Guess we don't know shit.



Ahhh, we meet again. Let me clear things up for you dim-wit. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Numero Uno: No, I'm not going to start name-dropping. That will take this mess in a whole different direction. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Numero Dos: I simply said I've ridden with guys that would mop you up. I did not say that as a general rule that West-Coast guys would mop you up. Notice the distinction between the two. I also never said that West-Coast Track-Days are faster than you realize. I did say that you are assuming that they are slow and congested. Until you come out and ride with us... you are just ASSuming. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Numero Tres: Accomplished "Club-Racers" or not... You are both being dicks- plain and simple. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif I've never said you don't know shit. I guarantee you know more and are faster than I. No argument there. I know my place on the race-track. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif ... A man's gotta know his limitations. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I second the notion that PDG is a dick! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

But the little prick (not biggest dick) knows what he is talking about....well almost....except that I'm a more seasoned racer (read older and doing it longer but still slower than him at Daytona and NHIS).

Quig, FWIW - since your riding a 1000, I would go with DOT race rubber.....you WILL not use it to it's potential but "I" would want the best rubber $$$ can buy just for peace-O-mind and to keep my old slow ass off the ground.

OK....NOW......back to work for me! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

njracer

BTW - please play nice guys or I'll have the grizzly one take care of ya'll......

wow

Quig, get whatevre the hell you want. if you don't have a problem changing wheels or tires for your trackdays, get race tires.

on my GSXR750, I have used both the Pirelli and Dunlop DOT's. they are both good, the Pirelli's seem to turn in quicker, but the Dunlops are more predictable

for ~$250 a set, any race tire would be great... slicks will last you longer than the DOT's as well.

on the TZ I've only run Dunlop slicks, they rock

Good lord, poor guy is catching so much grief for asking an irrelevant question. give him a break.
Quig, don't take all this too heart, sorta dig in an grasp what Lizard1 and PDg are saying.... you asked about tire preference, in my opinion dunlops are very predictable to the end, the will slide very predictably, something that is diffenrent on the pirelli's once they go, they are gone. Now we'll combine that with advice... does that matter for you? not really since you, or any other track day goer will push those tires to that level, not because of ability, but because of traffic on the track, I understand that you would like to get the best proven tire, that's why you are asking us but it won't help you. what i would recommend is to buy 3 sets of semi decent take offs (dunlops) and use them until there's nothing to use.
if you have any questions or wanna ask anything pm me.

for the rest give him a break. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

gixxerfever said:

Good lord, poor guy is catching so much grief for asking an irrelevant question. give him a break.
Quig, don't take all this too heart, sorta dig in an grasp what Lizard1 and PDg are saying.... you asked about tire preference, in my opinion dunlops are very predictable to the end, the will slide very predictably, something that is diffenrent on the pirelli's once they go, they are gone. Now we'll combine that with advice... does that matter for you? not really since you, or any other track day goer will push those tires to that level, not because of ability, but because of traffic on the track, I understand that you would like to get the best proven tire, that's why you are asking us but it won't help you. what i would recommend is to buy 3 sets of semi decent take offs (dunlops) and use them until there's nothing to use.
if you have any questions or wanna ask anything pm me.

for the rest give him a break. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif



Quig........don't listen to fever (aka - crash test dummie) http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

njracer

njracer said:

But the little prick (not biggest dick) knows what he is talking about





OMG--i think that was actually a compliment from NJ_RACER!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Stir, stir, strir http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif... Right Fever and njracer?

Thanks for the help guys. I appreciate it. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

PDG said:


njracer said:

But the little prick (not biggest dick) knows what he is talking about





OMG--i think that was actually a compliment from NJ_RACER!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif



A little of both....still called you a "little prick"....guess I should have gone with "tiny prick"! LOL http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Even though your and ass....and a huge ass at that....you still have a clue....to bad your slow!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

njracer

Quig, I really like the Pirelli/Metzellers SC1/SC2 combo..... but I would suggest trying the Diablo corsas as maybe a cheaper alternitive.

