I saw this this morning and I thought I would pass it on. The claim is a lighter and much more powerful R-1 :
http://www.amasuperbike.com/2003-Sep/030909r1.htm

Thoughts?

This bike looks so hardass. Yamaha has posted the new 2k4 R1 on their site too R1 WebSite (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/unitinfo.asp?lid=2&lc=mcy&cid=5&mid=6) I'm sure the MSRP will be $10,999 so I'll have to wait a few years before I can even consider this powerhouse.

Final Thought: I love it http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/04_R1_tail2_17340.jpg

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/04R1_blu_6f_17340.jpg

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/04R1_red_5_1734.jpg

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/04R1_red_6f_1734.jpg

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/04r1_tires_1734.jpg

The new R6 looks hype too:

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/04R6_slv_1_6249.jpg

Not many updates for 2k4 though:

New for 2004:

<ul type="square"> Remapped fuel injection for improved response throughout the powerband.

Larger volume exhaust canister for improved exhaust flow at high rpm.

New-design 120/60-ZR17 front and 180/55-ZR17 rear Dunlop radial tires deliver excellent grip. [/list]

here's a few vids pulled from yamies site

Engine Part 1 (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/mcy/media/video/04/r1/04r1_engine1-0820.mpg)

Engine Part 2 (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/mcy/media/video/04/r1/04r1_engine2-0820.mpg)

R1 Styling (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/mcy/media/video/04/r1/04r1_style-0820.mpg)

R1 Chassis (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/mcy/media/video/04/r1/04r1_chassis-0820.mpg)

R1 Wheels / Brakes (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/products/mcy/media/video/04/r1/04r1_wheel-close-0820.mpg)
http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

thalassa said:

I saw this this morning and I thought I would pass it on. The claim is a lighter and much more powerful R-1 :

Thoughts?



Sure... I wonder if Yam will have the balls to run the R1 in AMA SuperBike next year. The current generation has no fucking chance. I guess we will see at Daytona next March.. huh.

180 hp my ass (crank + RAM AIR figure??)....can't wait until I get one on the dyno at Olathe (assuming if a buyer can stand to see the facts instead of marketing bs). http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif

Jeff couldnt had said it better myself.

jeffw said:
Sure... I wonder if Yam will have the balls to run the R1 in AMA SuperBike next year. The current generation has no fucking chance. I guess we will see at Daytona next March.. huh.




Well from what I've read, Yamaha WON'T be doing WSB, but maybe AMA/BSB?

I think it's funny how Yammy guys say how great the R1 is.. till I ask em how many Superbike races has it won... or even competed in? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I guess one could say Yamaha was smart to concentrate all their efforts on the class they can win... Supersport.

Any way you slice it, 04 looks to be a banner year for the liter bike class. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

I would hate to think my 03 1K is going to already be outdated come spring, but if this really puts out 180hp I think my Gix is already old. That is a huge jump from this years claimed hp of 130.

Man, all the new bikes with the pipes undertail deal.
Ducati 916 was way ahead of its time.
Guess 4-lines now just learn how to do it huh.

Before chalking up all the credit to Ducati for undertail exhausts (and bashing the Jap makers), you may want to take a look at some old Honda photos to refresh your memory.

I'll start you off with two letters.... N and R.

Screw my Gix. I am buying an R1. I will buy anthing from a picture and PR hype http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/sleep.gif

Its amazing to hear so many people say how bad ass this or that bike is from pictures. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif Does anyone buy their bike to ride. Far as buying a bike and being outdated, that is all part of it. Would you ever buy a new bike if they never changed. I don't want to start something here but I think there are other things to consider when spending 10g's.

I think it rocks that all manufacturers are producing 1k's considering a few years ago no one did. We are the ones benifiting from all the competition. The next couple year will be great.

180 hp- WTF is crank + ram air that to mean? I wanna see the dyno slip on that shit. I don't care about crank hp anyway. What does it get to the rear tire?

If its got 180hp it must have 100 ft/lbs of torque too? If thats the case going to be a lot of dead stunters.

when i look at this bike i think of a rat.. i dont know why its got to be the damn front end of it... every bike for the 04 so for is looking like a rat except suzuki http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/r14.jpg

You gotta hand it to their marketing folks to drop this right before the Suzuki release and a week before Milan. They definately are aiming at taking the wind out of Suzuki's sail.

We'll have to see what kind of real power it makes, but I thought its kind of interesting that they went toward their old genesis motor design with the banked cylinders. Of course back then the FZR didnt use to tank slap itself to death, so maybe they finally fixed that problem in the new chassis with the more canted cylinders.

Even if you dont like Yamaha, you have to hand it to them for bringing the goods to the table and making a real effort. They didnt woose out with 300mm rotors either, they went full boat 320's with a radial master. They just pushed Suzuki to the next level and now they have to anty up.

If they do race this in superbike, and they probably will, they will need to get some talent. Hackjob just doesn't have what it takes. If they get Gobert back and they can keep the bike together for him you will see alot of sad Yosh faces on the weekends. Suzuki can be happy knowing they have the best crew and US Yamaha's team screws up enough that even if they pop a few race wins in, they cant maintain the bike well enough to be a serious threat. You know, its hard to remember to air the front tire, make sure the rear caliper is bolted on week in and week out. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

My rotors are bigger than yours.

If you look at a bunch of bikes, you'll see that rotor diameter is almost always proportional to weight. Manufacturers don't put bigger (and heavier) rotors on the bike than it takes to stop them reliably. 360mm rotors won't make a crappy system work any better. In my book, the fact that the R1 comes with 320's tells me that the bike will be heavier in street trim than expected, or that they will be prone to fade thus the larger surface in the wind.

I think it is absolutely amazing that everyone is making such a big deal about Yamaha making a bike nearly the equal of the gix 1000 (on paper, we'll see about the road next year) 3 years after Sukuki did.

BusaGeek@work said:

My rotors are bigger than yours.

