Jon Fitch FTW!!!! :cheers I think GSP is just a little too cocky, plus if foreigners keep winning, we're gonna lose the war...:lol

I want florian to win also, love watching that guy fight.

any predictions?? it all goes down saturday

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Georges St- Pierre over Jon Fitch
Heath Herring over Brock Lesnar
Kenny Florian over Roger Huerta

Don’t care about anyone else.

Fitch over St Pierre
Lesnar over Herring
Huerta over Florian

completely opposite of C41177's prediction.

GSP
Herring
Huerta

Hmm will Canadas Georges St. Pierre defeat The States Jon Fitch? Oh I think so.

Too bad GSP is french Canadian blah

Only thing I see going wrong, is that darn glass jaw GSP has.

GSP handle fitch relatively easily. But Lesnar wow...he just smothered Herring the entire fight. That first straight right and then just basically layed on top of him the rest of the time :lol

anyone know where to find video from 87?

anyone know where to find video from 87?


mmalinker.com has them all and they are usually posted right after the fights are over with. just have to register but its free

Jon Fitch FTW!!!! :cheers I think GSP is just a little too cocky, plus if foreigners keep winning, we're gonna lose the war...:lol

I want florian to win also, love watching that guy fight.

any predictions?? it all goes down saturday

GSP cocky?!? did you watch the end of the fight. . and the beginning?? hello this guy has more honor in him than any other fighter ive seen. He congratulates Fitch for an impressive and honorable battle . .who else fucking does that?

Grambuyan let me down. He looks like a fun guy, but he woke up not knowing that the fight had even started. 12 seconds? Wow, retire.


Brock should be ashamed. He ROCKED Herring and then failed to do anything else for 2 and a half rounds.


The only really exciting fight was Florian/Huerta. The outcome was in doubt the entire time.


Oh yeah, and F*ck Cheick Kongo.... Dude has a horrible attitude for someone with no skill whatsoever. Supposedly they are trying to line up Lesnar v Kongo sometime in the future...

And speaking of, Brock lost alot of my respect after his little dance following the fight. He's got a long way to go before he's even decent. I mean, seriously, he's supposed to be the best wrestling guy around and he failed to do ANYTHING but prevent Herring from getting to his feet.

Brock Lesnar, fail. The only thing he's got going for him is his name, and he's kind of entertaining. Just sucks at fighting.

Give Lesner time is all i have to say. alot of these guys he's fighting have been in MMA for many many years. right now hes using his size and strength to his advantage which is the smartest thing he can do with the little experience he has. ide say if he sticks with it he has the potential to be a title holder within a few years

Give Lesner time is all i have to say. alot of these guys he's fighting have been in MMA for many many years. right now hes using his size and strength to his advantage which is the smartest thing he can do with the little experience he has. ide say if he sticks with it he has the potential to be a title holder within a few years

for sure. He used his current strengths to his advantage. IF he would've tried ground and pound or do anything else he might've been caught in something again.

But holy shit...imagine herring getting rocked by that right hand, then looking up to see this 275lb beast charging full speed at you :ohmy

Give Lesner time is all i have to say.


Have no problem with that.

He can have all the time he wants, just not in a prime fight spot on a PPV.

Dues....


He should pay them.


Let him learn his skills off screen for a while.

But holy shit...imagine herring getting rocked by that right hand, then looking up to see this 275lb beast charging full speed at you :ohmy

i wouldn't have imagined him being that fast.





Have no problem with that.

He can have all the time he wants, just not in a prime fight spot on a PPV.

Dues....


He should pay them.


Let him learn his skills off screen for a while.


as far as that goes i think Dane see's him as an investment that will bring the sport alot more fans from the wrestling world and also make him alot of money.

i agree that he shouldn't have been thrown right in there as thats not fair for alot of people who's dreams are to fight in the UFC but thats not our choice and personally i enjoy watching him fight.

i wouldn't have imagined him being that fast.








as far as that goes i think Dane see's him as an investment that will bring the sport alot more fans from the wrestling world and also make him alot of money.

i agree that he shouldn't have been thrown right in there as thats not fair for alot of people who's dreams are to fight in the UFC but thats not our choice and personally i enjoy watching him fight.