Be nice kids, There are a lot of really rude responces to a guy asking an opinion on tires.

By the way, I usally do Cornerspeed trackdays at VIR. I have been to several that the "racer group" consisted of 7 riders on a 2.47 mile track.

Those riders were:

Lee Acree
Scott Carpenter
Russell Macecar
Terry Evens
Chris Normand
Brian Kcraget
etc.....

Needless to say it was not hard to find room on the track to run really fast. To say that you can't run fast at a track day because there is no room and there are to many slow people is silly.

PDG you are a dick sometimes! I like the hating poser statement, because you are the biggest one. I know what you are saying about trackdays, you do most of the school ones so they suck. There are others that you can ride at race speed. To tell someone to use street tires is messed up. I seen a lot of people crash because of them. The race tire will give you the confidence to push harder. I use them on my street bike and they stick like glue, so I would not worry about heat cycles. Oh yeah Pirelli! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

njracer said:

....to bad your slow!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

njracer



now i know yer not serious as i hand your ass to you 9 outa 10 times.

And I HOPE you get a 600 next season so I can have more chances to show you. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

tlrmike said:

PDG you are a dick somtimes! I like the hating poser statement, because you are the biggest one. I know what you are saying about trackdays, you do most of the school ones so they suck. There are others that you can ride at race speed. To tell someone to use street tires is messed up. I seen a lot of people crash because of them. The race tire will give you the confidence to push harder. I use them on my street bike and they stick like glue, so I would not worry about heat cycles. Oh yeah Pirelli! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif



uh, ya, you're in the 'know' here. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

PDG said:


njracer said:

....to bad your slow!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

njracer



now i know yer not serious as i hand your ass to you 9 outa 10 times.

And I HOPE you get a 600 next season so I can have more chances to show you. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Hey....I'm still faster than you at Summit...and that's all I got! And when ya beat me when I have a 600, I'll have the following excuses:

1. I'm EVEN older this year.
2. I'm even slower this year
3. Your bike has way more HP than my "quazi race/street bike
4. You're on slicks and I'm on DOT's
5. My mom said if I crash her bike she'll kick my ass and ground me for a week.

The list will be endless....but your still slow! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif OK....OK.....your one of the faster guys on this board at your home track but in the classes you race.......you finish where I finish.....at the back BABY!!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

njracer

PDG said:


tlrmike said:

PDG you are a dick somtimes! I like the hating poser statement, because you are the biggest one. I know what you are saying about trackdays, you do most of the school ones so they suck. There are others that you can ride at race speed. To tell someone to use street tires is messed up. I seen a lot of people crash because of them. The race tire will give you the confidence to push harder. I use them on my street bike and they stick like glue, so I would not worry about heat cycles. Oh yeah Pirelli! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif



uh, ya, you're in the 'know' here. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif


More then you think! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Anyone care to notice how myself and Liz aren't slinging insults and calling names but explaining ourselves while the others are just busy calling us dicks, slow, assholes, etc.

I'm so glad maturity is dominating here.

hey i feel left out here


fever, njracer and pdg are all jackasses... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif does that help..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Since I'm not into peter gazing I think I'll leave before some of you guys start pulling your dicks out and putting them on the table.




PDG you might want to leave for different reasons. 8=D


and take your pedestal with you.

PDG said:

Anyone care to notice how myself and Liz aren't slinging insults and calling names but explaining ourselves while the others are just busy calling us dicks, slow, assholes, etc.

I'm so glad maturity is dominating here.



I hope I didn't "hurted" your feelings. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif I'm locked in my basement and have nobody to talk to.... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif

Not to mention...that I'm slow and old and only getting slower and older!!!!

njracer

BTW - dave...you're an ass muncher!!!

njracer said:

I hope I didn't "hurted" your feelings. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif I'm locked in my basement and have nobody to talk to.... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif

Not to mention...that I'm slow and old and only getting slower and older!!!!

njracer

BTW - dave...you're an ass muncher!!!