If you look at a bunch of bikes, you'll see that rotor diameter is almost always proportional to weight. Manufacturers don't put bigger (and heavier) rotors on the bike than it takes to stop them reliably. 360mm rotors won't make a crappy system work any better. In my book, the fact that the R1 comes with 320's tells me that the bike will be heavier in street trim than expected, or that they will be prone to fade thus the larger surface in the wind.

I think it is absolutely amazing that everyone is making such a big deal about Yamaha making a bike nearly the equal of the gix 1000 (on paper, we'll see about the road next year) 3 years after Sukuki did.



And with this very post by BusaGeek the R1 whoop up is done for me. He said exactly how it is.

BusaGeek@work said:
I think it is absolutely amazing that everyone is making such a big deal about Yamaha making a bike nearly the equal of the gix 1000 (on paper, we'll see about the road next year) 3 years after Sukuki did.



Wow. Way to bring things into perspective!! Thanks, I needed that!

I bet the R7 frame is still stronger. Prove me wrong please.

It has 172 crank hp with no ram air effect. which is still ten higher than our gixxers and 20 more than the current r1 so its not going to be slower than the gix 1k.. hype or no hype its going to be faster im sure, lets see what the kawys claiming at the crank now cause im curious. it was a 3 year run, it is going to come to an end as we all know. im sure it wont last long, got to love sportbikes man! im figuring it puts down 153-155 stock to the back tire. Bet I will be dam close.

Ordered my R1 today! Tiime to let my '03 Gix 1000 go.

the r1 in 98 started it, then our gixxer came along and smashed it. our gixxer set the stage for all the hp, and they had to do something to surpass it. It just keeps going and going and going, thats why this shit is frickin sweeeeet. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

im not commiting to the r1 before i see the kawys numbers, dont underestimate kawy.

crazyman1 said:

the r1 in 98 started it, then our gixxer came along and smashed it. our gixxer set the stage for all the hp, and they had to do something to surpass it. It just keeps going and going and going, thats why this shit is frickin sweeeeet. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif



No shit. Like it's anything but awesome that someone will build a better bike than a 1k. How can they sell this stuff???!?! I'm getting wood just thinking about it. It is sooooooooo good to be sportbike nut right now.

I've always thought the R1's have been the best looking sportbike, but I never wanted one casue they felt like shit to sit on and had no power (for a litre bike)........ (BTW - I love my gixxer!!!)
Now with this new R1, I wonder if the mighty gixxer king will be de-throned??That new R1 looks kick-ass and those numebrs are damn impressive, but i guess we'll have to wait and see what really happens when the bike gets on the track.....

And i will probably still be able to outride most guys on their '04 R1's while i'm on my *outdated* '02 gixxer 1k http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

so I guess the site will be losing all the R1 owners that jumped ship from the R1 forum when the new Gix 1K came out? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Funny how their "NEW" EXUP is just like Suzuki's SET valve. Also the NEW dual throttle valve arrangement looks vaguely familiar.

Well, I'm sure since it got all that NEW stuff it must be aiming at something! What could it be? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wait.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/setexup.jpg

AweSomeMe750rr said:

Funny how their "NEW" EXUP is just like Suzuki's SET valve. Also the NEW dual throttle valve arrangement looks vaguely familiar.

Well, I'm sure since it got all that NEW stuff it must be aiming at something! What could it be? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wait.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/setexup.jpg




Yamaha invented the EXUP valve actually, and the rest of the manufacturers copied that idea essentially (a good one to copy, IMO). Regarding the dual injectors per throttle body, if you think it looks familiar you must have been staring too hard at either the 600RR or the new ZX-10R as the Gixxer1000 only has a single injector per cyclinder.

sweet2bad said:

I've always thought the R1's have been the best looking sportbike, but I never wanted one casue they felt like shit to sit on and had no power (for a litre bike)........ (BTW - I love my gixxer!!!)
Now with this new R1, I wonder if the mighty gixxer king will be de-throned??That new R1 looks kick-ass and those numebrs are damn impressive, but i guess we'll have to wait and see what really happens when the bike gets on the track.....

And i will probably still be able to outride most guys on their '04 R1's while i'm on my *outdated* '02 gixxer 1k http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Yea I thought the 03 looked cool too, except for the tail light damn its ugly. Looks like it belongs on the starship enterprise. I too felt totally un comfortable on the R1. I hope it sounds better than the 03 too. Althought the 03 was just an 02.

The new bike cosmetically just looks like an R6 with underseat exhaust.

Hope they finally get a bike good enough to compete with, all they have been doing is taking cash from consumers and not giving shit into the sport.

Anyone who buys a bike from a picture wants just something that looks cool to be seen on. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bash.gif I guess that's pretty obvious to everyone though.

BusaGeek@work said:

My rotors are bigger than yours.

If you look at a bunch of bikes, you'll see that rotor diameter is almost always proportional to weight. Manufacturers don't put bigger (and heavier) rotors on the bike than it takes to stop them reliably. 360mm rotors won't make a crappy system work any better. In my book, the fact that the R1 comes with 320's tells me that the bike will be heavier in street trim than expected, or that they will be prone to fade thus the larger surface in the wind.

I think it is absolutely amazing that everyone is making such a big deal about Yamaha making a bike nearly the equal of the gix 1000 (on paper, we'll see about the road next year) 3 years after Sukuki did.



Oh that is inspired. Under your logic than a single rotor is sufficient as it would reliably stop the bike each time and would be lighter. But better yet, why dont we see race or track bikes with even smaller rotors than stock since you indicate they dont need them due to their weight being less than a stock bike?

Question is do you want adequate, or do you want the best and hope the manufacture does the job so you dont have to??

If we could trust the manufacturers to do so, then there would be no need for an aftermarket.

The fact is they have price points they have to make and anything they can cut cost on is a bonus.

