Okay, brief overview: I sold a 01' 1K and I'm looking for a new bike and came across this streetfighter on ebay which isn't to far away from me. I'm gonna go take a look at it but I need some help deciphering all these mods he's done to it. What do they all mean? I'm not the greatest tech guru especially when it comes to engines and modifying them. Can anyone shed some light on them for me? Here is the link to the auction and the description(if you don't want to view the link). Thanks Guys! 92 750 Streetfighter (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2433305371&category=50 029&rd=1)

DESCRIPTION:


this is an awesome specimen of a true european streetfighter..loud..fast..and radicle looking.heres what it has.hardwelded falicon cranks,powder coated wheels and calipers,titanium cam chain tensioner,web cams(new not hardwelded),771 wiesco big bore kit,heads and exhaust ports ported and polished,billet engine covers,anodized engine bolt kit,billet gauge cluster,fox shock,barnett clutch,mgm german streetfighter tail section,vortex anodized gas cap and ring,custom subframe,BAC "alien" headlight and fairing markat german shorty header and exhaust.

hardwelded falicon cranks <-- Good thing, although he may have done it because he spun a rod bearing in the past.

powder coated wheels and calipers <-- pure looks

titanium cam chain tensioner <-- who cares if it's titanium, but the older gixxers were known to lose tensioners. Aftermarket a plus here, jut check the adjustment when you change your oil.

web cams(new not hardwelded) <-- personnaly, I like the hardwelds better, but nothing really wrong with the billet cams. More top end HP here, maybe a loss in midrange.

771 wiesco big bore kit <-- a few more cc's never hurt anyone. Probably higher compression, stick to premium fuels.

heads and exhaust ports ported and polished <-- if they were done by an experienced pro, this will add some HP.

billet engine covers <-- look good and survive crashes better.

anodized engine bolt kit <-- all looks here. Be careful, they strip like they were made of butter.

billet gauge cluster <-- looks.

fox shock <-- good thing

barnett clutch <-- not too bad. OEMs are good though.

mgm german streetfighter tail section <-- self explanitory

vortex anodized gas cap and ring <-- I'm sure you can figure this one out

custom subframe <-- could be anything

BAC "alien" headlight and fairing <-- self explanitory

markat german shorty header and exhaust <-- self explanitory

Thanks BusaGeek! That really helps me out. The ones that really confused me were the cam chain tensoner, etc...

Now for a second question: How much would you be willing to pay for that bike in the auction? I spoke to him via e-mal and he said he wants to get $3200. I'm assuming that's what his reserve is set at. Assuming he has receipts for the engine work and such is that a decent price? I know a stock one goes for anywhere from $1700-$2400 but this is far from stock. Thanks!

Don't pay too much for the mods. Usually only a very small percentage of what was put into the bike shows up in the resale value. At the end of the day, if you you get the best deal available to you and you can live with it, that's all that matters.

Cool. I appreciatte your help. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

I would never buy this bike because the guy probably pushed the bike to the limit. The stock bike was too slow for him and that's why he did all mods to the engine. Stay away from this bike and it is better to buy a stock bike instead of modified. Save your money and buy something better. I can bet any newer 600 will beat that bike. Also here is a small tip. Always ask what gear they use on the street. If they use always second gear on the street I would stay away from the bike because the rider loves to use high RPM. High RPM means shorter life and less power for the engine. I know a lot of people don't ever use 5th or 6th gear at all. I think that's stupid.

BusaGeek@work said:
hardwelded falicon cranks <-- Good thing, although he may have done it because he spun a rod bearing in the past.
<font color="red">Read "blew my old engine." The long stroke 750's (85-87 and 90-92) were not know to waste cranks, but at least he spent some money on it. </font>




powder coated wheels and calipers &lt;-- pure looks
<font color="red">Same view here, looks only. As long as he had it apart why not go with six pistons? </font>




titanium cam chain tensioner &lt;-- who cares if it's titanium, but the older gixxers were known to lose tensioners. Aftermarket a plus here, just check the adjustment when you change your oil.
<font color="red">Usualy the aftermarket ones are alum. (both of mine are) NEVER heard of a Ti one. </font>




web cams(new not hardwelded) &lt;-- personnaly, I like the hardwelds better, but nothing really wrong with the billet cams. More top end HP here, maybe a loss in midrange.
<font color="red">Web makes a good product (billet or hardweld) probably put them in during the required rebuild. </font>




771 wiesco big bore kit &lt;-- a few more cc's never hurt anyone. Probably higher compression, stick to premium fuels.
<font color="red">Needed the bore job after the explosion. When you could go bigger why skimp? If doing because you wanted more power I would have sleaved it to 907 or 955. </font>




heads and exhaust ports ported and polished &lt;-- if they were done by an experienced pro, this will add some HP.
<font color="red">Agree there. Anybody can take a dremell to a head but only experence makes it right. </font>





billet engine covers &lt;-- look good and survive crashes better.
<font color="red">Read "put on due to lowside grinding off the stock ones" </font>





anodized engine bolt kit &lt;-- all looks here. Be careful, they strip like they were made of butter.
<font color="red">Another looks thing. </font>





billet gauge cluster &lt;-- looks.
<font color="red">Thats a stock cluster. </font>





fox shock &lt;-- good thing
<font color="red">Agree there. I have a Ohlins on one and a Fox on the other, I can not tell the difference on the street between the two </font>





barnett clutch &lt;-- not too bad. OEMs are good though.
<font color="red">Agian read "I burned the old one up pulling wheelies" </font>





mgm german streetfighter tail section &lt;-- self explanitory
<font color="red">Never been a fan of that squished butt, stink bug look myself but if you like it... </font>





vortex anodized gas cap and ring &lt;-- I'm sure you can figure this one out
<font color="red">I figured it out. </font>





custom subframe &lt;-- could be anything
<font color="red">read "Bent my old one in the crash that took out the rest of the bodywork." </font>





BAC "alien" headlight and fairing &lt;-- self explanitory
<font color="red">See the subframe above. But that one does not look to bad. </font>





markat german shorty header and exhaust &lt;-- self explanitory







<font color="red">Remember that most Streetfighters start out as crashed bikes. Very few in the states are built out of a complete bike. Ask to see build-up pictures. Before and After shots would be nice. Try to find out who did the engine work. Lots of poeple like to build up bikes, but I do not know any of them that did not take pictures of all that work they are proud of.</font>

Almazick said:

I would never buy this bike because the guy probably pushed the bike to the limit. The stock bike was too slow for him and that's why he did all mods to the engine. Stay away from this bike and it is better to buy a stock bike instead of modified. Save your money and buy something better. I can bet any newer 600 will beat that bike. Also here is a small tip. Always ask what gear they use on the street. If they use always second gear on the street I would stay away from the bike because the rider loves to use high RPM. High RPM means shorter life and less power for the engine. I know a lot of people don't ever use 5th or 6th gear at all. I think that's stupid.



Sorry Guys , i really dont get what you're all saying here ? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Dont buy this bike because it's been modified ?

The engine's been tuned &amp; the bodywork's been replaced so it must have blown up , and it must have been crashed ?

All streetfighters are modified - that's what makes them streetfighters ! - you cant just assume the worst and disregard the bike.

None of the 'fighters i've built have started life a crash damaged bikes - most of the 'fighters ( in europe anyway ) these days are built from a good base . Some people (me included )actually enjoy building a modified bike , rather than doing it from necessity as a result of a fall.

"Oh , the engines been tuned - he must have wrecked it by thrashing it" eh ??? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

You know the streetfighters slogan ? <font color="red"> " Extreme Performance Special " </font>
a streetfighter builder - tunes it because he can , and why not ? - there are loads of people on the forum who have tuned the nuts off their engines - i bet only around 15% did it as a result of a rebuild.

It's these kinds of attitudes that unfairly categorize the 'Streetfighter' type of bike , as a total lash up built from a wreck or a mongrel built from parts from other bikes , not to be trusted , not safe , only to be viewed with deep suspicion http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif - what a load of b*ll*x http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

The vast majority , have had loads of genuine effort and skill used in their creation. Yes they are tuned and antisocial , yes they may have replacement bodywork - THATS THE POINT !

Of course ( like any other bike ) it *may* be a total shed - but then again , if you were to disregard this bike , and decide to build your own , how much money would you have to spend to buy all the trick bits this one has got ?
If it were me , i'd be looking at this bike as a bit of a bargain , even if it was a crapper , or if the 'style' of the bike is not to my particular taste - then i'd redo it 'my' way - or part it out and make some money !

Ask yourself - why did the builder go to the trouble of importing specialist bodyparts and other accessories from germany ? - was it to buy a cheap crashed bike and get it back on the road as cheaply / quickly as possible in order to make a quick buck ? - I think not.........


"I can bet any newer 600 will beat that bike"

- really ? - i wouldnt be so sure , even if it does - it's gonna look like all the other 'jelly moulds' out there - where's your sense of individuality ? , wouldn't you rather have a bike with 'soul' and 'attitude' than something that wouldn't exite a dog turd ?



Always ask what gear they use on the street. If they use always second gear on the street I would stay away from the bike because the rider loves to use high RPM



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif eh ? - i've never heard of anyone who spends all day screaming around stuck in second gear ?
If a potential purchaser of one of my bikes asked me this question , then i'd probably chin him - or at the least think http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/squid.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/squid.gif

Ok , rant over

You got it a little bit wrong. First of all, lots of people love to use second gear on the street and they never use third gear until they get on Highway. Why don't you ask people here how they use gears on the street and you'll see what I'm talking about. Second of all, I would say that the engine will die very soon because it's got 25687 on modified engine. If you know a lot about engines you know that modified engine dies faster. 25687 miles for a stock engine isn't bad but compare to modified it is almost dead. Some people like old cars/bikes with soul but some people love bikes for speed. The modified bike is great for the owner but it really looses resale value. The bike is great as a show bike but not for riding. The person who will buy the bike needs to be mechanically inclined to be able to repair the bike in the future and I can bet it'll need some work very very soon. I would never pay anything over $1800 but this is just me. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif





UK lee said:


Almazick said:

I would never buy this bike because the guy probably pushed the bike to the limit. The stock bike was too slow for him and that's why he did all mods to the engine. Stay away from this bike and it is better to buy a stock bike instead of modified. Save your money and buy something better. I can bet any newer 600 will beat that bike. Also here is a small tip. Always ask what gear they use on the street. If they use always second gear on the street I would stay away from the bike because the rider loves to use high RPM. High RPM means shorter life and less power for the engine. I know a lot of people don't ever use 5th or 6th gear at all. I think that's stupid.



Sorry Guys , i really dont get what you're all saying here ? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Dont buy this bike because it's been modified ?

The engine's been tuned &amp; the bodywork's been replaced so it must have blown up , and it must have been crashed ?

All streetfighters are modified - that's what makes them streetfighters ! - you cant just assume the worst and disregard the bike.

None of the 'fighters i've built have started life a crash damaged bikes - most of the 'fighters ( in europe anyway ) these days are built from a good base . Some people (me included )actually enjoy building a modified bike , rather than doing it from necessity as a result of a fall.

"Oh , the engines been tuned - he must have wrecked it by thrashing it" eh ??? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

You know the streetfighters slogan ? <font color="red"> " Extreme Performance Special " </font>
a streetfighter builder - tunes it because he can , and why not ? - there are loads of people on the forum who have tuned the nuts off their engines - i bet only around 15% did it as a result of a rebuild.

It's these kinds of attitudes that unfairly categorize the 'Streetfighter' type of bike , as a total lash up built from a wreck or a mongrel built from parts from other bikes , not to be trusted , not safe , only to be viewed with deep suspicion http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif - what a load of b*ll*x http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

The vast majority , have had loads of genuine effort and skill used in their creation. Yes they are tuned and antisocial , yes they may have replacement bodywork - THATS THE POINT !

Of course ( like any other bike ) it *may* be a total shed - but then again , if you were to disregard this bike , and decide to build your own , how much money would you have to spend to buy all the trick bits this one has got ?
If it were me , i'd be looking at this bike as a bit of a bargain , even if it was a crapper , or if the 'style' of the bike is not to my particular taste - then i'd redo it 'my' way - or part it out and make some money !

Ask yourself - why did the builder go to the trouble of importing specialist bodyparts and other accessories from germany ? - was it to buy a cheap crashed bike and get it back on the road as cheaply / quickly as possible in order to make a quick buck ? - I think not.........


"I can bet any newer 600 will beat that bike"

- really ? - i wouldnt be so sure , even if it does - it's gonna look like all the other 'jelly moulds' out there - where's your sense of individuality ? , wouldn't you rather have a bike with 'soul' and 'attitude' than something that wouldn't exite a dog turd ?



Always ask what gear they use on the street. If they use always second gear on the street I would stay away from the bike because the rider loves to use high RPM



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif eh ? - i've never heard of anyone who spends all day screaming around stuck in second gear ?
If a potential purchaser of one of my bikes asked me this question , then i'd probably chin him - or at the least think http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/squid.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/squid.gif

Ok , rant over

You got it a little bit wrong. First of all, lots of people love to use second gear on the street and they never use third gear until they get on Highway. Why don't you ask people here how they use gears on the street and you'll see what I'm talking about



I cant beleive what you're stating here http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif - i dont know anyone who rides their bikes like this ?? , but Ok then , lets ask 'em ! - <font color="yellow"> who here ( or even knows somebody that does ) rides around the streets screaming the tit's of the engine in second gear , and only uses 3rd for highways ? - who has never used top gear ?
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Second of all, I would say that the engine will die very soon because it's got 25687 on modified engine. If you know a lot about engines you know that modified engine dies faster. 25687 miles for a stock engine isn't bad but compare to modified it is almost dead.





So you think it was ridden out of the dealership back in '92 , and someone immediately ripped the engine out and decided to tune it ? - Dont you think it's more likely that the engine has only been modified recently , and as such has only covered a fraction of the total mileage for the bike ? . All ya gotta do is ask to see the receipts for the engine work ( which you MUST do to verify that the alledged tuning work / components have been used ) look at the dates on the receipts , and you should be able to make a reasonable judgement as to the mileage covered since the engine was modded.


Some people like old cars/bikes with soul but some people love bikes for speed.



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bs.gifSo 'old' equals 'slow' right ? - WRONG ! , take the 'average' streetfighter ( if there is such a beast) -

Fairings and other uneccessary bits &amp; bobs ditched = lighter weight
Front end off a later model ( usually USD etc) = lighter weight , technically better suspension &amp; brakes
Rear end off a later model = same as above
Engine tuning work = more power ( if done properly ! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

So more power + lighter weight , not a bad start to improving the overall performance is it ?
my own streetfighter is an old 1989 GSXR 750K - but with over 200 rwhp on tap - there are not many modern bikes that can kick my ass fresh from the showroom.




The modified bike is great for the owner but it really looses resale value.


True ! - but you missed the point !, most people who build street fighters , dont do it so that they can make a profit on them afterwards - they are building a machine that will be unique for them , and yes it can cost money - but not necessarliy , especially if you do the work yourself , and most of them do .

Once built , it's rarely the case that you'll make a profit - which is all the more reason to buy one thats completed / part built - You wont have to fork out for all those trick bits that have already been done - hence you can save yourself a lot of money by buying a bike that has already been streetfightered




The bike is great as a show bike but not for riding



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bs.gif why the hell not ?? - you've improved the suspension , the brakes , the engine - why shouldn't it be ridden ? Everybody i know who rides a 'fighter , can ride the t*ts off them - this is the very reason that they are built for !! you should see the state of the tyres / footpegs on any of my bikes


I would never pay anything over $1800 but this is just me


So how much was your 2003 GSXR then ?

Just a question , cuz you got me interested - have you ever owned / built / ridden a streetfighter yourself ?

Have you ever built and tuned an oil cooled GSXR motor ?

My 2 cents....

Do not buy this bike if you have very limited mechanical skills. Old bikes, and especially modified ones usually break down more often and require more maintenance. The more frequent visits at your local bike shop will cost you a lot of $$$$.

And personnally, I'd rather have a bike with an 1052 or 1127 stock engine than this 750 tuned to its limits. High RPM annoy me and I prefer having a good low-mid range. Just rides so much better on the street.

I must agree with Lee that it seems kind of odd to ride a bike in 2nd gear at 10 000 rpm around town... I don't do it and have not seen anyone doing it so far. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wtf.gif

If a fighter has been built with care by someone competent, it is fooking sweet. But if the job has been botched, it can be a pile of shite. I'd ask for many more close-up pictures of this bike to get a better idea.

Paul

All I was saying is to be aware. Look at the mods as a whole. I did not say that this bike had been crashed but when you take in all the mods... Why wled the crank unless it had been spun? Like I said he had the right people do the work. I just wanted you to be wary of the head work unless you could verify who did it. It is easy to loose power by not doing it right. While most Fighters in Europe are beeing built out of good bikes now remember how it was five years ago? That is where we are here in the States. Mst of ours are being built our of crashed bikes. When I changed my 7-11 to a Fighter I did it out of desire to get back to basics, now there are a couple more here in Alaska and they were all wrecked at one time (mine was crashed only during its time as my race bike) just like the early days in Europe here there are alot of guys looking at a way to offload a wrecked bike. As alway buy what you want but remember it is a used bike.