if anyone's in the know...

How many of the big names - top ranking AMA, FIM, MotoGP riders - use the rear brake? Is it something that pretty much anyone who's a top-dog needs to use to stay up with their level of competition? Or are there still plenty of guys at the higher levels of racing that only use the front?

well that depends i'm sure everyone uses the rear brake when using it for a reason, tighten a line, minimize spin or backing it in.

FWIW - fever can "back it in" with the best of them! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just watch out if he drops a wrench and asks ya to pick it up. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

njracer

njracer said:

FWIW - fever can "back it in" with the best of them! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just watch out if he drops a wrench and asks ya to pick it up. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

njracer



so wrong
but thats why its so right http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

njracer said:

FWIW - fever can "back it in" with the best of them! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just watch out if he drops a wrench and asks ya to pick it up. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

njracer

you never complained before, by the end of the weekend you were dropping your own wrenches!! ahhaah http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

njracer said:

FWIW - fever can "back it in" with the best of them! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just watch out if he drops a wrench and asks ya to pick it up. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

njracer



Bri http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif- the question was for "Fast" guys, not "FAT" guys. Maybe you should spend a little more time reading the topic instead of eating!!!!!!!!!

Sorry dude, I couldn't resist given the timing of the weigh-in.

Damn you thread hijackers!!!!!!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif





Let's change shit up a bit here... would y'all recommend that I teach myself to use the rear brake on the track? Is there alot (time) to be gained here?

Who here uses it, and how?

Any tips?

As things stand now... I don't ever use the rear brake. Not on the track, not on the street, never.

lets get some perspective--you asked which AMA/GP/FIM Pro's use the rear brake and why.

Well, do you expect to realistically be in the same league as any of those guys? If not, don't bother. If you do, don't bother. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I only know ONE guy who uses the rear brake and its only for goofs during practice.

In closing, don't bother.

PDG said:

lets get some perspective--you asked which AMA/GP/FIM Pro's use the rear brake and why.

Well, do you expect to realistically be in the same league as any of those guys? If not, don't bother. If you do, don't bother. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I only know ONE guy who uses the rear brake and its only for goofs during practice.

In closing, don't bother.



That's kind of insulting.

Maybe I do someday. That's part of why I want to know.

May be far fetched - but that doesn't mean it's impossible - or never will happen.

If nothing else, learning new skills that may make me faster will make me a better club racer, if that's as far as I ever go.

Odds are definitely way against me ever going past club racing. But the only thing that would guarantee that I never move on would to have the attitude that I'd never be in their league.

So - forget I asked. I'll figure it out on my own.

that was kinda the point.

Its one of those, 'if you HAVE you ask' questions then the answer doesn't apply to you.

i use it on occassion to calm the rear of the bike down if it gets out of sorts, but not really enough to say it helps my lap times. it only helps when i let the back end get funky(probably due to a mistake of not matching revs good enough).

Thanks BMF http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

no prob bro. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Using the rear brake just confuses me http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Jeff over at Ferodo Braketech has been on me for years about using the rear brake.. says I'll be able to brake into the corners deeper.. I've tried it, but I alway end up losing concentration.. I guess I'd have to practice it all slow first, and build up speed like that.

What works for some may not work for you.. best thing would be to try it.. maybe you'll figure out something that you can use as an advantage.

I've know people to ride the rear brake in the corner while on the gas. Their reasoning is that if you apply the rear and throttle you will shorten the wheelbase of the bike slightly and allow it to turn more quickly. I've never tried (and won't). Do you want to back the bike into corners? Try using the clutch. What times do you run out at AMP? You work corners out there don't you?

i spoke with my suspension guy about this and im gonna work on what he told me in the offseason.

He said to try and tap the rear brake right before i hit the fronts going into a corner..he said something about this settling the bike and lowering the rear a lil before you are hard on the fronts which wants to lift the rear..I dont know how it feels, cause i havent tried it, but will be workin on it in the off season

Coyn... you know Jeff from Braketech? Do me a favor. Tell him that (even though I love ferodo brakes), he's the reason I run them. I've never met a more helpful guy when it comes to customer support. Every question I've asked him he's answered promptly, in great detail, and in a friendly manner. He won't know who I am - not like I'm a bulk customer - but let him know that from my end, I think he's a great guy.

And it is that small advantage you mention that I'm looking for. Any advantage.