Well I suggest you inform all those misled race teams and track day junkies by letting all of them know that the 300mm rotors are just as effective as 320's and they are wasting their money. Hell, since they really need smaller rotors, those 300's must be overkill. Cleary its as you are inferring...they must have a probelm with their penis size if they leave those overkill 300's on there of go for the super macho 320's.

Thanks for setting us straight on that http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Now since you know so much, care to tell us how that radial master cylinder is also a complete crock of shit too??

Then we can cover how we dont need more than 100 HP to go from point a to point b reliably. Dont worry, we wont let that performance arguement get in the way.

Just think, if rotor size is this way, then the guys who buy the biggest engined bikes must have the smallest penis' in the world. Next time I see a guy on a 'busa I'll have to try not to laught at him since they must only buy those things to compensate for their inadequacies. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

By the way, since Yamaha must have been asleep to take so long, where was Suzuki in 1998, 1999, and 2000? What do you think both Suzuki and Yamaha were doing from '93 to '97 when the CBR was running around?

Damn short memories around here.

I find it even more amazing that no one is willing to allow that with a target on your back, you're eventually going to get out done and change is exciting, not a death sentence..

i believe the yam hype that it does have 180 hp . as jeff said, thats at the crank, with ram air, in a very controlled environment, with plenty of adjustment in the dyno pc. You'll never see it on anyone else's dyno though.........

Our TT gsxr 1000 has over 210 hp at the crank, with a certain "fudge" element built in from the dyno operator! in reality for everyday use, it has 178 hp at the rear wheel without any WILD correction factors

How many people EVER use all the hp in their bikes? VERY FEW. how often do you drive at max revs using all that max HP? hardly ever.....

If you like the new R1 go buy one. i'll be staying with my gsxr.

i'll have a bet that the big gsxr will still be ahead of the pack at next years TT races....

jeffw said:


thalassa said:

I saw this this morning and I thought I would pass it on. The claim is a lighter and much more powerful R-1 :

Thoughts?



Sure... I wonder if Yam will have the balls to run the R1 in AMA SuperBike next year. The current generation has no fucking chance. I guess we will see at Daytona next March.. huh.

180 hp my ass (crank + RAM AIR figure??)....can't wait until I get one on the dyno at Olathe (assuming if a buyer can stand to see the facts instead of marketing bs). http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif



I am seriously interested in what you think Jeff. You seem to skeptical at these figures as do I. What is your prediction and why if you don't mind sharing them with us.

crazyman1 said:

the r1 in 98 started it, then our gixxer came along and smashed it. our gixxer set the stage for all the hp, and they had to do something to surpass it. It just keeps going and going and going, thats why this shit is frickin sweeeeet. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif



That is what I thought in 98. But after riding the R1 I thought I wasn't interested in motorcycles any more because it just felt like shit to me.

Then I rode the 98 GSXR750 and had a grin from ear to ear inside my helmet. No comparison period.

180 HP I don't believe it but you all should. Go out and buy your R1's so I can get an 03 1000 real cheap. I think a lot of you have long cash to change up bikes every year. I am not going to say the R1 is some crap or anything like that. All bikes look good to me, but I am partial to Suzuki, and I will just keep my O2 do a few mods or get an 03 and hand it to all the Posers trying to be seen on their new 04 R1. I have a buddy that is going to sell his 03 R1 because of the new numbers but doesn't even use the power of his 03 R1. Lets all say thank you to Yamaha and their new found consumers for raising our insurance rates. At least we won't have as many a-holes on Gixxer.com saying look at my new undertail that is the same as the one a guy posted last week. We will have to go to the R1 forum for that. Every bike is outdated at some point because of this thing called technology. Just be careful out there on this new R1 I don't like to see a fallen brother(or sister) on anything. Just don't sleep on Suzuki.

even if its 172hp at the crank w/o ram air, it's still right in Gixxer territory. Yamaha announced 150hp for the original R1 and it was right on the mark...nobody believed it then either.

erixgix said:


BusaGeek@work said:

My rotors are bigger than yours.

If you look at a bunch of bikes, you'll see that rotor diameter is almost always proportional to weight. Manufacturers don't put bigger (and heavier) rotors on the bike than it takes to stop them reliably. 360mm rotors won't make a crappy system work any better. In my book, the fact that the R1 comes with 320's tells me that the bike will be heavier in street trim than expected, or that they will be prone to fade thus the larger surface in the wind.

I think it is absolutely amazing that everyone is making such a big deal about Yamaha making a bike nearly the equal of the gix 1000 (on paper, we'll see about the road next year) 3 years after Sukuki did.



Oh that is inspired. Under your logic than a single rotor is sufficient as it would reliably stop the bike each time and would be lighter. But better yet, why dont we see race or track bikes with even smaller rotors than stock since you indicate they dont need them due to their weight being less than a stock bike?

Question is do you want adequate, or do you want the best and hope the manufacture does the job so you dont have to??

If we could trust the manufacturers to do so, then there would be no need for an aftermarket.

The fact is they have price points they have to make and anything they can cut cost on is a bonus.

Well I suggest you inform all those misled race teams and track day junkies by letting all of them know that the 300mm rotors are just as effective as 320's and they are wasting their money. Hell, since they really need smaller rotors, those 300's must be overkill. Cleary its as you are inferring...they must have a probelm with their penis size if they leave those overkill 300's on there of go for the super macho 320's.

Thanks for setting us straight on that http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Now since you know so much, care to tell us how that radial master cylinder is also a complete crock of shit too??

Then we can cover how we dont need more than 100 HP to go from point a to point b reliably. Dont worry, we wont let that performance arguement get in the way.

Just think, if rotor size is this way, then the guys who buy the biggest engined bikes must have the smallest penis' in the world. Next time I see a guy on a 'busa I'll have to try not to laught at him since they must only buy those things to compensate for their inadequacies. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

By the way, since Yamaha must have been asleep to take so long, where was Suzuki in 1998, 1999, and 2000? What do you think both Suzuki and Yamaha were doing from '93 to '97 when the CBR was running around?

Damn short memories around here.

I find it even more amazing that no one is willing to allow that with a target on your back, you're eventually going to get out done and change is exciting, not a death sentence..



Dude, most of the bikes I've owned have been Yamaha's and I liked them all. I'm not afraid of change, I'll do it in a heartbeat if I find a bike I like.

But, it annoys me that people are throwing around that 180HP number as if it means something. The 2004 R1 will be very close to the 2004 G1K in terms of specs. Actually, the two may trade places next year. This year, the R1 is the smoother of the two making it easier to ride fast for some people. I don't see 150HP (rear wheel) coming out of a 1000 at nearly 14000rpm being as smooth as the old R1 mill. The new bike may be the high-side king of the world and responsible for the extinction of the squid species by next July. Or, it may rock - who knows. One thing is for sure, this press release isn't the nail in the gixxer's coffin. It's simpy an announcement that the Yamaha won't be underpowered next year.

As for the brakes, do you think you'd stop faster with twice the stopping power? The rotor diameter is not the limiting factor in the stopping equation. The front suspension, tire, and center of gravity have more to do with how fast you can stop than the rotor diameter. Race bikes have bigger rotors than street bikes because they have better suspension and better tires and therefore can get more stopping power to the ground. Without the suspension and tires, the potential stopping power is wasted.

BusaGeek@work said:


erixgix said:


BusaGeek@work said:

My rotors are bigger than yours.

If you look at a bunch of bikes, you'll see that rotor diameter is almost always proportional to weight. Manufacturers don't put bigger (and heavier) rotors on the bike than it takes to stop them reliably. 360mm rotors won't make a crappy system work any better. In my book, the fact that the R1 comes with 320's tells me that the bike will be heavier in street trim than expected, or that they will be prone to fade thus the larger surface in the wind.

I think it is absolutely amazing that everyone is making such a big deal about Yamaha making a bike nearly the equal of the gix 1000 (on paper, we'll see about the road next year) 3 years after Sukuki did.



Oh that is inspired. Under your logic than a single rotor is sufficient as it would reliably stop the bike each time and would be lighter. But better yet, why dont we see race or track bikes with even smaller rotors than stock since you indicate they dont need them due to their weight being less than a stock bike?

Question is do you want adequate, or do you want the best and hope the manufacture does the job so you dont have to??

If we could trust the manufacturers to do so, then there would be no need for an aftermarket.

The fact is they have price points they have to make and anything they can cut cost on is a bonus.

Well I suggest you inform all those misled race teams and track day junkies by letting all of them know that the 300mm rotors are just as effective as 320's and they are wasting their money. Hell, since they really need smaller rotors, those 300's must be overkill. Cleary its as you are inferring...they must have a probelm with their penis size if they leave those overkill 300's on there of go for the super macho 320's.

Thanks for setting us straight on that http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Now since you know so much, care to tell us how that radial master cylinder is also a complete crock of shit too??

Then we can cover how we dont need more than 100 HP to go from point a to point b reliably. Dont worry, we wont let that performance arguement get in the way.

Just think, if rotor size is this way, then the guys who buy the biggest engined bikes must have the smallest penis' in the world. Next time I see a guy on a 'busa I'll have to try not to laught at him since they must only buy those things to compensate for their inadequacies. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

By the way, since Yamaha must have been asleep to take so long, where was Suzuki in 1998, 1999, and 2000? What do you think both Suzuki and Yamaha were doing from '93 to '97 when the CBR was running around?

Damn short memories around here.

I find it even more amazing that no one is willing to allow that with a target on your back, you're eventually going to get out done and change is exciting, not a death sentence..



Dude, most of the bikes I've owned have been Yamaha's and I liked them all. I'm not afraid of change, I'll do it in a heartbeat if I find a bike I like.

But, it annoys me that people are throwing around that 180HP number as if it means something. The 2004 R1 will be very close to the 2004 G1K in terms of specs. Actually, the two may trade places next year. This year, the R1 is the smoother of the two making it easier to ride fast for some people. I don't see 150HP (rear wheel) coming out of a 1000 at nearly 14000rpm being as smooth as the old R1 mill. The new bike may be the high-side king of the world and responsible for the extinction of the squid species by next July. Or, it may rock - who knows. One thing is for sure, this press release isn't the nail in the gixxer's coffin. It's simpy an announcement that the Yamaha won't be underpowered next year.

As for the brakes, do you think you'd stop faster with twice the stopping power? The rotor diameter is not the limiting factor in the stopping equation. The front suspension, tire, and center of gravity have more to do with how fast you can stop than the rotor diameter. Race bikes have bigger rotors than street bikes because they have better suspension and better tires and therefore can get more stopping power to the ground. Without the suspension and tires, the potential stopping power is wasted.

And to follow up on this, the brakes don't stop the bike. The tire does.

A larger rotor will give a better mechanical advantage over a smaller one, no question or doubt about that. What does the brake do? It converts mechanical energy (rotation of the wheel) into heat. A larger rotor (diameter) will generate more heat because the larger rotor travels through the calpier with a greater normal component of the rotational velocity. Not much of a point to Yamaha, and I'm sure they compensated for this, but to change a stock set up to larger rotors, leaving other components the same will over heat the pads, and will be suseptiable to fading from the increased heat.


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BusaGeek@work said:


erixgix said:


BusaGeek@work said:

My rotors are bigger than yours.

If you look at a bunch of bikes, you'll see that rotor diameter is almost always proportional to weight. Manufacturers don't put bigger (and heavier) rotors on the bike than it takes to stop them reliably. 360mm rotors won't make a crappy system work any better. In my book, the fact that the R1 comes with 320's tells me that the bike will be heavier in street trim than expected, or that they will be prone to fade thus the larger surface in the wind.

I think it is absolutely amazing that everyone is making such a big deal about Yamaha making a bike nearly the equal of the gix 1000 (on paper, we'll see about the road next year) 3 years after Sukuki did.



Oh that is inspired. Under your logic than a single rotor is sufficient as it would reliably stop the bike each time and would be lighter. But better yet, why dont we see race or track bikes with even smaller rotors than stock since you indicate they dont need them due to their weight being less than a stock bike?

Question is do you want adequate, or do you want the best and hope the manufacture does the job so you dont have to??

If we could trust the manufacturers to do so, then there would be no need for an aftermarket.

The fact is they have price points they have to make and anything they can cut cost on is a bonus.

Well I suggest you inform all those misled race teams and track day junkies by letting all of them know that the 300mm rotors are just as effective as 320's and they are wasting their money. Hell, since they really need smaller rotors, those 300's must be overkill. Cleary its as you are inferring...they must have a probelm with their penis size if they leave those overkill 300's on there of go for the super macho 320's.

Thanks for setting us straight on that http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Now since you know so much, care to tell us how that radial master cylinder is also a complete crock of shit too??

Then we can cover how we dont need more than 100 HP to go from point a to point b reliably. Dont worry, we wont let that performance arguement get in the way.

Just think, if rotor size is this way, then the guys who buy the biggest engined bikes must have the smallest penis' in the world. Next time I see a guy on a 'busa I'll have to try not to laught at him since they must only buy those things to compensate for their inadequacies. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

By the way, since Yamaha must have been asleep to take so long, where was Suzuki in 1998, 1999, and 2000? What do you think both Suzuki and Yamaha were doing from '93 to '97 when the CBR was running around?

Damn short memories around here.

I find it even more amazing that no one is willing to allow that with a target on your back, you're eventually going to get out done and change is exciting, not a death sentence..



Dude, most of the bikes I've owned have been Yamaha's and I liked them all. I'm not afraid of change, I'll do it in a heartbeat if I find a bike I like.

But, it annoys me that people are throwing around that 180HP number as if it means something. The 2004 R1 will be very close to the 2004 G1K in terms of specs. Actually, the two may trade places next year. This year, the R1 is the smoother of the two making it easier to ride fast for some people. I don't see 150HP (rear wheel) coming out of a 1000 at nearly 14000rpm being as smooth as the old R1 mill. The new bike may be the high-side king of the world and responsible for the extinction of the squid species by next July. Or, it may rock - who knows. One thing is for sure, this press release isn't the nail in the gixxer's coffin. It's simpy an announcement that the Yamaha won't be underpowered next year.

As for the brakes, do you think you'd stop faster with twice the stopping power? The rotor diameter is not the limiting factor in the stopping equation. The front suspension, tire, and center of gravity have more to do with how fast you can stop than the rotor diameter. Race bikes have bigger rotors than street bikes because they have better suspension and better tires and therefore can get more stopping power to the ground. Without the suspension and tires, the potential stopping power is wasted.

And to follow up on this, the brakes don't stop the bike. The tire does.

A larger rotor will give a better mechanical advantage over a smaller one, no question or doubt about that. What does the brake do? It converts mechanical energy (rotation of the wheel) into heat. A larger rotor (diameter) will generate more heat because the larger rotor travels through the calpier with a greater tangential component of the rotational velocity. Not much of a point to Yamaha, and I'm sure they compensated for this, but to change a stock set up to larger rotors, leaving other components the same will over heat the pads, and will be suseptiable to fading from the increased heat.


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some of nthe GP bikes use different size rotors on the same wheel, depending on the track!

Biaggi has been known to use 290mm carbon discs on one side and 320 on the other. its easier to set up with radial calipers, which is one of the reasons they use them in GP's as they just use different spacers to move the caliper in or out depending on the rotor size. Biaggi felt that it gave him an advantage. whether it did, we are not good enough to know, but he felt it did and as at the top level, most of the racing is done in the racers head, it comes down to belief and self confidence, so he felt that different size rotors gave him a small advantage, it was good enough for the team......

I dont know why some on this board start chiming in about race bikes and how a certain brand does. These are not racebikes, they are designed for the average person to be ridden on the street. It seems at this point that Yamaha may well have developed their best package yet, previous years models being underpowered but handling/looking well. If the rear wheel bhp turns out to be equal to this years 1k and the handling and styling stays where was previously it will no doubt be an awesome machine. Whether it wins in AMA or at the TT means nothing to me, those machines are far above anything you can buy out of the showroom. What does mean to me is that a machine is available that you wont have to buy a lot of aftermarket parts for to up horsepower or appearance.

I love my '03 GSXR but I'll give credit where it is due as I am a true bike nut and love most anything on 2 wheels, even the odd HD.

He he sounds like a lot of worries Gixxer people http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif.

MP

Eric, you are probably right, the 1K should still be a front runner at the Isle of Mann TT, it looks more stable on paper with a longer wheel base
and its sorted, unlike the R1, Honda and Kawi. Didn't a tarted up V&amp;M R1 and CBR954 at least make the podium in some of the
open class races this year? Should be good! When will a 130 mph lap happen? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif

Has anyone every ridden a R1? Well I had the opportunity on one of my rides to test out my buddies 2001 R1. Instantly I found out why so many of them are ending up plastic side down. The front end on these things are supper psycho. It feels like the front is about to go into a major high speed wabble if you are not carefull. That is a lot of un steadiness for a 1K. Also, the idiots at Yami, decided not to put steering stabilizers. Hopefully they do that with the 04..I havent seen the 02 or 03 up close, but if any bike needs a stabilizer, this bike does. I have even had the same guy ride my 750 01 gixxer and he liked it much better in corners. He stated "it feels like I can push it into the part of the corner I want instead of simply falling into the corner like my R1". I will have to say the R1 sure likes to dip into turns, but that isnt always the best policy when canyon dancing..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BusaGeek@work said:
Race bikes have bigger rotors than street bikes because they have better suspension and better tires and therefore can get more stopping power to the ground. Without the suspension and tires, the potential stopping power is wasted.