And that exactly what I'm talking about NJ. All the racers in here are just busting balls, bench racing and doing some trash talk. We blow it off and know it doesn't matter until the flag drops.

The non racers are taking everything personal and serious, puffing up their chests. Exactly the mentality I see at trackdays and race schools, " . . . grnt, grnt, me faster than you, me better . . . "

PDG said:


njracer said:

I hope I didn't "hurted" your feelings. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif I'm locked in my basement and have nobody to talk to.... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif

Not to mention...that I'm slow and old and only getting slower and older!!!!

njracer

BTW - dave...you're an ass muncher!!!







And that exactly what I'm talking about NJ. All the racers in here are just busting balls, bench racing and doing some trash talk. We blow it off and know it doesn't matter until the flag drops.

The non racers are taking everything personal and serious, puffing up their chests. Exactly the mentality I see at trackdays and race schools, " . . . grnt, grnt, me faster than you, me better . . . "



That's it.....{I QUIT}.....selling it all and becoming a man whore!!!!! This racing bs is just too much for me....I just can't take the pressure anymore....I JUST CAN'T!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif

njracer

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That's it.....{I QUIT}.....selling it all and becoming a man whore!!!!! This racing bs is just too much for me....I just can't take the pressure anymore....I JUST CAN'T!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif

njracer

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same here
i'll just go back to being a man whore
then again i havent really started racing that much http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Why bash a guy for asking a simple question? Check out some of the other topics in this forum, do they have anything at all to do with racing?

Quig,
I started Doing trackdays at Loudon in '01 on a '99 R1. I used street tires which I did spin up just about every lap. In '02 I switched to Rennsport race for my '02 GSXR1000. Did I spin them up? No, but they gave me much confidence. I thought I was going fast, but I was actually about 6 sec. slower than my best times this year. Get a good set of race tires.......

Now, as far as people talking shit, because they're "experienced racers". If I remember correctly, I was also talked down to when I made a comment about shooting for PDG's fastest lap (17's at the time). Being my first year of racing, I just wanted to set some goals for myself and the reaction I got for mentioning it in this forum, is pretty similar to what your getting. Don't make the same mistake I did, by letting it bother you. These are a bunch of people behind keyboards. Some of these things would not be said to your face, trust me.

It's pretty funny, now that I do 15's and won about 15 races in my first year, people say it's the bike. But yet when they talk on this forum, they say that Loudon is not a horsepower track.

peace
GMS1000
ex trackday poser........

Thanks GMS. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Don't worry, I'm not letting PDG get to me. Not a bit. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

Later, --Quig
*Current trackday poser* http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

First off, QUIG, I don't remember calling you names and slaming you around like you have so 7th graderlike done with me.

You IN FACT did compare West to East and therefore sorta insulted us East coast guys. I have, in fact raced out West and yes, there were a few fast guys, but we aren't sitting here discussing which racer is faster or what they did at a track day. Remember one thing, track days can be one of two types. 1) A day established by a group or an individual that rents the track for a day or two and breaks groups down into three classes: Beginner, Intermediate and Race. Those days suck balls because most of the time, the guy running it allows street guys into the mix with racers - bad move (unless a racer is on a street bike). 2) the track day is a day before an event like a WERA, CCS, AMA, etc. Those are typically very good and well worth the money and can definately be when track times are close or better than race pace - but again, not done by street guys.

You are bashing us more than we are bashing you. Granted, street guys seem to take shit way more seriously than racers, but I guess that is the nature of the beast, eh?

In any case, I am more than willing to throw a few local EAST COAST bros. into the mix and take your WEST COAST bros and meet at a track where no one has been. I would certainly believe that it would be almost a toss up. Get my drift? Why not come play out here? I guarantee the street track day boys out here would smoke you. Know why? Doing track days at one or two tracks continuosly will get you some pointers that will put you ahead of a guy who has never been to that track.

