First, we are lucky to have such a great group of peeps here who are knolegeable and helpful...thanx to all. With that said...

I visited the R1 forum to check out the new R1 and get some info. I love all bikes so why not. I have also been a member for over a year there. I started to read this thread titled 180 HP and couldn't believe the amount of shit talking and people totally believing that this bike is ready to put out 180 hp with a pressurized box...i had to chime in and call bs without even hyping th gix...R1 owners sure are some brand loyal idiots.

Check out the thread for some interesting reading. lol.

http://www.r1-forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=c7daaa94d7ea4f05e7e44cf4d713869a& threadid=53726

Later,

-B-

Damn they're getting all bent out of shape....nice to have a level headed discussion.... oh well guess they've been waiting 3 years for yami to come back... man are they going to be pissed when it puts down the same power as the 03 gixxer....

I'll be very impressed with yami if the new R1 puts down 150 hp at the rear.....and I don't mean in one of the british bike mags.... all there ## seem to be inflated or are getting "special" bikes..... I think they had a gixxer put down over 150 hp bone stock.... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

oh well if nothing else it pretty..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

20inBalleR said:
R1 owners sure are some brand loyal idiots.
-B-



Are you saying brand loyal people are idiots, or just brand loyal people that like R1's??

I'd love to see the R1 put down 160 HP to the ground. That just means when I get my new bike in 2005 it'll have 165-170 RWHP bone stock. I just love the fact that these manurfacturers are going at it like they are. It's the only reason why my GSXR1K is as good as it is. As for brand favortism, I liked my R1 and have nothing negative to say about it. Likewise for my GSXR. I say keep 'em battling, we reap the benifits.

I'm not saying that brand loyal people are idiots...just R1 brand loyal fans. I love all bikes personally. They are all amazing pieces of engineering. If someone told yo 10 years ago that you could buy a liter bike pushing close to 200 hp yoiu would slap them and call bs. Well the 200 hp day is nearing and i couldn't care less who brakes the barrier...yamaha, kawi, honda or zuki. It just pushes the others to keep up with them. I enjoy them all. I wish others could just relax and enjoy the ride sometimes. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

later,

-B-

what about kawi, or sister company? everyone is forgetting about them http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif ill bet the zx-10r turns out to be the moty next year, if not at least sportbike of the year, kawi is really keeping hush hush about it.

I like all 4 brand bikes (yamaha, kawasaki, honda and suzuki) I think it looks nice....but i like my bike alot (03 gsxr 1000). It is ok if they want to buy into the hype, but we all know it is Marketing hype. I have been here for a while but i normally donot post just lurk. A lot of good information here at Gixxer.com for gsxr owners. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif

The 180 HP is suppose to be at the Crank not the RW. Yamaha always puts out the crank HP, which means the RWHP will probably be at 155 ish. It still looks like the sickest bike out there right now. Well as far as looks goes

Detroit...i know that the 180 figure yamaha gave was at the crank. But not only was it at the crank but also with a pressurized airbox. On top of all of this, the production R1 won't be ready until Feb. or March of next year. That means that the motor being used it a preproduction motor for the R1 and of course it should put out some top notch figures. Just wait until the bikes hit the stores and all of the yamaha fans pick up their new babies and start to play with them a little. I'm sure the jaws will drop when they hit a dyno250 in real world conditions. My predictions...if they are in the 150-160 range at the rear wheel, i will still be amazed for a stock R1 but still think 150 is about all they'll get. Just my guess...any others care to put it out there?

later,

-B-

Even if the R1 ONLY puts down 150bhp to the rear wheel it is an awesome machine. You gotta give Yamaha props for such a great redesign. The horse power is a minor issue. I like all the new bikes looks, http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif just cant wait for some reviews on power to weight, handling, braking and all that stuff. Wheelies is my thing and so far the gix is king of da wheelies.

jhiestand said:

I'd love to see the R1 put down 160 HP to the ground. That just means when I get my new bike in 2005 it'll have 165-170 RWHP bone stock. I just love the fact that these manurfacturers are going at it like they are. It's the only reason why my GSXR1K is as good as it is. As for brand favortism, I liked my R1 and have nothing negative to say about it. Likewise for my GSXR. I say keep 'em battling, we reap the benifits.



http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif

DETROIT said:

The 180 HP is suppose to be at the Crank not the RW.



Exactly. 172 without ram air. Since there is no way to duplicate 150 mph winds on a dyno it will be impossible for the bike to get it's peak #'s down. Same holds true for the Gixxer, and any other ram air bike. 172 is only 7 more than Suzuki claims for the 1K, so I think that # is totally within reason. I'm not sure why Yamaha would even give that # anyway. They say 172 and 180, why not just leave it at 172 and be happy?
I think there are a lot of retards out there who don't understand the difference between RWHP and crank HP, and they are going to be let down when they see #'s no where near 180.

20inBalleR said:

I'm not saying that brand loyal people are idiots...just R1 brand loyal fans. I love all bikes personally. They are all amazing pieces of engineering. If someone told yo 10 years ago that you could buy a liter bike pushing close to 200 hp yoiu would slap them and call bs. Well the 200 hp day is nearing and i couldn't care less who brakes the barrier...yamaha, kawi, honda or zuki. It just pushes the others to keep up with them. I enjoy them all. I wish others could just relax and enjoy the ride sometimes. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

later,

-B-



I was pretty sure your inference was that. I just hate seeing that closed minded thinking.

Fortunately, I think you are actually contradicting yourself in a good way.

As you point out, no one would have thought way back when that things would be so good today and who cares what sticker is on the tank. But then for some reason the sentiment is currently that stupidity and Yamaha stickers on the tank go hand in hand, but how does that fly with the latter part of the statement? See how those dont kind of go together. I know you're saying your are not (which is a good thing), but the fact is even the Gixxer brand loyal guyswould be idiots too, as would the Honda brand loyals and so on...

This whole brand loyal BS is really prejudice when you think about it. Compare it to that and you see all the same undertones, value judgements, unfounded generalizations and stereotypes.

I think we all will agree that prejudice is completely idiotic and the sign of low intelligence.

Nothing wrong with being a fan of a particular bike, but there is a contrast between being a brand loyal idiot and having a favorite brand.

So just wanted to point out no need to bash the R1 guys and in doing so may infer the some kind of prejudice, and hope thats not the case.

Time will weed out the truths from hype soon enough. And if things dont play in Suzuki's favor next year, just think how it will read about 2005 1000 'hype'.

I've been posting over there trying to stop the insanity. A lot of the guys there are realistic and understand that it's all just marketing hype and don't buy it either. But there are few die-hard knuckleheads that just don't get it. Some even think it means 180 hp AT THE WHEEL! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

Oh let them enjoy the new R1, its beautiful, and besides, there was plenty of enjoyment around here for a few years.
I'm sure they are all great bikes (Suz, Kaw, Yam, Hon open classers), and I suspect in the end they all will have very similar hp and weights.
Thats fine by me, this has got to be a golden age for sportbikes. Not that I speed or anything... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

I think we should be weary of the company that isn't posting any specs. You know its the quiet ones you have to watch out for. I think we will be shocked with the final figures for some of these new designs, good and bad. Something tells me that Kawi is up to something. I have heard of ZX9's with Big Bore kits putting down 160ish. This was posted a while ago by someone here sorry to note fully quote.

So that said I think Kawi is the one to watch.

Heyabuza said:

I've been posting over there trying to stop the insanity. A lot of the guys there are realistic and understand that it's all just marketing hype and don't buy it either. But there are few die-hard knuckleheads that just don't get it. Some even think it means 180 hp AT THE WHEEL! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif


hahaha not to mention...just like on the 954...ever try and hold the front end of a R1 down under hard accel? I have ridden last years R1...a 954...and a few others but it comes down to one thing....like always.....RIDER!!!!!
why the hell does no one understand that there are VERY few people in this world that can even ride a 750 at its limit...much less a 1k or R1 http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

jhiestand said:

I'd love to see the R1 put down 160 HP to the ground. That just means when I get my new bike in 2005 it'll have 165-170 RWHP bone stock. I just love the fact that these manurfacturers are going at it like they are. It's the only reason why my GSXR1K is as good as it is. As for brand favortism, I liked my R1 and have nothing negative to say about it. Likewise for my GSXR. I say keep 'em battling, we reap the benifits.



I love this. The '04s are not even out, yet you know the '05 G1Ks will have 165-170 RWHP bone stock. Can I borrow your time machine so I can see what they will have in '07!

There are two things you never believe from the manufacturer. HP and weight.

But you guys are right about it being a good time to be bikers. All the bikes are so good, there are no losers.

Yeah, I've been reading that thread for a couple of days, it's been kinda funny.

First of all, it is going to be a great year no matter what kind of liter bike you're on.
Having said that, a couple of things bother me about the R1 Forum

#1) I hate how you can't download or view their images without being a member of the site. I'm just not willing to do that.

#2) Although there are some level headed people who seem interested in riding motorcycles, so many of their members seem to make themselves feel better by talking bad about other motorcycles. For instance, have you noticed how many of their login names are something like I8AGIX, or SUZSUCKS, etc. Now I'm not trying to be more holy-than-thou, because we certainly have some similar names/comments around here too, but I do feel sorry for people that aren't happy enough with their bike that they have to prove that it is better than somebody elses. Especially if it isn't. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

O.K. I'm done.

Oh yeah, Yamaha sucks. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

1k, R1, 9XX, ZX??......... it really does not matter much when it coes down to riding one of these new bikes on the streets.

I have seen Jason Pridmore pass on the outside of gsxr-750's and other so called "racers", all while riding two up on a Bandit 600. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

So let all who want cry "my bike is better than yours" (this would be what I call dick waving and is meaningless in real life), in the end 99% of the people who buy these bikes could never get all of the performance from the bike if they had a thousand years to try. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif

Not only that, but I have a 1000 mostly because of the nice fat torque curve. Take that away and move all the power way up, and I'm not all that interested.

Yamaha seems to be headed towards ''ZX-12 itis''. When the ZX-12R was in development, it was supposed to smash the Hayabusa. Marketing guys would respond to ''Will it beat a hayabusa?'' with ''It wasn't designed to do anything else.'' Then all the spy photos and rumors of bikes running over 200 on secret test tracks. Then......... the bike comes out. It turns out to be a pretty kick ass bike, but compared to what the marketing department made it out to be, it sucked shit. The bike has suffered ever since in the credibility and sales areas. If they would have kept their mouths shut, things would have come out much better.

Forget about the R1 boys. The ZX10 will be the one to watch - 162 to the rear, I'll try to dig up the link.

you Gixxer guys are just as brand loyal as the R1 guys... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/squid.gif

Nasty, dont even waste your time with that. I got a call from one of my Kwak buddies telling me about it and I kinda laughed. The guys on labusa or whoever doctored a dyno graph to read that (very easy in pshop or even paint) were not too smart about it and created a graph that read what Kwak claimed as being a crank HP. Maybe the guys didnt know the difference between wheel HP and BHP(crank).

If anyone thinks the ZX10 put 162 to the rear wheel, let alone beleive that one has really been dyno'd and released is not to bright themselves. But great way to throw a scare into the busa boys for those that took the bait.

If Yamaha comes up short or not we'll have to see. But they are not in the position that the Busa vs ZX12 where. That was all about top speed dick waving rights and Kwak promised they would beat the busa with the biggest number on the radar gun. If I remember the magazine test that was the official showdown test, the busa went 192 to the ZX's 189. The ZX was "prepped" by muzzy and they said something was wrong. They went back and later claimed that they overfilled the oil on the bike and the drag robbed enough power to make the difference. Later they gave it a second go (without the busa there) and ran it to 194. Problem was the death warrent was already signed in the first official article and no one read the little side bar that the ZX did actually do the business. Reality didnt matter because the opinions where set.

Like geek pointed out, if one little variable had been different that one morning, history and sales would have been very different. All over less than 5 MPH!!! In that category of the biggest and fastest, looks dont matter and as hard as the busa is to look at, that one little test did wonders for it. So Suzuki can actually thank Kwak for helping sell the busa as that did more for them than any of their own marketing.

For the R1, marketing would just put a little egg on their face from our point of view, but since they aren't making a direct promise, it will not effect their sales so much. As it is, they sell just fine based solely on their good looks. There is no question it shames the GSXR in the looks dept. If it brings some goods to the table too boot, it'll sell even stronger.

Expect a slow year for Suzuki and a slammin year for Kwak and Yamaha.

erixgix said:
Maybe the guys didnt know the difference between wheel HP and BHP(crank).




Not to sound lame here but HP is usually crank and BHP is wheel. Brake Horse Power.

BusaGeek@work said:

Yamaha seems to be headed towards ''ZX-12 itis''. When the ZX-12R was in development, it was supposed to smash the Hayabusa. Marketing guys would respond to ''Will it beat a hayabusa?'' with ''It wasn't designed to do anything else.'' Then all the spy photos and rumors of bikes running over 200 on secret test tracks. Then......... the bike comes out. It turns out to be a pretty kick ass bike, but compared to what the marketing department made it out to be, it sucked shit. The bike has suffered ever since in the credibility and sales areas. If they would have kept their mouths shut, things would have come out much better.




Not a good analogy. The ZX12 was restricted from the factory thanks to the BS 186 MPH limit. Had it been released in full spec form, it would have equaled, or beaten the Busa.

Nasty, your ZX12 gets eaten by the busa in the quarter....time and time again. Both are limited to 186. Now how in the hell is the ZX12 a badder bike? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif

This thread exists because people here are buying the hype and getting nervous. The switch from "my gixxer is the baddest" to "nobody can ride these things to their potential" is the single funniest thing I have seen since the the gixxer came out and the exact same sentiments were expessed on the R1 boards. Please people, come up for air already.

jeffw said:

1k, R1, 9XX, ZX??......... it really does not matter much when it coes down to riding one of these new bikes on the streets.

I have seen Jason Pridmore pass on the outside of gsxr-750's and other so called "racers", all while riding two up on a Bandit 600. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

So let all who want cry "my bike is better than yours" (this would be what I call dick waving and is meaningless in real life), in the end 99% of the people who buy these bikes could never get all of the performance from the bike if they had a thousand years to try. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif



Jeeeze dude, finally somebody said it!! 180 hp or not, I really don't think any1 will be able to put the R1, ZX-10, or CBR1000 around the tracks faster than Mladin and team Yoshimura.. Looking forward to the 04 AMA Superbike season... "Let the games begin" http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

nastytls said:


BusaGeek@work said:

Yamaha seems to be headed towards ''ZX-12 itis''. When the ZX-12R was in development, it was supposed to smash the Hayabusa. Marketing guys would respond to ''Will it beat a hayabusa?'' with ''It wasn't designed to do anything else.'' Then all the spy photos and rumors of bikes running over 200 on secret test tracks. Then......... the bike comes out. It turns out to be a pretty kick ass bike, but compared to what the marketing department made it out to be, it sucked shit. The bike has suffered ever since in the credibility and sales areas. If they would have kept their mouths shut, things would have come out much better.




Not a good analogy. The ZX12 was restricted from the factory thanks to the BS 186 MPH limit. Had it been released in full spec form, it would have equaled, or beaten the Busa.



Yeah, riiiiiiiight. The 186 limit started in 2001, the second year of the ZX-12. I like the 12R, but it's no 'Busa killer. I think the same will happen to the R1, it will be a damn fine bike, but if it falls short of the GSXR-1000, there will be an undying conspiricy theory that the R1 was nuetered. Just like the ZX-12R.

Shaman said:

Not only that, but I have a 1000 mostly because of the nice fat torque curve. Take that away and move all the power way up, and I'm not all that interested.



Exactly! That's what I LOVE about my 1000, is there is no "hit" in the power anywhere, it just builds and pulls harder the more you rev it. And you don't really need to rev it much to have a yeehaw good time on the street. If the R1 and/or ZX10 has all that power, but it's up top and peaky, it might make for a great race bike, but not so much a street bike. But we'll just have to wait and see.

20inBalleR said:

Nasty, your ZX12 gets eaten by the busa in the quarter....time and time again. Both are limited to 186. Now how in the hell is the ZX12 a badder bike? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif



MY ZX12? First off, I don't own one. Second, all I said was that the 12 was restricted before it was ever released. Third, I never said it was a "badder" bike. Read the post before you attack. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

BusaGeek@work said:

Yamaha seems to be headed towards ''ZX-12 itis''. When the ZX-12R was in development, it was supposed to smash the Hayabusa. Marketing guys would respond to ''Will it beat a hayabusa?'' with ''It wasn't designed to do anything else.'' Then all the spy photos and rumors of bikes running over 200 on secret test tracks. Then......... the bike comes out. It turns out to be a pretty kick ass bike, but compared to what the marketing department made it out to be, it sucked shit. The bike has suffered ever since in the credibility and sales areas. If they would have kept their mouths shut, things would have come out much better.



and here i thought the reason for the zx-12's poor sales was because the ram air intake looked like it was designed by fisher-price.

P.S.
Looks like the Busa falls almost half a second short of " eating" the 12.
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/

nastytls said:

P.S.
Looks like the Busa falls almost half a second short of " eating" the 12.
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/



so you start talking top end and restrictions.....then switch to 1/4 tilmes??????? Whats up with that???

jeffw said:


nastytls said:

P.S.
Looks like the Busa falls almost half a second short of " eating" the 12.
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/performancedata/



so you start talking top end and restrictions.....then switch to 1/4 tilmes??????? Whats up with that???




Actually smart guy, I didn't switch 1/4 times, 20inchballer did. That would be why I quoted him. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif Said it before, and I'll say it again. Read the posts before you open your mouth. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif

Are you trying to give us a demonstration of ''ZX12 itis'' so we know what to expect from R1 owners next year???

That 10.34 in Motorcyclist is the worst time the 'Busa has ever recorded. They have since run a stock 'Busa way under 10 seconds, but they haven't bothered to update the web page. They did, however, finally get around to updating the back of Motorcyclist magazine. The only reason I am not going to inundate you with evidence that the Hayabusa is faster is because to do so would be wayyyyy off topic.

Nasty, you need to pick up the August 03 issue of Motorcyclist Mag and read the cover story. The busa stomped all over the ZX12R in every single category. Good article...about 10 pages long. And that page you posted has some messed up numbers. The highest i've ever seen the busa and the lowest i've seen the 12R in any hard numbers section. I also like the listing of the K1, K2, and K3 1000's. The more Hp they get, the slower they become in the 1/4...weird. 01 is hittng 9.76 @ 148 with ONLY 143 bhp and the 03 is listed at 10.08@ 142 with 152 bhp. Different Riders? Different Elevation? Who knows... little fishy???

Don't take things so personal nasty. I just don't think running a bike near 200 mph says anything about the streetability, handling, weight, or anything else useful for that matter. If you would like to judge all bikes by their top unrestricted speeds, the 12R may be the bike for you. I like a bike with lots of useable power with a smooth delivery across a broad range in an overall package that is still light and nimble. That's why i fell in love with the gix750 and the step up to the 1K only felt natural. Just my .02.

later,
-B-

nastytls said:

Actually smart guy, I didn't switch 1/4 times, 20inchballer did. That would be why I quoted him. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif Said it before, and I'll say it again. Read the posts before you open your mouth. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif



Relax, I was just giving you a bit of shit here....... nothing more http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

20inBalleR said:

Nasty, you need to pick up the August 03 issue of Motorcyclist Mag and read the cover story. The busa stomped all over the ZX12R in every single category. Good article...about 10 pages long. And that page you posted has some messed up numbers. The highest i've ever seen the busa and the lowest i've seen the 12R in any hard numbers section. I also like the listing of the K1, K2, and K3 1000's. The more Hp they get, the slower they become in the 1/4...weird. 01 is hittng 9.76 @ 148 with ONLY 143 bhp and the 03 is listed at 10.08@ 142 with 152 bhp. Different Riders? Different Elevation? Who knows... little fishy???

Don't take things so personal nasty. I just don't think running a bike near 200 mph says anything about the streetability, handling, weight, or anything else useful for that matter. If you would like to judge all bikes by their top unrestricted speeds, the 12R may be the bike for you. I like a bike with lots of useable power with a smooth delivery across a broad range in an overall package that is still light and nimble. That's why i fell in love with the gix750 and the step up to the 1K only felt natural. Just my .02.

later,
-B-




Again, I am not a ZX12 rider, or a Busa rider. I was merely stating that the original analogy wasn't the greatest in my opinion. If you have #'s that are substantially different, thats is fine.
Have a nice day. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

jeffw said:


nastytls said:

Actually smart guy, I didn't switch 1/4 times, 20inchballer did. That would be why I quoted him. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif Said it before, and I'll say it again. Read the posts before you open your mouth. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/idea.gif



Relax, I was just giving you a bit of shit here....... nothing more http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif




No harm, no foul. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif

jeffw said:


So let all who want cry "my bike is better than yours" (this would be what I call dick waving and is meaningless in real life), in the end 99% of the people who buy these bikes could never get all of the performance from the bike if they had a thousand years to try. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif



Arent you in the middle of building the biggest dick with your 01?

I am getting one because I love the look and always have liked their style but I own a 02 1k and will be keeping it to. I have ridden several R1s and don't care for their ride. But I have got to have one of the new ones just because of the look.

GSXR O.G. said:


jeffw said:


So let all who want cry "my bike is better than yours" (this would be what I call dick waving and is meaningless in real life), in the end 99% of the people who buy these bikes could never get all of the performance from the bike if they had a thousand years to try. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif



Arent you in the middle of building the biggest dick with your 01?



Nah, my 350 lb, 190hp bike will see life as a racer..... soon I will sell it to some one that will race it.

jeffw said:


GSXR O.G. said:


jeffw said:


So let all who want cry "my bike is better than yours" (this would be what I call dick waving and is meaningless in real life), in the end 99% of the people who buy these bikes could never get all of the performance from the bike if they had a thousand years to try. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif



Arent you in the middle of building the biggest dick with your 01?



Nah, my 350 lb, 190hp bike will see life as a racer..... soon I will sell it to some one that will race it.



Good Idea http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif