I figured since so many people come on and ask what oil, I will start this thread for advice from anyone. My choice is Amsoil, and you can see stats at www.amsoil.com for any information you want.:cheers

I figured since so many people come on and ask what oil, I will start this thread for advice from anyone. My choice is Amsoil, and you can see stats at www.amsoil.com for any information you want.:cheers

Thanks for your help on this. I would hope though if members from this site want info or to purchase AMSOIL that it would be through our dealer group that is supporting this site as a sponosor. You can go to www.ezlubes.com or the banners on this site. I personally have been using Amsoil in all my bikes for the last 27 years.

We have been getting some valid e-mails questioning our background as a diversified dealer group advertising here. Here is one of them I want to share.

Tell me how a banker, computer, construction, or military guy knows what is best for my application. Almost like asking a baker to service my car.


Thanks for the question, as you are the first to ask this. I will give you the short version, it's called Training. All these dealers making up the dealer group come from different walks of life and experiences. Since they have become oil dealers they have received a lot of lubricant training and most of them have received more training than field reps for very large oil companies. I have been a licensed mechanic since 1969 and I have received tons of tech training over the years, but no lubricant training other than learning how to troubleshoot and repair oil systems. Very few mechanics, as well as dealerships and service departments, know anything about lubricants mostly because they have never been trained in that industry. They often form opinions with no basis or logic to support it and in the dealerships most only tell what they have been trained to say by the manufactures or their boss at best. The oil dealers of our group may not know all the answers, but they certainly know where to go to get the right answer.

george
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I figured since so many people come on and ask what oil, I will start this thread for advice from anyone. My choice is Amsoil, and you can see stats at www.amsoil.com for any information you want.:cheers

+1000

Looking for the MotorCycle oil test reports..

http://bestoil4you.com/files/g2156MCoilStudy.pdf


Doc

Looking for the MotorCycle oil test reports..

http://bestoil4you.com/files/g2156MCoilStudy.pdf


Doc

Good link. Provided conclusive evidience in the very last page that Amsoil came in 1st all around.:burnout

that link shows that the amsoil 10w40 doesnt pass the jaso MA standard because it doesnt allow enough friction for the clutch plates to adhere, i guess you cant have it all by having the best wear protection and the best clutch grip. im just mentioning this because i think people might want to know if you are hard ont eh clutch witht his oil its more likely that you burn it out faster.

that link shows that the amsoil 10w40 doesnt pass the jaso MA standard because it doesnt allow enough friction for the clutch plates to adhere, i guess you cant have it all by having the best wear protection and the best clutch grip. im just mentioning this because i think people might want to know if you are hard ont eh clutch witht his oil its more likely that you burn it out faster.

What link are you referring to? Amsoil motorcycle oils meet the ma requirement period.
george

anyone can become a amsoil dealer ... i know i am:) no training required, i use it in my cars

i use amsoil too! and only use that in all my vehicles. i dont know what the hell was in my bike before i owned it. but i def could tell the difference in the first twist of my wrist

THE RATINGS OF OIL IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING((A.P.I JASO)) so what ever you are going to be using oil in((bikes cars,trucks)) see what the factor fill is (( what rating is requiered)) then what ever oil you want to run make sure it meats or exceeds the requierments... and for me i run amsoil 10w-40 witch is jaso ma1/ma2

What link are you referring to? Amsoil motorcycle oils meet the ma requirement period.
george

if i read the page correctly its fromt he pdf link that was posted two posts before mine i may be wrong and amsoil did get 1st place overall but i dont think it passed for wet clutch standards in the test.

Rotella FTMFW:punk

if i read the page correctly its fromt he pdf link that was posted two posts before mine i may be wrong and amsoil did get 1st place overall but i dont think it passed for wet clutch standards in the test.

Are you talking about the regular 10-40? There is a specific motorcycle 10-40 Amsoil

no im talking aboutt he motorcycle 10w40 thats compared in this article http://bestoil4you.com/files/g2156MCoilStudy.pdf

valvoline synpower 10w30:burnout FTMFW

pretty good stuff for $19 for 5 quarts. if i didnt use this then i would go back to what i was originally using rotella t

j

no im talking aboutt he motorcycle 10w40 thats compared in this article http://bestoil4you.com/files/g2156MCoilStudy.pdf

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You better reread that article. It clearly says Amsoil 10-40 IS indeed wet clutch compatible, and not only that, it ranked overall #1.

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You better reread that article. It clearly says Amsoil 10-40 IS indeed wet clutch compatible, and not only that, it ranked overall #1.

+1000

well guys i looked over the article and i think what happened was that i was looking at the blank line above the scoring for amsoil. im sorry about the confusion but i have been on some meds and recently had some problems with my eyes and memory so im sorry for the confusion or frustration that i have caused anyone. i stand corrected.

well guys i looked over the article and i think what happened was that i was looking at the blank line above the scoring for amsoil. im sorry about the confusion but i have been on some meds and recently had some problems with my eyes and memory so im sorry for the confusion or frustration that i have caused anyone. i stand corrected.

no problem:cheers

I just have to ask who is David E. Leitten ???

This report was paid for by Amsoil.

Reading thru it , I'm a little sceptical about some of their statements and findings.

Anyone know of an impartial report out there that supports these claims.

I've asked this question before and no-one will answer me.

Is Amsoil part of Amway ????

:rolleyes

Amsoil is a good oil, just use it.

I would if i could find it , never seen it on the shelves on any reputable dealer, performance shop , so where do you get it from.

Is it only available in the states ???

Rotella FTMFW:punk

yea. bitches... Rotella synthetic is where its at... :biggrin

yea. bitches... Rotella synthetic is where its at... :biggrin


Yeah, still on the shelves where it belongs.

^^^^^yea bitches rotella t syn for 18 a gallon..its the shit..eveyone else is pissing in the wind..no offense but i only hear people the sell amsoil rave about it..anyone raving about the price...amsoil=ovooverrated oooverpriced..go to wallyworld and put the saved monies towards gear or tyres

i guess it works on our halk million dollar machines at work, im guessing it will work in our bikes..look at the facts people.do your OWN homework

Amsoil

:shifty

rotella t synthetic oil change w. oem filter 26 otd
amsoil oil change w oem filter 48 otd:wacko:wacko:wacko:wtf

The price is in the quality:burnout

keep thinkin that ! i will save the 22 and change the oil in 6k for 4 bucks!:punk

:woot

i mean, i'm no mechanic or oil specialist, but the guys at blackstone labs say that rotella t syn holds up very well in motorcycles... even high-revving machines like ours. the only downfall is the ash level is ever so slightly above what's recommended

i mean, i'm no mechanic or oil specialist, but the guys at blackstone labs say that rotella t syn holds up very well in motorcycles... even high-revving machines like ours. the only downfall is the ash level is ever so slightly above what's recommended

Hey, i can care less what people run in their bikes, but if I want to spend more money on a better oil, i think i can, right:dunno

.... if you really believe it's better oil you're paying for....

rotella t synthetic oil change w. oem filter 26 otd
amsoil oil change w oem filter 48 otd:wacko:wacko:wacko:wtf

I pay the same price with a dealer as you do for Rotella for my Amsoil and filter:burnout

.... if you really believe it's better oil you're paying for....

I looked at my reciepts, I pay the same through a dealer, and yes, I believe its a better oil.

and yes, I believe its a better oil.

based off what? have you compared oil analysis from both?

how do you know? have you compared oil analysis from both?

I didnt say I know, I said I believe. (my opinion):cheers

well your opinions wrong..hahaha:hammer:banghead:flipoff
vtw- if your dealer changes your oil with amsoil and a filter for 26 bucks they are losing monies..if your dealer is giving you 4 qts of oil and an oem filter for 26 they are losing monies..i guess your gettin hooked up bro..im guessing your changing it yourself for 26otd..kinda funny cause i know some "amsoil dealers "and they dont get a qt for 5.oo..maybe your dealership is the mega amsoil dealer or someones fucking up big time:cheers

well your opinions wrong..hahaha:hammer:banghead:flipoff
vtw- if your dealer changes your oil with amsoil and a filter for 26 bucks they are losing monies..if your dealer is giving you 4 qts of oil and an oem filter for 26 they are losing monies..i guess your gettin hooked up bro..im guessing your changing it yourself for 26otd..kinda funny cause i know some "amsoil dealers "and they dont get a qt for 5.oo..maybe your dealership is the mega amsoil dealer or someones fucking up big time:cheers

Who's GSXR bike takes 4 quarts of oil:scratch And yes, I change it myself, don't you? And how can someones opinion be wrong:scratch

:dunno



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well your opinions wrong..hahaha:hammer:banghead:flipoff
vtw- if your dealer changes your oil with amsoil and a filter for 26 bucks they are losing monies..if your dealer is giving you 4 qts of oil and an oem filter for 26 they are losing monies..i guess your gettin hooked up bro..im guessing your changing it yourself for 26otd..kinda funny cause i know some "amsoil dealers "and they dont get a qt for 5.oo..maybe your dealership is the mega amsoil dealer or someones fucking up big time:cheers
anyone can be a amsoil dealer. you make money selling it and signing people up through you. its just marketing. the more you sell and the more people sign up to sell themselves or just customers signing up and you signing them the more money you will make. so in turn will be like you are getting the oil at a cheaper price. like i said ANYONE can sign up you dont need a special license or anything..

amsoil motorcycle oil is dealer cost from like 5.30 to 5.65 a QT.... and if the dealer orders more than say order is over 1000 to like 2499 you take another 2% off dealer cost.. there are diffferent levels and if you order is over 9000.00 you take 10% more.

I think the confusion is I buy my amsoil from a private dealer, not a bike or shop dealer. I buy 3 quarts of oil, and a filter, and go home and change my oil for the same price.:cheers

my gsxr 750 takes 4 quarts basically..id say 3-3/4 qts.. yes i do it myself..

my gsxr 750 takes 4 quarts basically..id say 3-3/4 qts.. yes i do it myself..

Thats a full quart more than almost EVERYONE on here puts in their bike.

well the what it takes..what do you want me to say..your saying most put in 2 3/4?..seems low..i dunno my window is right where it should be on full

The 06/07's take 2600ml w/ a filter change..... you're putting in way too much oil dude... your window shouldn't be full when the bike is level(you check it level right?), it should be between halfway and about 3/4 of the window

^ +1

why shouldnt it read full//i guess i can always suck some out via the dipstick hole..i always have put in roughly 4 qts and the window said full level.hmm interesting:cheers

^ if it fills up the whole sightglass when the bike's level it's too full.... read the manual dude

i will before bed tonite..thanks andrew, always a help! confused but i will read my manual

wait- i re read...my sightglass has a a "f" and a "l"..full and low..i just checked, and just changed the oil a few weeks ago and it says at 3 3/4 qts full(i but the 4 gal jug of rotella) its full being level..im guessing im correct cause i had no problems before.. always ran the same..i would think full is good .?

over filling it is not good! please only add up to about 3/4 the way on the window. i have a 1000 and i only put in a little over 3 quarts. once mine is filled its between half and 3/4 full in the window. i use the valvoline oil and the container has 5quarts in it. once done with an oil change, it has about 1 1/4- 1 1/2 quarts left. a 750 holds less.

j

wait- i re read...my sightglass has a a "f" and a "l"..full and low..i just checked, and just changed the oil a few weeks ago and it says at 3 3/4 qts full(i but the 4 gal jug of rotella) its full being level..im guessing im correct cause i had no problems before.. always ran the same..i would think full is good .?