You are calling PDG and myself high and mighty when you start name calling and basically saying we would get dusted. All I know is when the WERA 24 hr was out there a lot of "locals" caused some serious shit to go down. Namely a local that supposedly knew the track well almost killed a friend and very fast racer - Darrel Saylor. Oh, and by the way, East Coast boys (Other than CU) won the event - VESRAH.

Oh, the other guy talking and name dropping - how about Opie Caylor? Geoff May? Brian Livengood? We all can name drop all day. Seems a bit childish.

I gave a very good input about tire choices. You, of course didn't seem to read that and instead felt compelled to name call. If your track day is where you are 2-3 seconds off race pace - go with race tires. If you are more than likely not even close, buy the Diablos. I think you'd be happier...

By the way, when you grow a spine and quit being a keyboard tough guy, let me know if you have any questions - I actually (believe it or not) can be of some assistance. Really. I will give you some serious input if you just learn to be a bit more tactful.

Lizard 1 said:

Oh, the other guy talking and name dropping - how about Opie Caylor? Geoff May? Brian Livengood? We all can name drop all day. Seems a bit childish.





Well - I'm the other guy , and i wasn't name dropping. I was responding directly to PDG, who can't seem to believe, for whatever reason, that anyone at a trackday is capable of turning descent laps! So no - I wasn't being childish in the least. What I was doing was trying my best to point out that HIS LOGIC WAS FLAWED. Nothing has changed. He was wrong by making a blanket statement saying you can't take advantage of race rubber on trackdays. And if you're saying the same thing then, well, sorry - but you're wrong too. Maybe that's the case at the events you go to - but unless you're willing to say you've run with every trackday organization in the nation - you can't make that statement stick.

Like I said before - at our events - in the fast group (which is, BTW, organized exactly how you described above, only without the inclusion of slow guys in the fast group), our expert riders don't have any problems putting down raceworthy lap times, sorting out their suspension setup, etc. NONE. I watch them do it all day long, 2 times a month. Is it so inconceivable that a well-run operation could keep the fast guys going fast? NO.

Which brings up another point... Watch the TOP racers passing up backmarkers. See how easily they cruise by them? See how very rarely they check up? Slower riders don't necessarily halt lap times the the faster riders have good passing skills and excellent timing.

I've always respected your opinion on this board - learned alot from your posts. But don't call me childish for defending my position. Especially not when I'm right.

lets play nice and stop with the bashing here guys. the bottom line is that some guys are saying that a good street tire will get you around the track just fine and youll get more tracktime for your dollar. other guys are saying spend the few extra bucks to know your on the best rubber available and youll take a good part of the traction equation out of the picture(never completely out, but better than street tires for sure). quig, the best i can say is at your next track day have someone time you and compare those times to the fastest amature racers, and expert racers (for your own info more than anything else). but bring a set of street tires with you and see how they feel and what your times are, and in between sessions change them out for some race tires (whether they be takeoffs or whatever) and go out and do the same thing. see what feels better and what you go faster on. and go from there.


gms, loudon isnt a hp track. just look at greenwood running 11's on a ss r6. but, hp never hurts. if i had 40more hp than i currently have i know i could go faster with out a doubt. im not taking anything away from you cause you ran good, but i bet even greenwood would be in the 10's already with more hp. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Piss-off Lizard. I don't give a fuck what you have to say. You're obviously an arrogant asshole similar to PDG. You want to come in here and further this argument? You'd better bring your lunch slick. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif


Lizard 1 said:
First off, QUIG, I don't remember calling you names and slaming you around like you have so 7th graderlike done with me.



Look dimwit, you mis-quoted and otherwise twisted my words for you own use several times. I shot you down. Quit crying about it. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif




Lizard 1 said:You IN FACT did compare West to East and therefore sorta insulted us East coast guys.



No, I didn't. I explained this earlier. I'm not going into it again. Don't blame your poor reading comprehension on me. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif




Lizard 1 said: You are bashing us more than we are bashing you. Granted, street guys seem to take shit way more seriously than racers, but I guess that is the nature of the beast, eh?




Another intelligent point. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/sleep.gif Get a life dude... You're not making any damn sense. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif




Lizard 1 said:Why not come play out here? I guarantee the street track day boys out here would smoke you.



Yeah, just wait for it... I'm on my way. I'm going to pack up and travel 3000 miles for you. That could happen. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Keep in mind... not ONE TIME in this thread have I boasted about my own speed/skill. You are the one that is putting words in my mouth. And you''re the one that is so intent of boasting about how fast you are. Guess what? Nobody gives a shit! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif




Lizard 1 said:I guarantee the street track day boys out here would smoke you. Know why? Doing track days at one or two tracks continuosly will get you some pointers that will put you ahead of a guy who has never been to that track.



No shit? Tell me... When did I make any claim whatsoever that I could go to a new track and smoke the regulars? Please point it out for me? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

My god you've got to be the dumbest guy I've ever encountered on this board! Please tell me you're actually just a troll that's fucking with me... You can't really be THIS stupid... can you? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif




Lizard 1 said:Oh, the other guy talking and name dropping...



That would be LeanAngle. Please, don't get him in the middle of this... He'll fuck you up even worse than I will. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif




Lizard 1 said: By the way, when you grow a spine and quit being a keyboard tough guy, let me know if you have any questions - I actually (believe it or not) can be of some assistance. Really. I will give you some serious input if you just learn to be a bit more tactful.



Well isn't that nice of you? You get on here and start throwing stones and then at the end, politely offer your wealth of information if I ask nice... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Yeah, you'll be the first guy I'll ask. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/spit.gif Fuck You man... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

If you want to continue this flame-fest please feel free to reply, I'm game. I've got no problem tearing you apart for as long as you like. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

In before the lock!!!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif

ok, thread is closed. if anyone has any good reason for me to open it pm me and let me know. this is obviously not going anywhere.

btw, here is a thread where quig agrees with the liz. http://www.gixxer.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB4&Number=725073&page=0& view=collapsed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

lol,

quig, lizard is a good egg. i think you took what he said a little off of what he meant. possibly cause pdg put you on the defensive. pdg can come off harsh at times, but if you knew the guy you would realize its not a big deal. everyone needs to lighten up. this isnt a battle between racers and trackday guys. all you guys are cool in my book so lighten up.

Woooowhoooo....in before the lock!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif

I think I became a bit slower and a hell of a lot dumber after reading this STUPID thread!!!

Quig.....get the race rubber.... metz/Pir/duns and you will be happy. You're not going to burn them up in a weekend (unless you're at Willow) no matter what everyboy is claiming. BMF, Dave and quite a few others get a few weekends (2) out of a set of race rubber......sure the lap times go up but they still stick like glue...or close to it.

njracer

PDG said:


LeanAngle said:

Maybe things are different back east, but our trackdays (Hey Philbie!) include the fastest of club racers, including some AMA names.





What I'm also seeing here is that the two biggest 'dicks' are myself and Lizard, also the two most seasoned racers offering advice on this thread. Guess we don't know shit.



You may be the most seasoned racers on here, but i ran consistently 2 seconds faster at daytona as a 1st year amature on Pirellis http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif HEHEHEHEHE

BMF....keep this open.....we're all grown up and until people start insulting mom's, dad's and dave...I think it needs to stay open. Racing is over for most of us http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Let us have a bit of fun ya party pooper!!!

Thanks,

njracer

Quick Toy said:


PDG said:


LeanAngle said:

Maybe things are different back east, but our trackdays (Hey Philbie!) include the fastest of club racers, including some AMA names.





What I'm also seeing here is that the two biggest 'dicks' are myself and Lizard, also the two most seasoned racers offering advice on this thread. Guess we don't know shit.



You may be the most seasoned racers on here, but i ran consistently 2 seconds faster at daytona as a 1st year amature on Pirellis http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif HEHEHEHEHE



faster doesnt mean smarter. after a few near death experiences you might slow down a little. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif