I know that one of you guys knows the answer to this it is to show a friend of mine , on my bike (like you don't know 1992GSXR1100),
Where is the wheelie wire and what color is it, I think it is yellow?
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I meant "HER" NOT "HERE", I am tired of typing i wish is was riding....
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I'm curious about this wheelie wire too. What years did it come on and how exactly does it work?

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I heard the wheelie wire is only on the watercooled 1100,does your 1100 not stand up under power?
My 1100 comes up at about 7000rpm under power but since I had my swingarm shortened it comes up alot earlier.
but your 1100's only has 36mm carbs over there dont they?
ours have 40mm over here.

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good luck with your girlfriend.


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My gixxer stands up around 3500-5000 under power I have 38mm carbs, and the wheelie wire is a first gear retard,and it should be on all gixxers untill-95-96, however I know thatb someone here wil know the location, Where is Jeff???

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i was under the impression that only the watercooled 1100's had it, but i could be wrong about that.

i think the color of the wire has changed over the years, it's probably either pink or black/red. it should be a single wire by itself going to the ecu, on the left side of the bike.

if you find the wire, snip it and you should immediately be able to notice a difference in first gear. if you don't notice a difference, it's probably the wrong wire and you should reconnect it. http://www.gixxerforum.com/ubb/images/icons/grin.gif


btw, 38mm slingshots never came on 1100's, if you've got them, they were fitted by a previous owner (from the 750). u.s. spec 11's only came with 36mm carbs from 89 on, whereas european and canadian 11's had 36's from 89 to 90, and then 40's from 91 on.


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[This message has been edited by jeff (edited 03-22-2001).]

what are you talking about then?if your bike stands up under power it hasn't got the wheelie wire.

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Okay my bike has the wheelie wire, and It was cut, I had some wiring replaced andwant to make sure it still is cut, before I continue with my project.
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out of curiosity, what color was the wire?


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yeah where is that baby I want to cut it.

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Hey KJ1,

I also have a 92 1100. Where and what color is that infamous wheelie wire?

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Okay from what I was told and this corresponds with what Jeff says the wire is some where on the left side and it is ussally alone near the ecu and it is either white or yellow, however it can some time be up toward the front of the bike.
Please becareful as this was what I wa stold by where I got my bike from I am not an Expert in this situation and I bib oyu to ask technician who is familar with our year bikes
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any idea if my 90' has it???? i checked the wiring diagram in the manual and i couldn't find it, but then again i'm not an electrical genius either. anyone with a 90' that has found/cut the wire?

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There is no 'wheelie' wire on any oil cooled GSXRs, ie 1992 and earlier.

All GSXR1100s that are water cooled have the 'wheelie wire' in their loom, but only the black boxes for USA, Switzerland and France actually use it.

Don't know what you've cut there on a 92 1100, but would suggest checking the wiring diagram in the shop manual and maybe hooking it back up.

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correct! oil pumpin gixxers have no wheelie wire. the first time i heard of the wire was in 95 when one of the magazines tested the 95 1100 with the wire in tact, and then after it had been cut. the magazine made it sound like only the 95 came with the wheelie wire (and all 1100's built after 95). my 89 1100k has no such wire, nor did my old 92 750. not sure about the earlier model water pumpers (93-94)
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Sorry, but you are severely mistaken!
I owned a 1992 GSXR1100 and it most definately retards the timing in first gear. I have argued this point with tons of people over the years.
Remove the seat, look for a "two wire connector". (I don't remember the the colors anymore) Simply unplug the connector, next turn the ignition on and put the bike in gear, if the nuetral light stays on you unplugged the correct one, If not then try a different connector until you get the right one. Take it for a ride, it should stand right up in first very easily.
Once you have determined that you have disabled the retard you can either just leave the connector unplugged, or snip one of the wires (experiment here.) One wire is for the neutral light the other is for the retard.
Trust me this works, it's usually worth a couple of tenths in the quarter mile.


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Yeah, I thought only the waterpumpers have the wheelie wire. I disconnected mine. It was the pink wire going to the stock ignition box. You shouldn't cut it though. You can pull the metal connector out of the plastic housing with a small screwdriver. Then tape it up and if you want to reconnect it it's easy.

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Ive never heard of a timing retarder on a oil cooler. I also didnt think that the gps on a oil cooler can count gears.

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The "gear position sensor" doesn't count gears to best of my knowledge. The neutral switch only knows if the tranny is in neutral or not. The retard switch/ device only knows if it's first or not. They just happen to be on the same connector, so if you unplug the whole connector, the neutral light will stay on.


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101301 <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by katywompus:
The "gear position sensor" doesn't count gears to best of my knowledge. The neutral switch only knows if the tranny is in neutral or not. The retard switch/ device only knows if it's first or not. They just happen to be on the same connector, so if you unplug the whole connector, the neutral light will stay on.
So where is the 1st gear counter?


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OIL COOLED = NO 'WHEELIE WIRE'!!!

If you pull a wire out of the black box and the neutral wire stays on, then you have pulled the neutral indicator. The extra tenths result from the psych advantage, not timing. For that matter, for the average person, retarding the ignition in first gear would make for a faster, ie NON-wheelied launch, followed by a tight hookup in second.

Urban myth. Water pumpers ONLY.

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I agree 100% there is no timing retard in the first gear.

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Allright now, let me explain my story on the "wheelie wire" and you can be your own judge. BELIEVE IT OR NOT
I had a 1992 GSXR1100 with a Vance & Hines exhaust & Mikuni 38mm race carbs, otherwise stock. I used to drag race it every friday night at Atco Raceway in NJ. I was getting very frustrated because the best I could get out of it was consistant 10.50's without having much trouble with it wanting to stand up. I was talking to a guy I met at a local bike shop about how the bike was set up & my launching technique. He went over a few things with me and said "You did disconnect the first gear retard right?" I proceeded to tell him he was full of it, and I asked the store owner if he ever heard of this and he shrugged his shoulders (he had a worked 1100 that ran high nines.) So the guy says "pull your seat off & I'll show you" he proceeds to unplug the two wire connector that I mentioned earlier. He then turns the ignition on and puts the bike in first gear and the nuetral light stays on. He says to take it for a ride and see what I think.
So I turn onto the road expecting absolutely no difference, I twist it about 1/2 throttle from a 20 mph roll and it starts lifting the front wheel (which it had never done before.)
That weekend we went to the track and I was fighting off power wheelies like mad but did manage a 10.40. The next weekend we strapped the front end to help with the newly aquired wheelie problem & went consistant 10.20's

Is it all in my head?

FWIW, we pulled the same wire on my buddy's bike and it did nothing, so we assumed that some one had cut the wire elswhere in the harness. Unless some have it & some don't, which would be strange.

PS: In that old Sport Rider article where they mention the "wheelie wire" on the water pumper, don't they say something about the older test bikes being "altered" or "snipped" before they get them for testing?


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I have a 921100,the wheels are off it at the moment but I will disconnect that wire as soon as it is back on the road and I will tell you if there is any difference.

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