All given facts my friend. I just think its best if it come equiped that way so that when more appropriate tires and suspension are applied, very spendy rotors do not have to be purchased.

One battle at a time, we can put the tires and suspension on the wish list for next time around. Folks like Aprilia have that one figured out when they fit SuperCorsa's and full Ohlins on their R model, it'll just they make you pay for it in the higher sticker price. No doubt cheap sells and is governing many of these parts, so competition is the only thing we can hope ups the anty without the consumer baring the price.

I hear ya on the HP thing. Its amuzing to see the stir it causes and those that dont understand what it is. But if someone really buys that line of marketing BS, then they most likely dont have sense enough to be reasoned with. I was looking at more of the hard parts and chassis, cause that is where the old bike fell short. Its all conjecture at this point, but it'll be something to see if they fixed alot of the old problems.

LOVE THE POST!!!!! And YES I like big engined bikes and am also hung like a tick tack... The truth of the matter is that nobody knows for sure what any of these bikes are gonna do till they have been tested.. 2004 is a big year for the litter bikes and they will probably all be very close in performance (i'm guessing of course)... As for 180 HP,.... I don't need 180HP to smoke some of the people that I ride with.... What's bigger and better..... I don't care.... I just like riding..... The truth has yet to be known as to what's better and faster....Frankly I don't care.... Just give me a sweet ass bike to rage on....

JoshN said:


AweSomeMe750rr said:

Funny how their "NEW" EXUP is just like Suzuki's SET valve. Also the NEW dual throttle valve arrangement looks vaguely familiar.

Well, I'm sure since it got all that NEW stuff it must be aiming at something! What could it be? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wait.gif

http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/setexup.jpg




Yamaha invented the EXUP valve actually, and the rest of the manufacturers copied that idea essentially (a good one to copy, IMO). Regarding the dual injectors per throttle body, if you think it looks familiar you must have been staring too hard at either the 600RR or the new ZX-10R as the Gixxer1000 only has a single injector per cyclinder.




The exup system is a lot different than a set valve.

A set valve is a damper that changes backpressure depending on rpm.

A EXUP changes from a 180 degree header system to a 360 degree system.

They both are exhaust oriented but really different.

Suzuki will always be ahead in perfornce! Always has and always will. The 2004 R1 will in no way be faster than the 03 Gix1000. In 2005 Suzuki will come out with the Gix1000RR which will rock beyond all other competitors. Even the 2001-2002 Gix1000 will Rock the 2004 R1 all around. You will all find out about it. Even the Gix750 is way fater than the 03 R1.
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Its kinda funny reading everybodies post on either how the new R1 won't be as good as they're promoting or that even if it is zuki will come back in 05....

I'd be happy with either one.... but thats just me.... I kinda got a change in perspective after getting my ass handed to me on my 01 1000 buy some guy on an older 750..... the bike definetly doesn't make much difference..... it comes down to the rider....

but I'd love to have either an 03 gixer 1000, or an 04 R1.... gotta admit I do like the "look" of the R1 and the yams seems to hold their resale value better and are easier to sell at least in my area... but like the "feel" of the 1000.....

CrazyCunuck, I have to agree with you in a sense ...."it comes down to the rider" When I hear alot of bashing or cheerleading for a bike, the first thing I ask myself is, is he a victom of marketing, to mindlessly cheerlead or bash one brand or another. It all sounds child-like to me http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif. And if you are riding any sport bike near its limits on the street http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif, please go to a track or slow down. I've seen too many riders look the other way and end up a statistic.

jeffw said:


thalassa said:

I saw this this morning and I thought I would pass it on. The claim is a lighter and much more powerful R-1 :

Thoughts?



Sure... I wonder if Yam will have the balls to run the R1 in AMA SuperBike next year. The current generation has no fucking chance. I guess we will see at Daytona next March.. huh.

180 hp my ass (crank + RAM AIR figure??)....can't wait until I get one on the dyno at Olathe (assuming if a buyer can stand to see the facts instead of marketing bs). http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif




You seem to have a tone of anger in your post...Is that because you were beaten handily by a R1 rider?

In reading these posts, it seems to me that a lot of 1K riders have a real inferiority complex.

nastytls said:


jeffw said:


thalassa said:

I saw this this morning and I thought I would pass it on. The claim is a lighter and much more powerful R-1 :

Thoughts?



Sure... I wonder if Yam will have the balls to run the R1 in AMA SuperBike next year. The current generation has no fucking chance. I guess we will see at Daytona next March.. huh.

180 hp my ass (crank + RAM AIR figure??)....can't wait until I get one on the dyno at Olathe (assuming if a buyer can stand to see the facts instead of marketing bs). http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif




You seem to have a tone of anger in your post...Is that because you were beaten handily by a R1 rider?

In reading these posts, it seems to me that a lot of 1K riders have a real inferiority complex.




its kind of funny how a dumb fuck like yourself with his 1'st post comes to the gixxer forum to start shit especially in the 1k forum http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

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nastytls said:


jeffw said:


thalassa said:

I saw this this morning and I thought I would pass it on. The claim is a lighter and much more powerful R-1 :

Thoughts?



Sure... I wonder if Yam will have the balls to run the R1 in AMA SuperBike next year. The current generation has no fucking chance. I guess we will see at Daytona next March.. huh.

180 hp my ass (crank + RAM AIR figure??)....can't wait until I get one on the dyno at Olathe (assuming if a buyer can stand to see the facts instead of marketing bs). http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/nono.gif




You seem to have a tone of anger in your post...Is that because you were beaten handily by a R1 rider?

In reading these posts, it seems to me that a lot of 1K riders have a real inferiority complex.



he is tired like the rest of us of clowns like you stirring up shit. especially when all there has been is pictures of the new r1. boy will you guys feel like morons when the new r1 is putting out 140 hp (which is nothing to sneeze at btw) and you guys have been talking more shit than a porto john company. so zip it with the negativity or get the hammer. http://www.gixxer.com/hunter/smilies/pound.gif

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he is tired like the rest of us of clowns like you stirring up shit. especially when all there has been is pictures of the new r1. boy will you guys feel like morons when the new r1 is putting out 140 hp (which is nothing to sneeze at btw) and you guys have been talking more shit than a porto john company. so zip it with the negativity or get the hammer. http://www.gixxer.com/hunter/smilies/pound.gif

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Clown like me? ? I ride a Suzuki! And I'm not stirring up s***t either. I just find it funny that everybody is attacking the R1 just because it isn't a Suzuki. If it makes 180, FINE, then the year after that the 1K will make 185, that's the way the game is played. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Feel free to give me the hammer tough guy. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/sleep.gif

nastytls said:



Who are you guys? I ride a Suzuki! And I'm not stirring up s***t either. I just find it funny that everybody is attacking the R1 just because it isn't a Suzuki. If it makes 180, FINE, then the year after that the 1K will make 185, that's the way the game is played. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Feel free to give me the hammer tough guy. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/sleep.gif



your being an instigator on a topic myself and this entire board is getting very tired of. and with all of 7 posts on this site we dont know who the fuck you are. as far as the hammer goes... well it was figurative. meaning i would ban you from the site. i dont get into making physical threats on the internet, its just a waste of time. not that i dont like dropping the hammer on people in the real world... but you get the point. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif

DamYum yamaha made alot of you nervous!

Narrowing down HP#'s I think the 04
R1 will put out about 155-160 rear wheel HP.

It just an M1 for the street.

bmfgsxr said:


nastytls said:



Who are you guys? I ride a Suzuki! And I'm not stirring up s***t either. I just find it funny that everybody is attacking the R1 just because it isn't a Suzuki. If it makes 180, FINE, then the year after that the 1K will make 185, that's the way the game is played. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Feel free to give me the hammer tough guy. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/sleep.gif



your being an instigator on a topic myself and this entire board is getting very tired of. and with all of 7 posts on this site we dont know who the fuck you are. as far as the hammer goes... well it was figurative. meaning i would ban you from the site. i dont get into making physical threats on the internet, its just a waste of time. not that i dont like dropping the hammer on people in the real world... but you get the point. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif




If you want to ban me for having a different opinion, than so be it. It just so happens that this thread cought my eye, and I joined. I didn't sign up just to ruffle your feathers, just to talk bikes. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

OB1 said:

DamYum yamaha made alot of you nervous!

Narrowing down HP#'s I think the 04
R1 will put out about 155-160 rear wheel HP.

It just an M1 for the street.



TYpical. I am not nervous. And why would I be? So what yamaha can make some power finally. It's about time. I certainly don't quiver with fear when there is a yamaha behind me. They usually stay behind me too.

Around here Yamahas are not usually purchased to ride fast.

nastytls said:


bmfgsxr said:


nastytls said:



Who are you guys? I ride a Suzuki! And I'm not stirring up s***t either. I just find it funny that everybody is attacking the R1 just because it isn't a Suzuki. If it makes 180, FINE, then the year after that the 1K will make 185, that's the way the game is played. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Feel free to give me the hammer tough guy. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/sleep.gif



your being an instigator on a topic myself and this entire board is getting very tired of. and with all of 7 posts on this site we dont know who the fuck you are. as far as the hammer goes... well it was figurative. meaning i would ban you from the site. i dont get into making physical threats on the internet, its just a waste of time. not that i dont like dropping the hammer on people in the real world... but you get the point. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif




If you want to ban me for having a different opinion, than so be it. It just so happens that this thread cought my eye, and I joined. I didn't sign up just to ruffle your feathers, just to talk bikes. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif



i would never ban anyone for voicing their opinion. but the influx of new members in the past week since the debut of the new r1 has been tremendous, and a large % of them are r1 guys who are only trying to start trouble, and they obviously dont want to be a positive part of this board and only signed up to start shit... who wants to come here to get aggravated by someone starting shit.. i know i dont, and neither do the majority of our members... and even though your screen name suggests you own a suzuki doesnt make me believe you do. a lot of guys sign up just like that only to start shit.. i thought you were one of those guys just being a pain in the ass. but, if your not then enjoy the place and welcome. if you are then it would have to be the hammer. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

I have an 01 gixxer and an 01 R1 I like both of them http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/burnout.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif <font color="yellow"> </font> http://www.gixxer.com/uploads/04R1_red_4_1734.jpg

Actually I just sold the TLS ahttp://www.gixxer.com/uploads/tl996_33.jpg couple weeks ago. I currently have a CRF450.

Damn! That is by far the coolest looking TLS I have ever seen! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif

Thank you. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
A lot of work, and a lot of money, and it still wasn't completly the way I wanted it.

FIRST ITS A YAMAHA WHO CARES? ANYWAY IF YOU THINK ITS GOT 180 HP YOU SHOULD SELL YOUR 1K CHEAP TO ME AND GO BUY IT. BUT SERIOUSLY IT REALLY AIN'T GONNA HAVE 180 HP. A BUSA DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THAT STOCK......AND THE EXHAUST IS UGLY. LIKE UNDER SEAT EX. DONE RIGHT BUT NOT THIS ONE

yeah i agree the undertail exhaust in not that hot lookin but rest of bike is dope. ducati 999r is the hotest imho. the 00r1 looks hotter than the 04. wonder what the zx10r will look like

MAN!!! There is a whole lotta bashin going on around here... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bash.gif

It's a tough crowd.... I'm out of here... I'm going for a ride....

I like all bike's.... Well,... not BUELL,... But all other bikes..

GOD DAMN... Some of you guy's really hate YAMAHA... What's up with that???