Oh I agree. He's entertaining, but more than I love entertainment, I love entertainment that follows pre-established rules.


*sigh*

He'll be a helluva a guy to compete against in a few years.


Even though he beat Herring, it shows how far he has to go to get good.


Hopefully if they setup that Kongo fight, he'll be good enough to beat him. As much as I dislike Brock's "Easy Deal" from the UFC, I hate Kongo alot more. He's an ass.

GSP cocky? How long have you been following MMA? Since last season of TUF?

easy deal for brock?He fought Frank Mir(ex champ) and Herring who almost beat nogueira and is a well rounded heavyweight with more experience than most but he could not do a thing to Brock.When Brock learns some jiu jitsu to go with his freakish wrestling he will be the man to beat.No one will stop his takedown and when he relaxes a bit on the ground then look out everyone else.Also GSP is a true champion and a respectful person,Fitch was tough as nails also but not quite in the same class

easy deal for brock?He fought Frank Mir(ex champ) and Herring who almost beat nogueira and is a well rounded heavyweight with more experience than most but he could not do a thing to Brock.When Brock learns some jiu jitsu to go with his freakish wrestling he will be the man to beat.No one will stop his takedown and when he relaxes a bit on the ground then look out everyone else.Also GSP is a true champion and a respectful person,Fitch was tough as nails also but not quite in the same class


The only reason Brock was immune to Herring was because he knocked Heath's smarts out in about 15 seconds with the right hand. Had he not done that, I would bet that we would have seen a much better fight.

And no matter what the scale says, no one really believes Brock was 265, maybe 285+.

And for easy deal, yeah he had an easy deal, you'd be crazy to argue it and you just proved it yourself. Who gets to fight Mir for their first fight, and Herring for their second. The man is a trained competative full contact athlete so yes he stood a chance against the both of them, (in addition to the rumored 1/4 of a mill he's paying his coaches).

Its not a matter of did Brock hold up to two (used to be) great fighters, its that the fights were boring because all Brock did was grapple (and he failed miserably at that, accomplishing NOTHING with all the wrestling he did) and got one good punch off on Herring and he got a hell of a sweet ride from the UFC.


Dealing with the pressure? He better, its part of the "perk" package from going from "Nobody" to "Co-Main Event" in less than 4 months.


Will Brock be an awesome fighter? Sure looks like it. But he's not one now. He is no more a great fighter than Bob Sapp was. Anyone remember him almost beating Minotauro? Remind you of anyone fighting Frank Mir lately?



You know what? Ignore me, I'm just pissed the Lesnar didn't pick Heath Herring up and drop an F5 Suplex on him :)

you cant compare lesnar to bob sapp and if you do your credibility flies out the window pretty quick.I can see you are a brock hater and thats cool cos its your opinion but its amazing how people pick at everything he has done.Anyway pretty sure Frank Mir has got a title shot coming up after the Ultimate Fighter so he must be finished right?Also brock had a chance for a suplex in the third round but didnt take it,i was dissappointed by that but everything else was pretty awesome for a bloke in his third EVER MMA fight

GSP and Huerta are Fucking HOT!!!! :yumyum

you cant compare lesnar to bob sapp and if you do your credibility flies out the window pretty quick.I can see you are a brock hater and thats cool cos its your opinion


Actually I can compare him.

Both are big unskilled fighters (except Brock's wrestling, which has failed to do anything but allow him to keep people tied up) that win MAINLY by the fact that they can just ham-fist everyones head.


Feel free to point out where in that statement I am wrong?


Brock hater, hell no. I have liked him since I saw him win the NCAA title. However since he joined the WWE, he has proven himself time and time again to be immature, and since he joined the UFC he has proven himself to be little more than a Clobber-Monkey with some defensive wrestling and a lucky right hand.

Again, tell me how I am wrong?


He sells tickets but brings no skill to the show. Freaks will always sell tickets, and famous Freaks sell out arenas.


I like Brock, still, but he does NOT belong in a headline match, and if you say he does, then you are a Brock Fanboy as much as I am a hater.

Bob Sapp cant move,cant punch,cant take a punch,cant sprawl,cant do anything well.There is a fair difference to Lesnar who has a lot of things he needs to improve on but his wrestling and strength shits on Sapp,his footwork at this early stage is better than most heavyweights and his explosive power and speed is better than most.Lucky right hand hey?He set it up with footwork and smarts by knowing Herring was expecting him to shoot and then he dominated a submission guy on the ground and looked better on their feet when it was stood up.I think in time you will be proven wrong anyway but its your opinion,i just dont agree with it.

brock is a monster and will be the best heavy weight in the UFC end of story one punch made a 250+ pound man roll half way across the mat

brock is a monster and will be the best heavy weight in the UFC end of story one punch made a 250+ pound man roll half way across the mat

Brock has potential, but he, at this point will have a difficult time becoming #1 UFC heaveyweight.

Also, i doubt it was just a straight punch that bowled over heath herring, you've been watching too many cartoons :lol

Brock has potential, but he, at this point will have a difficult time becoming #1 UFC heaveyweight.

Also, i doubt it was just a straight punch that bowled over heath herring, you've been watching too many cartoons :lol



Hey, watch it man. You might make Brock angry.



You wouldn't like him when he's angry.



Brock SMASH!

UFC 87 is gonna be on spike tonight at 9 (EST) for anyone who missed it or wants to watch again...

brock for the win with his lucky right hand and knees and takedowns.Doubt Bob Sapp could have done that.The torch has been passed:cheers

brock for the win with his lucky right hand and knees and takedowns.Doubt Bob Sapp could have done that.The torch has been passed:cheers



Bob Sapp COULD have done that, just unlikely as Bob isn't as agressive. That and he doesn't need to bother with this crap anymore. He's making Adam Sandler-Hollywood Money.




And I will give Lesnar credit, he showed ALOT more skill Saturday than he ever has before... still won on a lucky punch and finished up by Donkey-Konging on Randy.

brock for the win with his lucky right hand and knees and takedowns.Doubt Bob Sapp could have done that.The torch has been passed:cheers

did you actually put bob sapp in a sentence with ANY MMA Fighter??? By far two of the biggest MMA jokes are Bob Sapp and Kimbo Slice.

Bob Sapp COULD have done that, just unlikely as Bob isn't as agressive. That and he doesn't need to bother with this crap anymore. He's making Adam Sandler-Hollywood Money.




And I will give Lesnar credit, he showed ALOT more skill Saturday than he ever has before... still won on a lucky punch and finished up by Donkey-Konging on Randy.

bob sapp cant go 30 seconds without being gassed. they match him up against people that arent even remotly in the same weight class.

I know you cant compare Sapp to Lesnar,i was being sarcastic.Check out posts #18,20 and 23.Dasbalddog,Sapp could never have done that because he cant punch properly for starters nor does he possess the speed or skill to land anything against a top class fighter.Not to mention he would never get the opportunity cos he is a dud.Lucky punch again hey?I love how Lesnar haters keep coming up with excuses why he won,too big,too heavy,Randy too old,Randy had long layoff,etc. How about Brock too much of a beast and caught him with numerous good shots throughout the fight,accept it for what it is,the next generation of heavyweight champ

accept it for what it is,the next generation of heavyweight champ

I don't think he'll be champ for long. Pit him against a younger, stronger fighter (let's face it, anyone he fights will have more experience) and I think he will loose.

I'm not a big fan of Randy, but you cannot deny the fact that he did have a long layoff, and is ancient for a MMA fighter. Are those the only reasons he lost? Nope. But you can not deny that they were contributing factors.