You talk all this crap about Amsoil yet you dont even know how to change your own oil LMAO fuckin n00b

Ok guys, I wanted to put in my 2 cents in on the whole oil thing. When I searched this site at first for oil recommendations all I found was people raving about this or that with no actual scientific testing basis and/or a whole lot of bashing the next guy for what he uses. I am VERY particular about things like this, and I was looking to find some good numbers and real world use, not just "well the paper says it's good" or "well mine never broke using brand X". I try to personally test anything I use to see how well it performs before actually using it. To make a long story short, I went through and researched myself, and as much as I like to see factual numbers, I like to hear about the real world applications myself. So I asked around (a lot) and talked to people that really know a lot about racing, engines, performance, etc. and also read up on it a good bit. Heard a lot of good things about several oils, I personally am a fan of rotella, but really heard great things about amsoil, and its showing to be at the top of the charts in almost all tests (rotella didn't have testing results for motorcycles, though it is a great high performance oil). So I decided to give it a shot, and needless to say so far I am exceedingly impressed. I could not believe how noticeable the difference was right off the bat. Shifting was much smoother, the bike ran better (also more smooth), sounded better, all the way around just performed much better, you get the picture. Now I didn't expect to even notice a difference, but if the stuff is good enough to blatantly perform so much better that it's that noticeable it's got my attention (and there are numbers to back it up). I think it's great stuff. Like I said, just my 2 cents, hope this helps someone out who is sifting through all the BS.

Ok guys, I wanted to put in my 2 cents in on the whole oil thing. When I searched this site at first for oil recommendations all I found was people raving about this or that with no actual scientific testing basis and/or a whole lot of bashing the next guy for what he uses. I am VERY particular about things like this, and I was looking to find some good numbers and real world use, not just "well the paper says it's good" or "well mine never broke using brand X". I try to personally test anything I use to see how well it performs before actually using it. To make a long story short, I went through and researched myself, and as much as I like to see factual numbers, I like to hear about the real world applications myself. So I asked around (a lot) and talked to people that really know a lot about racing, engines, performance, etc. and also read up on it a good bit. Heard a lot of good things about several oils, I personally am a fan of rotella, but really heard great things about amsoil, and its showing to be at the top of the charts in almost all tests (rotella didn't have testing results for motorcycles, though it is a great high performance oil). So I decided to give it a shot, and needless to say so far I am exceedingly impressed. I could not believe how noticeable the difference was right off the bat. Shifting was much smoother, the bike ran better (also more smooth), sounded better, all the way around just performed much better, you get the picture. Now I didn't expect to even notice a difference, but if the stuff is good enough to blatantly perform so much better that it's that noticeable it's got my attention (and there are numbers to back it up). I think it's great stuff. Like I said, just my 2 cents, hope this helps someone out who is sifting through all the BS.

good post...with amsoil you get what you pay for...which is a badass oil.

Ok guys, I wanted to put in my 2 cents in on the whole oil thing. When I searched this site at first for oil recommendations all I found was people raving about this or that with no actual scientific testing basis and/or a whole lot of bashing the next guy for what he uses. I am VERY particular about things like this, and I was looking to find some good numbers and real world use, not just "well the paper says it's good" or "well mine never broke using brand X". I try to personally test anything I use to see how well it performs before actually using it. To make a long story short, I went through and researched myself, and as much as I like to see factual numbers, I like to hear about the real world applications myself. So I asked around (a lot) and talked to people that really know a lot about racing, engines, performance, etc. and also read up on it a good bit. Heard a lot of good things about several oils, I personally am a fan of rotella, but really heard great things about amsoil, and its showing to be at the top of the charts in almost all tests (rotella didn't have testing results for motorcycles, though it is a great high performance oil). So I decided to give it a shot, and needless to say so far I am exceedingly impressed. I could not believe how noticeable the difference was right off the bat. Shifting was much smoother, the bike ran better (also more smooth), sounded better, all the way around just performed much better, you get the picture. Now I didn't expect to even notice a difference, but if the stuff is good enough to blatantly perform so much better that it's that noticeable it's got my attention (and there are numbers to back it up). I think it's great stuff. Like I said, just my 2 cents, hope this helps someone out who is sifting through all the BS.

good post...with amsoil you get what you pay for...which is a badass oil.

First of all I want to make sure that Joeyrocket is talking about Amsoil and not Shell Rotella T synthetic?

Amsoil does sound like great oil, the only reason why I think I want to try Shell rotella T synthetic is the fact that its soooo much cheaper, and people here love it, every person is speak to seems to know what they are talking about and they Race their bikes.....

I need to change my oil soon and I just cant make up my mind what so ever, I know I can try one and go to another if I dont like it, but I am the kind of person that wants the best and stick with it, I dont like being a guinea pig lol!

I use Silkolene 4t. It's titties, plain and simple.:cheers

look what just showed up to my desk at work...yay!

http://upshizzle.com/gallery/albums/October_2008/1amsoil.JPG (http://upshizzle.com)

Yes, anyone can sign up as an AMSOIL Dealer and we are always looking for Good Dealers..

so your saying i could sign up and sell this stuff personally? like out of my barracks room here on base? sell it on ebay and what not?

Well I am running a test comparing Amsoil 10w40 syn and Rotella T 5w40 synthetic.

Right now I am putting Rotella into the bike and later I will try Amsoil. I sent an email to them to see if they are willing to provide the oil and I will pay for the filter and for the tests! So far they did not provide the oil, they just sent me a link with tests and said that their oil was great even after 8K miles! To me it means NOTHING!

Shell provided me with the oil to do the test... that tells me someone is confident in their product!

IF amsoil is not confident to spend a few bucks for real life testing and to get a good name, which to them it is a few bucks than I dont know if I can trust the company. I hear good things I want to see, I want to see in everyday use and lab tests that Amsoil is worth DOUBLE the money!

Well I am running a test comparing Amsoil 10w40 syn and Rotella T 5w40 synthetic.

Right now I am putting Rotella into the bike and later I will try Amsoil. I sent an email to them to see if they are willing to provide the oil and I will pay for the filter and for the tests! So far they did not provide the oil, they just sent me a link with tests and said that their oil was great even after 8K miles! To me it means NOTHING!

Shell provided me with the oil to do the test... that tells me someone is confident in their product!

IF amsoil is not confident to spend a few bucks for real life testing and to get a good name, which to them it is a few bucks than I dont know if I can trust the company. I hear good things I want to see, I want to see in everyday use and lab tests that Amsoil is worth DOUBLE the money!

Rotella sent you the oil because its so cheap. If everyone wanted to run tests, Amsoil would have to send them all free oil I assume? Pretty damn expensive if you ask me. Ive used Amsoil since I had a machine of any sort, and will never use anything else. Other oils will work fine I'm sure also. But even I don't trust your independent study on oil. Do you have all the proper equipment to test oils? Acidity, ball bearing wear, hot/cold temp, and the other 50 tests needed for a proper oil test?:dunno Personally I doubt it, and am guessing you will just run that oil and this oil and say "that one looks lighter, and seems to shift smoother". That will prove NOTHING. Google motorcycle oil tests, there are plenty of independent tests online, not amsoil company sponsered that will show real life tests. Amsoil and Mobile are the top 2 all the time.

i use amsoil in my car!! and i think its awesome!!!
i am about to change my oil and will most definably use amsoil!!!

I'm an Amsoil dealer as well and have been for a few years. I use it in all my cars and my bike. Alot of friends get their oil through me as well. :cheers

Rotella sent you the oil because its so cheap. If everyone wanted to run tests, Amsoil would have to send them all free oil I assume? Pretty damn expensive if you ask me. Ive used Amsoil since I had a machine of any sort, and will never use anything else. Other oils will work fine I'm sure also. But even I don't trust your independent study on oil. Do you have all the proper equipment to test oils? Acidity, ball bearing wear, hot/cold temp, and the other 50 tests needed for a proper oil test?:dunno Personally I doubt it, and am guessing you will just run that oil and this oil and say "that one looks lighter, and seems to shift smoother". That will prove NOTHING. Google motorcycle oil tests, there are plenty of independent tests online, not amsoil company sponsered that will show real life tests. Amsoil and Mobile are the top 2 all the time.

To answer your question I WONT BE DOING THE TEST OBVIOUSLY, I will be sending the oil out to blackstone labs where it will cost me 22.50 to test the oil, I will run two test so its $45. Everyone is also not me, and I will stand by my workds and say if they are confident in their product than they should provide a few quarts so that I can test it. If not than fine by me I will just not do buisness with them. All the test I see online are not from someone I know and also more than likely a Amsoil dealer!

For Rotella I see the average joe sending out a sample and getting results, so why would I spend the extra money on amsoil? Well thats a question I can answer. And believe me if they decide to invest a few lame quarts of oil, well first of all I will give them A LOT of buisness... I have 7 vehicles which are used a lot! I am also on many forums and so you get the point... Anyway I did not get an answer from them yet, So I am just going to stick to Rotella. And YES ITS CHEAP, CHEAP AND GOOD! But do I want the best yes....

i think i might get the 275 gallon tote, its a pretty good deal for only $9,300

my card came in the mail yesterday...hell yeah!

http://upshizzle.com/gallery/albums/October_2008/4amsoil.JPG (http://upshizzle.com)

I use AMSOIL as well.

Well I am running a test comparing Amsoil 10w40 syn and Rotella T 5w40 synthetic.

Right now I am putting Rotella into the bike and later I will try Amsoil. I sent an email to them to see if they are willing to provide the oil and I will pay for the filter and for the tests! So far they did not provide the oil, they just sent me a link with tests and said that their oil was great even after 8K miles! To me it means NOTHING!

Shell provided me with the oil to do the test... that tells me someone is confident in their product!

IF amsoil is not confident to spend a few bucks for real life testing and to get a good name, which to them it is a few bucks than I dont know if I can trust the company. I hear good things I want to see, I want to see in everyday use and lab tests that Amsoil is worth DOUBLE the money!

To answer your question I WONT BE DOING THE TEST OBVIOUSLY, I will be sending the oil out to blackstone labs where it will cost me 22.50 to test the oil, I will run two test so its $45. Everyone is also not me, and I will stand by my workds and say if they are confident in their product than they should provide a few quarts so that I can test it. If not than fine by me I will just not do buisness with them. All the test I see online are not from someone I know and also more than likely a Amsoil dealer!

For Rotella I see the average joe sending out a sample and getting results, so why would I spend the extra money on amsoil? Well thats a question I can answer. And believe me if they decide to invest a few lame quarts of oil, well first of all I will give them A LOT of buisness... I have 7 vehicles which are used a lot! I am also on many forums and so you get the point... Anyway I did not get an answer from them yet, So I am just going to stick to Rotella. And YES ITS CHEAP, CHEAP AND GOOD! But do I want the best yes....

Yes, you asked for oil and I am not going to send oil out to every "Joe" that thinks their tests will prove something..

AMSOIL has had the oils and filters not only tested by Certified Labs under precise ASTM Tests, but have been tested in the real world environments under much more controlled circumstances than you could produce... You don't just go out and put X amount of miles on, send a Sample in and call it a test. If it was that easy, anyone could and would do it.

AMSOIL is the largest manufacturer of synthetic Motorcycle oil. I think we have all the credibility necessary.

I am sorry that you felt the need to air this in a public forum.

Bob

For anyone that is interested, we sell AMSOIL at the lowest possible price. Nobody beats our prices.. No Clubs to join, no membership fees to pay, no minimums to purchase.
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