Philbie - Not really looking to back it in - although I would consider trying it if/when I get comfy using the rear brake. Still a little advanced for me http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm mainly looking to help slow down. I know that the fronts do most of the work, but I know the rear could help slow down even faster, if i could master it. What BMF said about calming down the rear makes sense too - I'd like to have the rear brake tool available to me if/when I need it.

Yeah - I cornerwork. I saw in another post you do too. I'm sure I know you, or have at least seen you. I just don't know who 'Philbie' is http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I'm Jody.... I had a black gixxer with the number '0' on my plates last AMP weekend. Black Spidi leathers. Black Arai helmet. And I was working in cornerstation 5.

What corner were you working last time? What bike do you ride?

BTW - as far as my times go... let's put it this way. I still have to find 9-12 seconds somewhere to be running with Ledesmoe or Hartlieb http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

LeanAngle said:

Coyn... you know Jeff from Braketech? Do me a favor. Tell him that (even though I love ferodo brakes), he's the reason I run them. I've never met a more helpful guy when it comes to customer support. Every question I've asked him he's answered promptly, in great detail, and in a friendly manner. He won't know who I am - not like I'm a bulk customer - but let him know that from my end, I think he's a great guy.



Jeff is a rocket scientist when it comes to brakes and friction materials. He's been supporting Trackdaz pretty much since Day 1.. Whenever I have a question about anything, I call him and he's on top of it right away. I'll call him up and tell him what you said http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

I was in corner 2 the last weekend they ran out at AMP. Normally I'm in station 1. My race bike was being worked on so I was running my street bike. Blue/White TLR. Actually was fun riding it on the track (heavy, slow, weak brakes, but a very usable power curve). It's just the replacement factor of stock bodywork vs. race bodywork kept lingering in my mind. The 750 is done now. Just have to break the motor in. Gonna try a little different gearing and see how it does in some sections of the track. I have a tough time getting through turn 6 (the left hander). Screws me up everytime. Finally have new tires for once. Bike is a blue GSXR750 no. 73. I'll find ya on the track and play for a bit.

He said to try and tap the rear brake right before i hit the fronts going into a corner..he said something about this settling the bike and lowering the rear a lil before you are hard on the fronts which wants to lift the rear



I was told the same thing by a friend of mine (Cory Call--1999 Daytona Pro Thunder winner). I've been trying to perfect it as well. It works in settling the bike pre-turn in which helps to hit you line more consistently (at least for me).

Baldy

I'm probably not that fast...yet. But...I like my rear brake and I'm careful NOT to abuse it. It settles things for me when I want it to and it swings the rear around when I need it to. Obviously hard on the front brakes it's pretty useless but after you release the lever a lil bit, and your forks decompress, voila, you have a rear brake again. I go into some turns kinda like bostrom with the rear dancing a bit when hot and I'm pretty sure it's cuz my foot's on the rear brake while downshifting. So next time your in a corner driftin a lil bit, tap it (your rear) and hold a line. I guess it's all in your style, some use it some don't. Do what works for you and makes you fast.

Look for me out there next year...

Carnage98
Nuff Said Racing

So explain the mechanics of this to me then. How does tapping (or using) the rear brake cause the bike to back in?

PB Master of Evil said:

So explain the mechanics of this to me then. How does tapping (or using) the rear brake cause the bike to back in?



use of the rear brake will almost certainly cause it to lock up and slide into the corner rather than roll in a controlled state.

PDG said:


PB Master of Evil said:

So explain the mechanics of this to me then. How does tapping (or using) the rear brake cause the bike to back in?



use of the rear brake will almost certainly cause it to lock up and slide into the corner rather than roll in a controlled state.



Hrm. I guess I figured the answer would be more complicated than that, i.e. I know locking the tire will make it slide, so I guess it could be that simple. *shrug*

So of the guys who back it in - does everyone use the brake to "lock" the tire and induce a slide, or is a bit of extra gas a slightly different/better/worse way of doing it (potential for highsiding irregardless)?

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most who back it in (Kurtis,BenNicky) just reel the clutch out quicker when backin' it in the usefullness of the rear brke seems to be mostly mid corner (square up the corner) and exit (to prevent spinup) but using the rear brake to settle the bike in before hammering the rear brakes also makes sense but once your on the fronts the rear becomes about usless as it has little to no weight on it http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif

My bikes got a front brake !! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Getting on a little rear brake going into a corner will cause the bike to squat in the rear. Then when you get on the fronts, the bike won't try to stoppie as bad, since it starts from a lower position. Not a huge difference, but it will help. Most of the backing it in I have seen is from using the motor compression and too low a gear modulated with the clutch. Troy341