I think Lesnar is all hype right now, he may be a good fighter one day, but for right now he is nothing more than mediocre. He is the champ because White wants to catch some fans from wrestling, and Lesnar is perfect for that. Otherwise, a man with his total lack of experience would have never gotten a title shot so quickly.

Also, for such a strong guy, that was one hell of a weak finish...

I know you cant compare Sapp to Lesnar,i was being sarcastic.Check out posts #18,20 and 23.Dasbalddog,Sapp could never have done that because he cant punch properly for starters nor does he possess the speed or skill to land anything against a top class fighter.Not to mention he would never get the opportunity cos he is a dud.Lucky punch again hey?I love how Lesnar haters keep coming up with excuses why he won,too big,too heavy,Randy too old,Randy had long layoff,etc. How about Brock too much of a beast and caught him with numerous good shots throughout the fight,accept it for what it is,the next generation of heavyweight champ

And I love how the Brock Lesnar fanboy keeps ignoring legitimate comments.

Watch the fight again dude. Lesnar has gold on his waist because of one punch. Was he winning before that, yeah, but there was a decent set of odds (read ANY MMA website) that Randy was working to tire Lesnar out, or looking for the submission, but that shit takes time.

Maybe you were watching a different fight, but what I saw was something damned even one the wrestling area (Brock had a distinct but not overwhelming upper hand there) and in all other areas, Randy was the better fighter.


As for "excuses", they can also be called "Reasons".

Look at the facts. By the numbers, Brock was very well posed to win last night in everything but skill and experience (which he still has very little). The physical odds that Randy was facing was daunting but surmountable.


Of course, at this point, I can easily relate Brock Lesnar to another young fighter with similar experience and skill levels that did very well. Mike Tyson.



You seem to be focusing on the wrong part of everything I say. Brock Lesnar is a marvel of fitness, speed and strength, but he has VERY LITTLE experience in MMA, and while it is increasing, his skill set is very limited. And now that he is on top, one of two things is going to happen. He is either going to crash hard, or he is going to stay there.

I hope he falls, not because I hate them, or want to see him hurt, but because all we have gotten from him are fights with everyone laying on the mat like they want to take a nap, and one big punch somewhere in there. A 25 minute Brock Lesnar fight can be summed up very well by a 30 second highlight real.

He's a beast, and he's dangerous, and hell yeah he's going to be a great fighter if he keeps this up, but the point is, he's not a good fighter now anymore than Goliath was (got his ass beat by a little kid with a sling)... or by Frank Mir with a bar-submission :)


The fight Saturday was only entertaining because Randy held him up for so long.


And going back to Bob Sapp, if you noticed, I was using him for a size comparison, calling him skillless and a worthless fighter because of it.


Come to think of it, Brock was boring as hell in the WWF as well.

what legitimate comments am i ignoring?You are the one comparing Sapp to Lesnar,which i laughed at,then said Sapp could have done what Lesnar did which i also laughed at.Again after this fight you say Lesnar only landed a lucky punch thats why he won.I watched the fight and there was more than one punch From Lesnar.Check the stats on any mma site and the proof is there,not just what i saw.Good knees in the clinch,nice short right/elbow that wobbled Randy plus strikes on the ground from a round and a half of two wrestlers trying to negate each other.The first round was Brock feeling out Randy to see what he had,not being gassed.As for being a Lesnar fanboy,i am a fan not a fanboy but am unbiased enough to know that people like you will pick at everthing he does.I have watched ufc since day one and have got a bit of a clue and if i think someone is a good fighter then i become a fan irrespective of where they come from since Brock's first fight with Min soon kim or whatever his name is i have been impressed with his raw skills and said all along that he will be a real handful for anyone.Hardly anyone here tipped him to win against Herring or Couture and then when he does the excuses fly,sorry reasons

:punkStill the champ?Just beat his toughest challenge in Carwin.Could be champ for a real long time instead of just a long time:cheers