Hey guys I'm still on the bt-014 stock tires and was wondering when the tires are all the way worn to the edge on the front that is maximum lean angle attainable on the particular tires? I'm edge to edge on the rear and the front are maybe 5-10mm left. Just wondering how it changes if at all for different tires for maximum lean angle, etc.

not at all the question I thought I was gonna find when I clicked on this thread LOL

usually you won't be able to get the strips gone on the front tire, you will run out of usable area on the back before the font is all the way to the edge.

Also, don't get too hung up on those strips man. I have bigger strips than a couple of my friends, yet I take them in the turns every time. Reasoning being that I get of the side of the bike correctly when I am really cranking it over, and they just kinda stick their heads over and think they look like Rossi, lol. My bike is more straight up while turning, hence I have larger strips.

no touching the hole tire does not mean max lean angle.

yes, that is true, you can actually ride them to where you have no strips, and still get a little more lean out of them. This is caused by the tire deforming from it's static position from the lateral G forces acting on the bike while cornering.

:thumbup Will

I've wondered the same thing....:shifty

Thanks guys. I just figured if I'm getting closer and closer then I want to start hanging off more to reduce lean angle and have a good enough contact patch. I've just been working on going faster by increasing pace which gives me more lean, then increasing amount I'm hanging off, then ever faster pace, then even more hanging off, etc etc.

hey rza you're 805, you wouldn't happen to be the blue/black gsxr with the yosh at ucsb would you?

If your talking about the OEM 014's that came with your bike, they are probably old enough now that you will loose the front/rear trying to find the edge.

Not only that, they probably have a multi profile.

Change to a good sports tyre and start again.

The rear tyre deforms a bit under load, so you still have a good contact patch if you still have front tyre left

Thanks guys. I just figured if I'm getting closer and closer then I want to start hanging off more to reduce lean angle and have a good enough contact patch. I've just been working on going faster by increasing pace which gives me more lean, then increasing amount I'm hanging off, then ever faster pace, then even more hanging off, etc etc.

the best way is always get into the body position for max speed for the max lean . Even if you never use it and the bike stays upright and you look like an idiot its on the safe site. What if somthing happens mid corner and you want to lean the bike even more.

huh, my pp2ct's have front left, not much... track time soon so i get to fry some tires... but the 14's i had stock slipped and slid, almost high sided on them, not a fan of them, may try the 16's though soon.

good point tas

i had a set of dunlop qualifiers on a track day. both front and rear where to the edge. i would recommend doing that on the street. i would tell you leave to the track

I used the stockers for 2 td's. They felt fine. Sure they arent up to PP standards or anything like that but i still had rubber boogers hanging off the sides of the Rear AND the front tires. You can run a pretty good clip on them without being too worried. I think that the majority of people hear that they are shit and then their confidence goes away.

And no, you can have no strips on front and rear and not be close to max lean yet.

the best way is always get into the body position for max speed for the max lean . Even if you never use it and the bike stays upright and you look like an idiot its on the safe site. What if somthing happens mid corner and you want to lean the bike even more.

For sure. My form has been changing and finally I think I have a good lock and position. I usually have the "idiot on the safe side" going on when I'm out riding. Just feels good being locked even if you're not close to being at max lean.

you can have no strips on front and rear and not be close to max lean yet.

absolutely correct on that one :thumbup

once you are on the edge of the tire (no strips left) depending on the tire, you make have another 10 degrees left, some tires possibly even more.

How else do you think those pro racers get crazy lean angles over 45 degrees. I will guarantee you they got rid of those strips way before the bike was fully cranked over.

That is why the good race tires are made out of a soft compound, It deforms more which lets it hold a higher level of traction at a higher lean angle. The downside is that it wears faster.

But you can indeed crank the bike to where you have no strips left, and then crank it over more, but please, save exploring the exact location of the edge of traction for a track, that's what they are made for.

^^^ smart :thumbup

<<<< 50+ degrees of lean :chucks Although i still have some strips on that front PRC, triangle profile makes it tough to get rid of. :dunno

yep, but the nice thing about the strips on the front being more... persistent... than the ones on the rear is that you can judge someones lean angle by them for longer.

If you are trying to find out how far over your cranking the bike, and you have already gotten to the point of having tiny turd bubbles on the edge of the rear tire, then just look at the front one and voila, you have chicken strips that you can judge by... if you have no strips on the front tire to judge by either, then you need to bump up from trackdays to MotoGP, lol.

On another note, I am thoroughly impressed, this is, as far as I know, the ONLY thread that has ever existed on this forum with the phrase "chicken strips" in the title that has been nothing but constructive.

But then again, this is not your normal "chicken strips" thread... this one was actually a good question.

:thumbup to the OP!

If you are trying to find out how far over your cranking the bike, and you have already gotten to the point of having tiny turd bubbles on the edge of the rear tire, then just look at the front one and voila, you have chicken strips that you can judge by... if you have no strips on the front tire to judge by either, then you need to bump up from trackdays to MotoGP, lol.

I cant entirely agree with that statement. I run pretty close to race pace at places like VIR and Summit and still have strips on the front Michelin power race PRC. If you have ever seen a PRC you would understand. Pretty much the only way to get rid of them is to lowside. They are very very steep. Basically if you try to get rid of them you will over lean the rear, and then you will crash. I am sure that it can be done but i was damn near dragging elbow at Pocono the last time i was there and the front strips are still there.

This is a very valid point as far as normal tires go though. :thumbup

yeah, the part about if you don't have strips on your fronts was more sarcasm than anything, lol.

Stop worrying about the tire. It doesn't make you a better rider.

Who's worrying?? I was just pointing out that sometimes you can not get rid of front strips depending on the profile of the tire.

I'm not exactly how it works but I believe it also depends on other things like your riding style and your suspension setup, tire profile etc. I didn't have chicken strips front and rear on my 2ct's and I wasn't even that fast back then. In my avatar picture I was on dunlop d209 190/55's and believe it or not.... I have about a quarter inch strips on the back and half on the front.

And FYI for those of you who keep insisting you're at "max lean angle" when you see that you have no strips left..... absolutely untrue. As crypt said you can still lean quite a bit further even though the edge of your tire has touched the ground.

I'm not exactly how it works but I believe it also depends on other things like your riding style and your suspension setup, tire profile etc. I didn't have chicken strips front and rear on my 2ct's and I wasn't even that fast back then. In my avatar picture I was on dunlop d209 190/55's and believe it or not.... I have about a quarter inch strips on the back and half on the front.

And FYI for those of you who keep insisting you're at "max lean angle" when you see that you have no strips left..... absolutely untrue. As crypt said you can still lean quite a bit further even though the edge of your tire has touched the ground.

will..... come one man, you are at like a 50 degree + lean angle and you are trying to tell us that there are chicken strips on those tires?? I have to call BS on that one.

i agree. more then likly you will have unused front tire left unless you loose the front.I cant entirely agree with that statement. I run pretty close to race pace at places like VIR and Summit and still have strips on the front Michelin power race PRC. If you have ever seen a PRC you would understand. Pretty much the only way to get rid of them is to lowside. They are very very steep. Basically if you try to get rid of them you will over lean the rear, and then you will crash. I am sure that it can be done but i was damn near dragging elbow at Pocono the last time i was there and the front strips are still there.

This is a very valid point as far as normal tires go though. :thumbup

I'm not exactly how it works but I believe it also depends on other things like your riding style and your suspension setup, tire profile etc. I didn't have chicken strips front and rear on my 2ct's and I wasn't even that fast back then. In my avatar picture I was on dunlop d209 190/55's and believe it or not.... I have about a quarter inch strips on the back and half on the front.


Some of that is a 190 pinched on a 5.5 if its on a GSXr600. You can be at the edge of the front tyre and you will still have unused tyre on the rear

It would also seem aparent, that some tyres, as they wear use more of the front edge of the tyre. I can only assume that its designed that way to enhance the contact patch as the tyre wears (or cups) and has less grip.