I don't know but I am sure you can go to the Yamaha boards and find alot of guys that hate GSXR's too. People are narrow minded everywhere. If you look closely I think you will find Gixxer.com members don't have a corner on this market.
I respect all bikes, doesn't mean I will own all.

Cheers! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif

max said:

I don't know but I am sure you can go to the Yamaha boards and find alot of guys that hate GSXR's too. People are narrow minded everywhere. If you look closely I think you will find Gixxer.com members don't have a corner on this market.
I respect all bikes, doesn't mean I will own all.

Cheers! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif




its more reasonable for suzuki guys to be narrow minded simply b/c of facts.. its been well known over the years that suzuki has the faster bikes... ill be the first to admit and the yamaha is one of the best looking bikes as far as looks goes for the price you pay.. but performance hands down suzuki wins... every year yamaha has put out a bike they have claimed numbers that no one believes... its kinda like the kid that cried wolf... personally im getting tires of these dumb posers on their yamahas saying their gonna by the new R1 every year and smoke the 1k... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

JetSpeedz said:
personally im getting tires of these dumb posers on their yamahas saying their gonna by
the new R1 every year and smoke the 1k... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



Except next year it might actually happen! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Narrow minded people... Yup, there everywhere... The only reason that I bought my 2002 R1 when it came out was because I thought it was sexxxxxxy as hell... I know that SUZUKI has been the king of hourse power for years, but my racing days are over and I just have fun now blasting around town... Shit, for that matter I could have just stuck with a 600... So many people want to judge bikes, and they don't even have the potential to ride them to there limits.. I wish that I could ride like Aaron Yates, or Bostrom, but I can't.. And I can admit that.... If you race, then judge away!!!!!! I haven't raced since 88 and alot has changed. But for me,.. the R1 works fine.. It wheelies nice, and goes fast, and thats good enough for me.

I like Gixxer's board more!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif

Clayton said:

MAN!!! There is a whole lotta bashin going on around here... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bash.gif

It's a tough crowd.... I'm out of here... I'm going for a ride....

I like all bike's.... Well,... not BUELL,... But all other bikes..

GOD DAMN... Some of you guy's really hate YAMAHA... What's up with that???



It's not a hate for Yamaha product (until you have to work on it) but it is more having to hear the rhetoric coming from so many R1 owners offline and online that gets us worn down. So what you bought #2 bike I tell them? Deal with it. You like your Yahama I tell them. So when the new gixxer comes out do you think there will be a bunch of us going to riforum.com to taunt and rub it in there face? No.

Yamaha makes a bike that appeals to a certain rider. That rider is very happy with his product. Just shut the fuck up about the excuses as to why it doesn't measure up. Make it measure up yourself with some mods then come for a ride or go to the track days...

(that's not directed at you Clayton)

Clayton said:

Narrow minded people... Yup, there everywhere... The only reason that I bought my 2002 R1 when it came out was because I thought it was sexxxxxxy as hell... I know that SUZUKI has been the king of hourse power for years, but my racing days are over and I just have fun now blasting around town... Shit, for that matter I could have just stuck with a 600... So many people want to judge bikes, and they don't even have the potential to ride them to there limits.. I wish that I could ride like Aaron Yates, or Bostrom, but I can't.. And I can admit that.... If you race, then judge away!!!!!! I haven't raced since 88 and alot has changed. But for me,.. the R1 works fine.. It wheelies nice, and goes fast, and thats good enough for me.

I like Gixxer's board more!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif



Thanks bro. I hear ya'. I love that bikes get better and better every year, more power, better suspension, tires, etc. Competition is what drives excellence. At the same time, I am very happy with my 1k for lots of reasons. Decent power in just one of them. If a new one comes out that makes 160+ at the wheel, not sure WTF it will help me do that I can't do on mine with 148. Skill development is the real key. It will take some of these HP maniacs a hell of alot more places than an extra 10-20hp ever will. Period! But its a waste of time to explain that. Many have tried...all fail. There will always be the masses who attach their self-worth to an engine output number. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

Sooooo sad..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

every year yamaha has put out a bike they have claimed numbers that no one believes... its kinda like the kid that cried wolf... personally im getting tires of these dumb posers on their yamahas saying their gonna by the new R1 every year and smoke the 1k... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif




Yamaha's hp numbers have usually been pretty correct. They went a little far with "200hp per liter" with the R6 but that bike was over 100hp at the crank, and the OG R1 was claimed to have 150hp at the crank and it did as well. The second gen R1 was actually sandbagged by yamaha, as they claimed only three or four more HP with the FI, but most people got around 7 or 8.

so if yamaha says 172hp at the crank, there's no reason to doubt that will be the case. As always, we'll have to wait and see.

damn 180 hp? yamaha comes strong for the 04

Oh for the love of god it's NOT going to have 180 hp!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

How much longer do we have to wait for a REAL dyno test of this bike so all this madness will stop? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Heyabuza said:

Oh for the love of god it's NOT going to have 180 hp!!! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

How much longer do we have to wait for a REAL dyno test of this bike so all this madness will stop? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif



Probably never. After all its in print so it must be true, right? Of course you can turn it around on them and say, "OK, show me a bone stock GSXR that makes 162". But that would mean having to think about it.

For all you guys who are always thinking Suzuki has always been the best.....what planet do you live on?? Where were you in 1998 or 1999? I wont stretch you much farther than that cause man I bet you'd hate to acknowledge the Honda 900. Not a freakin Honda for god's sake, they were never the best thing you could buy...cant be true if you have a Suzuki in the garage.

At many points in history one of the other factories had their day in the sun, dont worry about it. Ride what you picked for the reasons you picked it and look past the last motorcycle shootout that supports whats in your garage.

if you want to a Ducati forum they would think their bike has always been king, they will selectively choose for forget when they could not hang with the ZX7, but that doesn't make it any less true.

max said:


Clayton said:





There will always be the masses who attach their self-worth to an engine output number. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif

Sooooo sad..... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/dunno.gif



Profound!!!!!!!!!