I started riding last season, so i'm still very new to the sport. Last season i just focused on staying on the bike and learning how it reacted to different inputs. This season i am starting to work on my cornering and braking technique.

Lately it seems like i am sliding forward under braking quiet a bit, and am wondering if this is something that needs to be corrected, or do you just allow it to happen. I've tried clenching the tank harder with my knees (no stomp grip pads) but it doesnt seem to help.

Any advice?

this is against the advice i got from 2 riding schools but it works for me. What they said is you should be on the bike as far back as you can. doing so i get what you get. so heres what i do.
before i brake i get into the sitting position for the turn. this will prevend any anessesary movement on the bike before entering a turn. What i do is put my insite leg against the tank so when i brake i will not move forword. ( if your are not hanging off the bike then your balls will be against the tank needless to say what will hapen when you brake:lol:lol:lol:lol)

hmmm i kind of understand what your saying, not fully though, i will try to hold the tank with my legs a little tighter when i ride to work this morning.

sorry the advise is more for fast riding in the twisties.
this will help on normal comuting.
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=177961&highlight=stomp+crip

you just have to get stronger with your knees. my ass usually ends up right on the back of the cut piece in the tail section. and i will apply a downward pressure through my feet in long brake zones. this will reduce direct pressure from your arms to the bars, helping with front end grip and stability entering corners, and stop you getting arm pump in sections of road with linked turns.

its very important for your balance on the machine that you dont crowd the tank. if the rear wheel slides you will have seperation between you and the bike to allow it to move without taking you with it.

I have a boner when I ride so I don't have to worry about sliding up against the tank :)

you just have to get stronger with your knees. my ass usually ends up right on the back of the cut piece in the tail section. and i will apply a downward pressure through my feet in long brake zones. this will reduce direct pressure from your arms to the bars, helping with front end grip and stability entering corners, and stop you getting arm pump in sections of road with linked turns.

its very important for your balance on the machine that you dont crowd the tank. if the rear wheel slides you will have seperation between you and the bike to allow it to move without taking you with it.

this is the thing that riding schools also sujest. Really thou i cant understand how it works. I have seen lots and lots of pic of racers and non of them is doing it.(exept on the exit and meed corner) what you see in my signiture is what you see generaly from racers goimg in and midcorner. the insite leg against the tank and the knee sticking out in the air.
If you spend a bit of time explaning twhole prosses would be good.

This is what i am doing. insite leg against the tank
http://images.motogp.com/multimedia2/1045/1045059_5234.jpg

ok got ya, i was attempting a slower version of that pic coming home from work, it happens pretty naturally when you move your upper body over to corner. i'm definitly going to invest in some stomp grips for the extra control.

as far as the downward pressure on the pegs, i will experiment with that later, i feel like with my knee sliders on my legs are already putting a good amount of downward pressure and i am sliding forward less, but still more then i think is acceptable.

Lately it seems like i am sliding forward under braking quiet a bit, and am wondering if this is something that needs to be corrected, or do you just allow it to happen. I've tried clenching the tank harder with my knees (no stomp grip pads) but it doesnt seem to help.


I don't know why you're getting advice to sit back on the seat. That's the source of the problem. Sit as far forward as you can, basically so your crotch is on the tank. From this position, you can move from side to side quickly (the seat is narrower at the front), and your body is prepared for hard braking. Squeezing the tank is a good idea as well, but you shouldn't have to squeeze too hard. Give it a shot for a few hundred miles to really get used to it.

The only time I sit back in the seat is when I need to get as low as possible...like the straights at Road America. Otherwise, I'm right up on the tank.

During braking, you WANT weight shifted to the front, because it allows the braking action to utilize as much grip the tire has to offer. If you're sitting way back on the seat, you'll move weight to the rear of the bike, effectively reducing the amount of braking force you can apply before running out of traction.

I don't know why you're getting advice to sit back on the seat. That's the source of the problem. Sit as far forward as you can, basically so your crotch is on the tank. From this position, you can move from side to side quickly (the seat is narrower at the front), and your body is prepared for hard braking. Squeezing the tank is a good idea as well, but you shouldn't have to squeeze too hard. Give it a shot for a few hundred miles to really get used to it.

The only time I sit back in the seat is when I need to get as low as possible...like the straights at Road America. Otherwise, I'm right up on the tank.

