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Octogoogles
09-17-2007, 11:28 PM
Always thought this was usefull. Obviously a bit basic for the experienced rider, but it answers a few frequently asked questions.......

1. Increase your speed incrementally.
2. Find and use reference points for braking, turn-in and apex.
3. Focus your vision way out front.
4. Select a gear that uses 60–80 percent of redline at the exit.
5. Be loose on the bike and bars, not rigid.
6. Get body position set for corners early.
7. Hang off slightly—and comfortably—in corners.
8. Use your legs to move you around the bike, not your arms.
9. Go slow when learning a new track. Get the flow first.
10. In the wet, be super-smooth with all control inputs.
11. Ride with the balls of your feet on the pegs at all times.
12. Weight the inside peg entering corners.
13. Weight the outside peg at the apex and exiting corners.
14. Perfect practice makes perfect—helps muscle memory.
15. Ignore the rear brake.
16. Walk the track if possible.
17. Don’t apex early; late apex whenever possible.
18. Get to neutral throttle ASAP approaching the apex.
19. Apply smooth but forceful throttle exiting a corner.
20. Keep body movements small or smooth while cornering.
21. Braking distances increase exponentially with speed.
22. Monitor chassis feedback through hands, feet and butt when braking.
23. Ease off the brakes smoothly as you lean the bike into a corner.
24. Brake in segments: first 10 percent (to settle chassis), then 75 percent (hard braking), then 15 percent (releasing smooth toward apex).
25. Get hard braking done early; don’t wait till you see God!
26. Passing tip: Let off the brakes sooner and carry a bit more speed into the corner.
27. Release the brake more slowly than you initially grab it.
28. Ride a bicycle for leg strength and cardiovascular training; it’ll make you a better rider!
29. Control panic by being in control at all times; resist the temptation to go beyond your personal comfort envelope.
30. If you get in too hot, look where you want to go, relax and will yourself to make the corner.
31. Resist the temptation to tuck completely behind the bubble; sitting higher allows you to see more, which helps nail your braking and turn-in points.
32. If you crash, get wide. It resists flipping.

Flounder
09-18-2007, 08:25 AM
All good tips

cjgraddy1080
09-18-2007, 08:45 AM
sweet tips man.

Octogoogles
09-18-2007, 08:49 PM
I was suprised by the fact that he rolls through the apex neutral on the gas. I always thought you where supposed to get on the gas to unload the front tire a bit. You learn something new everyday.

Tasman
09-19-2007, 11:43 PM
tip 12-13 It should have been put all of your weight on the outside peg from entry to exit. I can explain tihs if some one wants to.

Sucram
09-20-2007, 12:25 AM
I dont get the last one.

doc750
09-20-2007, 08:14 AM
very nice tips ... it's one of those things you already know, but forget. Unless someone puts it into words, and then you consciously think about it and put it into practice.

Octogoogles
09-22-2007, 05:15 PM
The last one means if you wall off the bike make your body wide so that you don't flip over or start rolling instead of sliding.

Tasman I am interested in hearing what you mean.

aronhalt
09-23-2007, 07:44 AM
Yes, please explain how it is even possible to put all your weight on the outside peg through a corner without dragging solid parts on the track.

Sucram
09-23-2007, 08:11 AM
Its not possible! But they should clarify weighting the outside peg is really only weighting it enough so you can counter steer hard and fast. I.e your anchor point

Tasman
09-23-2007, 11:49 PM
Now i can explain this in terms and references from books but i will ask you this. Ever watched motogp? next time you do check out Rossi, Pedrosa and Stoner kicking there left leg out of the bike when getting into the left corners. This mean that all of their weight its on the outside peg.
I know it is difficult to understand and it is harder do apply it if you already have been doing it the ather way. It took me more than 10 rides to my favoret road to apply it.
This also helped me to coorect my body position coz it is imposible ti weight the outer peg when you are hanging off like a monkey.
If you are not still conviset i can go on.

Sucram
09-24-2007, 01:18 AM
We are talking about when your at the apex. Not on turn in which I think your referring to

Tasman
09-24-2007, 01:32 AM
no i am talking on the turn in. When you are entering a corner you put most of youweight on the outsite peg.
The effective way of puting a bike on its ear is by counter steering. Body position adds almost nothing to it. So it s realy counter steering and not puting your weight on aither peg. by putting your weight on the outsite peg doesnt (or left peg) realy help the bike to steer, counter steering does that.
By putting the weight on the outsite peg it gives you better leverage to counter steer and helps the bike to stabilize.

aronhalt
09-28-2007, 10:13 AM
Makes more sense now...I think.

In other words, when you turn in, don't anchor yourself to the bike using the bars.

Tungue
09-28-2007, 10:28 AM
I've seen the racers in motogp and wsbk do it. It's made me wonder what I'm doing wrong or different.

I've read about putting weight on the outside peg. I haven't been able to figure it out myself.

I've been on the track twice. I'm going back in a couple of weeks. I'm gonna try to figure out the whole putting weight on the outside peg.

So there's no need to be hanging off the bike like a monkey?

aronhalt
09-28-2007, 08:09 PM
Let me see if I can clarify...

When you come up on a corner, you
-get your body into postion. Butt seam on the outside of the seat, knee out.
-Countersteer to get the bike to quickly turn in.
-As the bike TRYS to turn underneath of you, you must somehow hold onto the bike so your body moves with it as it leans.
-By pushing on the outside peg, you will be able to "anchor" yourself to the bike so you move with it.