During braking, you WANT weight shifted to the front, because it allows the braking action to utilize as much grip the tire has to offer. If you're sitting way back on the seat, you'll move weight to the rear of the bike, effectively reducing the amount of braking force you can apply before running out of traction.

I hope you're joking..... when you are braking you want to shift as much of your body weight to the back as possible to compensate for all that weight being thrown forward through braking. If you throw all of your weight forward you're either asking for the back end to come up or if you're doing that while trail braking you're just asking for the front to wash out.

What I do under braking is I move my butt all the way back and a cheek already off the seat to setup for the corner. And I'm sitting straight up during braking with a combination of my weight pushed down on the seat along with bracing myself on the bars with my arms. So when I approach the corner I just tip it in and lean my body off to the side with the bike.

If you're doing it right you don't need a death clamp on the tank with your knees nor do you need your crotch smushed up against the tank. I would actually say that most of the resistance should be within your arms under braking, but of course you also need to adjust where your body is so that you're not putting too much weight forward.

Are you sitting upright or are you in a crouch hanging off the bike?

Either way, it takes time to develope muscles.

Getting tank pads will help in either position

i've almost got it down to where i can apply a combination of forces to my arms, knees, and pressure on the pegs and i stay back. Seems to be working and the bike feels way more stable. Thanks for the advice everyone.

and yes muscle building is happening my groin is definitely soar.

Will Goes is pointing you in the right direction... there are reasons for being up on the tank and back on the seat for different situations. But I remember being exactly where you are a year after I started riding. I started experimenting with different techniques and by far being back on the seat was the most stable, but not quite as comfortable for me since I have "Short Arm Syndrome". Even though sitting back on the saddle gave me positive feedback and grip from the rear, it was awkward for me to manage the controls. The fact of the matter is you will develop your own style based on your personal ergonomics on the machine.

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Will Goes is pointing you in the right direction... there are reasons for being up on the tank and back on the seat for different situations. But I remember being exactly where you are a year after I started riding. I started experimenting with different techniques and by far being back on the seat was the most stable, but not quite as comfortable for me since I have "Short Arm Syndrome". Even though sitting back on the saddle gave me positive feedback and grip from the rear, it was awkward for me to manage the controls. The fact of the matter is you will develop your own style based on your personal ergonomics on the machine.

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ok where are the pics to prouve this?
I have posted a pic of pedrosa above clearly showing his insite leg against the tank. As you can see also from the pic he is as forword as posible and only two inches of space is behind him. so even if he is all the way back thats only 2 inches of movemend.

I think you will find there is a bit of a gap in that pic

Look at the angle of the leg and where it hits the tank.

Might only be an inch or so. You probably do the same but dont realise

Reuben Xaus back on the seat and not using the tank for leverage. Like I said there are different styles for different riders.

http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/photogalleries2//030302rxval/images/12_b.jpg

I think you will find there is a bit of a gap in that pic

Look at the angle of the leg and where it hits the tank.

Might only be an inch or so. You probably do the same but dont realise
yes i didnot set that his balls are against the tank i said his insite leg but he is definetly not holding the tank with his knee. As i have mentioned before this method of sitting back as posible is sujested by a lot of people. Put really can they do it? I havent seen any pic of it. when ever i tryed to do it, it didnt work.
Is this one of those things that it is idial to do but it can never work in practice?

Reuben Xaus back on the seat and not using the tank for leverage. Like I said there are different styles for different riders.

http://www.ducati.com/docs_eng/photogalleries2//030302rxval/images/12_b.jpg
Come on man. he is no where near as far back as posible and his outsite leg and knee is on the open air. So for sure his insite leg near his balls is against the tank. Actually this pic is in my favor.:biggrin

Come on man. he is no where near as far back as posible and his outsite leg and knee is on the open air. So for sure his insite leg near his balls is against the tank. Actually this pic is in my favor.:biggrin

I'm sure it doesn't. Reuben Xaus is about 6ft tall and Dani Pedrosa is about 5"2. Reuben certainly does not have to have his balls on the tank, and just as certainly Dani has no choice but to have his balls on the tank. Reuben is a much bigger guy than Dani (obviously) and has to have more of his weight over the center or rear of the bike in order to not overload the front end.

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I'm sure it doesn't. Reuben Xaus is about 6ft tall and Dani Pedrosa is about 5"2. Reuben certainly does not have to have his balls on the tank, and just as certainly Dani has no choice but to have his balls on the tank. Reuben is a much bigger guy than Dani (obviously) and has to have more of his weight over the center or rear of the bike in order to not overload the front end.

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ok. when he is braking he does not use his legs to hold on the bike? of course he is. The only way to do so if he is as back as posible is by pressing the tank with his knees. But wait his knees are 1 feet away from the tank.

ok. when he is braking he does not use his legs to hold on the bike? of course he is. The only way to do so if he is as back as posible is by pressing the tank with his knees. But wait his knees are 1 feet away from the tank.

But what does that have to do with jamming your balls onto the tank? If in general it is better to have your weight more centered over the middle of the bike why would you purposely scoot as far as possible forward only to have to try to transition your weight backwards again? The more efficient technique would be to be as far back as comfortably possible and clamp the tank with your knees under braking. Yes, you are right you will most likely be doing this with a butt cheek hanging off the seat, resulting in more pressure on the inside knee to hold you up. But it is neither required or necessary to use your balls or outside knee as a brace against the tank.

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:scratch:scratch:lol.
I never said you use your balls to brace on the bike.:lol :lol:lol:lol
and i never said you use your knee.:lol:lol:lol
Thats the things that i have said i am NOT doing.
What i said was to use your insite leg NEXT to your balls. By doing so though, you have to be forword on the bike.

What i do is put my insite leg against the tank so when i brake i will not move forword.


and i never said you use your knee.:lol:lol:lol

OK... so your inside knee never touches the tank as you setup for a turn?

:scratch:scratch:lol.
I never said you use your balls to brace on the bike.:lol :lol:lol:lol



Then please explain to me how neither your inside knee nor your balls ever come into contact with your tank if you scoot all the way forward to setup for a turn.


Put really can they do it? I havent seen any pic of it. when ever i tryed to do it, it didnt work.
Is this one of those things that it is idial to do but it can never work in practice?


Thats the things that i have said i am NOT doing.
What i said was to use your insite leg NEXT to your balls. By doing so though, you have to be forword on the bike.

LOL @ "inside leg NEXT to your balls" .. you're kidding right?

OK... whatever... just because YOU are not able to get the technique to work does not mean it isn't good or viable.

is it you on your signiture?
I dont see your knee touching the tank.

You must be bored.

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oh well, i just locked on since last Thursday.

I read is 2 pages on how things go is your way is not my way is not even close. I am all body function. My body moves on the bike I tell it nothing. It feels it's own settle. Day fuck if it's in the trunk me all the way in the back.

Yeah, OK, so say sit in the back is rise the bike now. Who is HAT on the higher center of Gravity that hat fits your ass swell. Fuck in A, I am away from use is.

So is my azz on the ball is itches? Fuckif I know? I am pegged like a bird is the flow on the seat and the slide I my hide says so. Clunk is my fender into the lower crown you be telling me I have no control over the front brake slide that one two three right up your ass too.

Bring is your gear and you be the tear me up.

I read is 2 pages on how things go is your way is not my way is not even close. I am all body function. My body moves on the bike I tell it nothing. It feels it's own settle. Day fuck if it's in the trunk me all the way in the back.

Yeah, OK, so say sit in the back is rise the bike now. Who is HAT on the higher center of Gravity that hat fits your ass swell. Fuck in A, I am away from use is.

So is my azz on the ball is itches? Fuckif I know? I am pegged like a bird is the flow on the seat and the slide I my hide says so. Clunk is my fender into the lower crown you be telling me I have no control over the front brake slide that one two three right up your ass too.

Bring is your gear and you be the tear me up.



do you have your keyboard buttons in the wrong places or are you just from some distane island country :scratch

Keys to the board narrow down if you can take a bike and balance the front wheel as in a front wheel stop pee... Do you have more control closer to the tank or your ass positioned at the passenger seat.

Who is at a more premium fulcrum point in the tick-tock that pen due numb ox? You show up in some canyon being the trunk space... I'm out of dare like hit Reg Pee'd More.

Keys to the board narrow down if you can take a bike and balance the front wheel as in a front wheel stop pee... Do you have more control closer to the tank or your ass positioned at the passenger seat.

Who is at a more premium fulcrum point in the tick-tock that pen due numb ox? You show up in some canyon being the trunk space... I'm out of dare like hit Reg Pee'd More.

i dont think i like you :shifty

i dont think i like you :shifty

LOL.. his jargon is a bit hard to follow.. :dunno

:wtf HARD TO UNDERSTAND, understatement of the year LOL :biggrin

My heads burstin!!