You can't grab the tank with your legs...you have a knee out
If you lost your outside leg in an old vietnam accident, you would have a very hard time leaning in with the bike as it would just rotate below you.

Is this what everyone is trying to explain?

John O
10-01-2007, 11:07 AM
Maybe this is irrelevent but when running you plant your right leg to make a left turn. It gives you better leverage and you are able to twist your body more.

Tasman
10-02-2007, 12:48 AM
It is really up to each person to do this. Some things will not work for some guys and for other it will make fenomenal improvments.
Lets not forget that this thread title is Kewin Schwartz basic track tips. All of the tips are good and will work well for most riders. What i have tried to point out is that if you really want to move on you have to try something more than the basic.
Trying to weight the outsite peg you have to chainge tip 11 also. You cant realy weight the out site peg by having the ball of you feet on the peg.
When i tried to do this i have changed my riding style all together.
Take it easy boys dont try to do all at once.

Sucram
10-02-2007, 01:55 AM
Riding with the Balls on the peg is a general foot position. One of my mentors is trying to get me to use my toes on the inside foot while cornering

ant f
10-02-2007, 03:58 AM
i do that, turn my foot out and rest the heel on top of the heel guard. saves on toe sliders!!

Tasman
10-02-2007, 04:09 AM
:scratch
Pic please i want to see this.

lama
10-02-2007, 01:46 PM
I dont get the last one.

basically if you crash, sprawl so you dont start tumbling. if you are tumbling already, pull your arms into your chest so you dont break them.

perkojjr
10-02-2007, 08:48 PM
Good reading

Crimson49er
10-03-2007, 02:38 AM
what does he mean by "1. Increase your speed incrementally."

Tasman
10-03-2007, 04:07 AM
what does he mean by "1. Increase your speed incrementally."

He means that you open the throtle progresevly. dont open the throtle all at once. dont wait till the bike is in vertical position and then slam it.

The trick is to open the throtle right after you lean the bike. initially just a little to stabilize the bike and then slowlly open the throtle in a progresive manner.

If you have not done this before do it in safe speeds. (if it is a corner of a 100km/h entry go with 80km/h).

Celsus
10-03-2007, 01:42 PM
He means that you open the throtle progresevly. dont open the throtle all at once. dont wait till the bike is in vertical position and then slam it.

The trick is to open the throtle right after you lean the bike. initially just a little to stabilize the bike and then slowlly open the throtle in a progresive manner.

If you have not done this before do it in safe speeds. (if it is a corner of a 100km/h entry go with 80km/h).

Actually im pretty sure he means start off at 60% on a new track and gradually up the speed, dont just come off of pit lane at 110%.

Grandevil
10-03-2007, 01:44 PM
I love Kevin Schwantz.

Coolest guy I ever met by far.

Grandevil
10-03-2007, 01:45 PM
Always thought this was usefull. Obviously a bit basic for the experienced rider, but it answers a few frequently asked questions.......

1. Increase your speed incrementally.
2. Find and use reference points for braking, turn-in and apex.
3. Focus your vision way out front.
4. Select a gear that uses 60–80 percent of redline at the exit.
5. Be loose on the bike and bars, not rigid.
6. Get body position set for corners early.
7. Hang off slightly—and comfortably—in corners.
8. Use your legs to move you around the bike, not your arms.
9. Go slow when learning a new track. Get the flow first.
10. In the wet, be super-smooth with all control inputs.
11. Ride with the balls of your feet on the pegs at all times.
12. Weight the inside peg entering corners.
13. Weight the outside peg at the apex and exiting corners.
14. Perfect practice makes perfect—helps muscle memory.
15. Ignore the rear brake.
16. Walk the track if possible.
17. Don’t apex early; late apex whenever possible.
18. Get to neutral throttle ASAP approaching the apex.
19. Apply smooth but forceful throttle exiting a corner.
20. Keep body movements small or smooth while cornering.
21. Braking distances increase exponentially with speed.
22. Monitor chassis feedback through hands, feet and butt when braking.
23. Ease off the brakes smoothly as you lean the bike into a corner.
24. Brake in segments: first 10 percent (to settle chassis), then 75 percent (hard braking), then 15 percent (releasing smooth toward apex).
25. Get hard braking done early; don’t wait till you see God!
26. Passing tip: Let off the brakes sooner and carry a bit more speed into the corner.
27. Release the brake more slowly than you initially grab it.
28. Ride a bicycle for leg strength and cardiovascular training; it’ll make you a better rider!
29. Control panic by being in control at all times; resist the temptation to go beyond your personal comfort envelope.
30. If you get in too hot, look where you want to go, relax and will yourself to make the corner.
31. Resist the temptation to tuck completely behind the bubble; sitting higher allows you to see more, which helps nail your braking and turn-in points.
32. If you crash, get wide. It resists flipping.

Oh yeah where did you find that list?

Tasman
10-03-2007, 11:49 PM
Actually im pretty sure he means start off at 60% on a new track and gradually up the speed, dont just come off of pit lane at 110%.
:scratch mmmmmm you might be right on this one.

What i have said thou is not wrong and a good advice:D

Octogoogles
11-01-2007, 10:59 PM
Grandevil,
I found the tips as a part of a larger interview on a motorcycle magazine web site some time ago. Sorry I should have quoted the source when i posted as I have forgotten now. My Bad!

TheGeek
11-05-2007, 02:36 PM
what does he mean by "1. Increase your speed incrementally."
It means that you're not supposed to go all out on your first laps. Find a comfortable pace and the visual queues that go with it. Then start tweaking it to go faster. I state it a little differently... "Trying to be smooth will make you faster than trying to be fast."