: Wheelie 101
Knight2211 05-13-2003, 02:26 PM <font color="yellow"> Originally posted by Leanangle_750 aka Leanangle </font>
The following how-to is something I wish had been available when I first attempted to learn how to wheelie. It is meant for the novice stunter (NOT novice rider) on most 600+ cc modern sportbikes (although I DO NOT recommend you starting out on a Gix 1K or similar extreme-power bike). While the following is most definitely not the only way to start, it is the way I learned, and, reflecting back, I feel it is the best for the beginner. Of course, that's just my opinion. Anyway' I hope this helps y'all out. Leanangle_750.
Two points to keep in mind when learning to Wheelie:
1. Keep things simple. You only have so much attention, and it's best to keep it divided by as few things as possible. Usually, when a beginning student is overwhelmed with trying to perform too many unfamiliar actions all at the same time, he or she tends not to perform any of them properly. The following approach to learning will stress using the fewest number of control inputs necessary to accomplish our goal' putting the front tire in the air.
There are, essentially, three basic factors you need to control when performing a basic wheelie:
1. Acceleration (throttle control)
2. Fore/Aft weight distribution (body control)
3. Side/Side weight distribution (balance / body control)
Any late model 600+ cc sportbike that I can think of, in stock form, will easily pull the front wheel up to 12-o-clock & beyond in 1st gear if you do nothing else than keep your body motionless and slam the throttle open once in the powerband. No shit. You may think this not to be the case, but trust me, unless your bike is malfunctioning, it's just that easy. The reason most people fail is due to the fact that they unwittingly shift their weight forward. We'll get to that later. The point being, there's no need to bounce it up, there's no need to clutch it up, and there's no need to roll off & on the throttle in 1st. Most of these techniques essentially fool the rider into committing him or herself to leaning their weight back - the rebound from the fork springs is, in my opinion, negligible. And the control that some people tout the clutch as offering you can easily be had with a well-practiced throttle hand. That means there's a lot less to do and think about when you're starting out, and that means you'll be a lot more likely to succeed, and a lot less likely to get hurt. Even using these 'other' techniques, you'll still need to control your throttle, your weight distribution, & your balance. There's just no sense in adding in more complication.
2. Keep things safe. That means finding a desolate stretch of straight road with good pavement(an old airstrip or race track would be best), wearing ALL your gear (gloves, leathers, boots, HELMET, HELMET, HELMET), having friends with cages present, and pre-ride checking your bike (tire condition & pressure, chain condition & slack, brakes, shift lever & position, etc.). It also includes using your head, thinking things through, and above all, not trying to rush your progress. There's no reason why you can't learn to roll nice wheelies without looping it. Remember, just because you know of or have watched people walk away from similar wrecks doesn't mean everyone does. The consequences of looping a hi-power sportbike are a serious matter.
Now, since I'm going to recommend starting out rolling first gear wheelies, let's address a few concerns.
Gearing and Gear Selection:
To begin with, you won't need to gear your bike down. Like mentioned above, in stock form, most any modern 600+ sportbike needs nothing more, in first gear, than for you to not use your body-weight to screw things up. So do not throw a bigger sprocket in the back or a smaller one up front if you can't get it up in first. It's your fault, not the bike. You're only making things more dangerous for yourself once you finally do stifle your survival instincts long enough to let the wheel come up. Next, there's the issue of 1st gear being too twitchy. Well, for the experienced wheelie expert, 1st gear can be rather dangerous, since the balance point (the vertical point where you have to hang the front wheel to keep the bike from accelerating), is so high, and 1st gear does offer up alot of torque. But for the beginner, who will inevitably slam the throttle shut the minute the front tire comes off the tarmac, it's not really an issue. And trust me, even as quickly as the front wheel can come off the ground in 1st, it's no match for your reflexes, unless you've just chased a few percosets down with a pint of Jack Daniels. The fact is, once you get 2nd gear & higher wheelies up past midway point (and past the point where you need a lot of torque), they want to come up and over a lot faster than 1st gear wheelies do, since the gearing is higher. Also, 1st gear offers up tons of immediate engine braking. That means that as soon as you let off of the throttle, the engine braking effect literally sucks the front wheel back down to earth. This will work for you even if you are unfortunate enough to end up going past 12-o-clock. While this effect is apparent in all gears, it is much more so in 1st, and seems to take effect 'right away' in 2nd, particularly, there seems to be a sort of 'time lag' before it kicks in. The main reason I like first gear is that it offers the power necessary to bring the bike up while doing nothing more than maintaining a static body positioning and controlling the throttle. It allows you to free your mind and allow you to concentrate on throttle control, height control, and balance. It doesn't force you to make extreme body motions (throwing your weight back) which, when coupled with everything else, could definitely loop you quickly. In other words, I feel 1st gear to absolutely be the safest gear to learn in.
Use of the rear brake:
This is a controversial issue. Many advocate it's use as another tool that one can use to avoid a loop (which, if used properly, it is); others doubt it's ever going to get used by beginners until it's too late. My feelings on the subject are mixed. Personally, I don't use my rear brake very much at all during normal, everyday riding. Because of this, the use of the rear brake would, for me, definitely not be instinctive when trying to save a wheelie gone bad. I have, unfortunately, learned this fact the hard way when trying to save a 12-o-clock. I believe I thought of hitting the rear brake as my ass hit the pavement. On the flip side, if you do regularly use both the front & rear brakes, you might want to keep that thought in the back of your mind as a last-ditch save attempt. The thing that worries me most about the rear brake, however, is that even if it is used in time, it is very likely going to be used in panic, which could easily lead to a wreck just as bad as if the bike had simply looped over backwards. Personally, I feel that the use of engine braking (a passive safety feature) to pull down 1st gear wheelies is safer, and of course, much easier, since all you have to do is let off on the throttle. Finally, especially if you don't use the rear brake consistently, but even if you do, keeping it 'in mind' does use up some concentration that could be spent elsewhere. So, think about the issue, and make your own decisions on this one.
Use of the Clutch
This has already been covered, but I want to say it again. For first gear wheelies, do not use the clutch, you don't have to. Sure, you can use the clutch to feather the power in and control your height, but this is also something you can do equally as well with the throttle, with less wear & tear on your bike, and most importantly, while spending A LOT less concentration. The only reason I would change my opinion on this point is if you're coming from a dirtbiking background where you're already WAY familiar with the use of the clutch, where it's become instinctive. Otherwise, I say don,t use it.
OK, Time to Pull Your First Wheelies!
So, with all these points in mind, you're ready to start. You have all your gear on, you're on a safe, modern sportbike (it could be any bike, but this tutorial only applies to modern sportbikes), you're on a safe road, and you have buddies standing by to help you if things to awry. Start out on your bike looking down a long stretch of open highway. Sit as you normally would on it' you might want to sit a little further back on the seat if you sit WAY forward during normal riding (like I do), but you don't have to go to any extremes. What you do want to do is to make sure to support your body with your stomach & back, rather than with your hands resting heavy on the bars. This is the way you should ride anyway, but is especially important for wheelying. You want to lock your legs down on the bike so that, as she starts to come up, you don't pull back on the bars to 'hold on', which could possibly cause you to open up the gas more than you want to. Also, you need to be loose on the bars to be able to modulate the throttle (though this will come later). Essentially, you want your hands, your throttle hand especially, free to move without supporting your body weight, and this can only be accomplished, at least starting out, if you're anchored down on your bike using your legs & torso. As you progress and gain more experience, you can always loosen up a bit on the bike later. But for starting out, stay locked down & keep your arms loose.
Now, start tooling down the road, in 1st gear, up until you reach the powerband, which will be anywhere from 4-8K, depending on your bike. I don't look at the tach when pulling up, and you shouldn't either. It's just one more thing to detract your attention that could better be spent elsewhere. You'll be able to feel the power coming in. Anyway, once you do feel yourself getting into the powerband, do only one thing, and this is important, ONLY ONE THING. Open up the throttle quickly to full blast. Do not move your upper body forward, do not move it back. Do not shift your hips. Be a robot ? just move your wrist! If you?re in the meat of the powerband, and you didn't subconciously shift your weight forward, the front wheel just came up! I guarantee it! And if it didn't, read back through this paragraph, think about not moving your body, and try again, possibly at a slightly higher RPM. Rinse & repeat.
OK, Time to evaluate your first wheelie:
If you got the wheel up, contratulations!!!! But - you probably set it right back down. Don't worry about it - this is natural. You probably either cut the throttle, shifted your weight forward as you felt the front end come up, or, most likely, a combination of both. But, you learned something for yourself. You learned that the bike WILL come up on it's own. You learned that, at this point, you don't have to do anything other than open the throttle at the right time to make it happen. Now it?s time to start thinking about how to keep the wheel up a little longer, and get it a little higher. Let's first think about what would happen if you just kept things the way they were, you didn't move your body, and you kept the throttle pinned. What do you think would happen? That's right, you'd loop it! But what would it feel like? Well, It would 'feel' like an exponential curve. The first 3rd or so of wheel lift would proceed relatively slowly (though it won?t feel that way to you!) The second third would go quite a bit faster, and the top third will be, well, you wouldn't know what hit you! Now, what if you kept everything else the same? kept your body stationary, but just started to roll the throttle off a bit once you got past the 1st third of travel? One of three things would happen here, you'd either roll off too much & drop back down, roll on not enough and keep ascending, or roll off just the right amount and, for a very brief time, stay put at that height. Because the bike is still accelerating (& therefore making more power), you can't just hit this magic point at this relatively low height & hold it. But you can stay there momentarily. And you can learn, through practice and experience, to roll on/off the throttle to maintain, increase, and decrease your height. And that's exactly what you need to go out and do now, practice holding your wheelies up a bit.
Practice adding distance
OK, You're back out on your safe road, with your safe bike, your safe gear, & your safety net of friends. Start out first as before, just pulling up little 'popcorn' wheelies to get the feel of things. Once your comfy, it's time to try to add some distance & height. There really isn't very much to explain here, it's mostly a matter of practice and experience. But basically, you want to try to start letting off the gas slowly, rather than slamming it shut, as the wheel comes up. Be prepared to spend a lot of time perfecting things. This is really all a matter of feel. Trust me, if you put some real time into this, you'll learn to roll on and off the throttle in order to keep the front wheel somewhere in the air until your bike runs up against the rev limiter. Of course, how quickly your bike revs out is determined by the height of your front wheel, as you approach the balance point (described above), the engine will accelerate less quickly. If you reach the balance point, it will stop accelerating entirely. Let me state, for the record, that I DO NOT recommend trying to ride 1st gear balance point wheelies, especially just starting out. But, as your height increases, you'll be able to ride out longer & longer wheelies. It's just that simple. And, as you practice, you'll find yourself getting higher and higher. It's just a matter of gaining comfort, which will come in time. Take things very slowly, adding in, through multiple practice sessions, a little more height and a little more distance, but no more than you're comfortable with, each time. If you're interested in how high you're going, it oftentimes helps to have yourself video-taped. It also helps, once you're comfortable managing your height and have some free attention to spare, to glance down at the tach and see how fast you?re still accelerating. Remember, as your height increases, your acceleration will decrease.
I mention running up against the rev limiter a lot, only because, if you do nothing other than maintain a non-balance-point height, and you keep the wheel in the air, you will inevitably run up against it, causing you and your bike to come crashing down to earth in a bone-jarring (& sometimes bike damaging) manner. And, starting out, you're almost guaranteed to hit it at least a few times. But, this is definitely something that you want to avoid. So, at the same time that you're trying to modulate the throttle to bring her up controllably, you want to practice monitoring your speed (via engine noise and/or watching the tach), and attempt to start rolling off the throttle before you hit the rev limiter. You also want to start practicing rolling back into the throttle as the descent occurs in order to soften your landings. All of these things, as mentioned above, will come with time and practice. There's no other substitute.
Advanced (for a beginner) Techniques
So, after a lot of practice and hard work, you're now consistently pulling up first gear wheelies, to a descent height, under power alone, and holding them until just before the bike peaks out. Now where can you go from here? There are a number of things you may want to work on. You may want to work on leaning your body back now, which can help bring up your wheel quicker, at lower RPM, and therefore allow you to ride out your wheelies for longer time & distance. This is good practice for 2nd gear power wheelies, where you'll have to use some body english to pull them up. You can practice using the clutch to pull them up, once again for the same reasons, getting them up quicker, at lower speed, and rolling them longer. Once again, this is also a good intro into 2nd gear clutch wheelies. You can continue to seek higher heights, and reach the illustrious balance point, but once again be warned, the 1st gear balance point wheelie will bite you quickly if you're not careful. You can start trying to pull 2nd gear power and/or clutch wheelies, or try shifting up into 2nd gear from 1st. It's all up to you. But, above all, make sure you lay down a firm, solid foundation of the basics before trying to attempt the more advanced manuevers.
Good Luck!!!!!!!
DANIMAL 05-23-2003, 09:28 AM whew long read,but hella good info. youre teh bestest! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
jeffro5372 05-23-2003, 10:38 AM http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif very well written thanks for the info. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif
GIXXERMOE66 05-23-2003, 02:09 PM thanks for the lesson.
jaygixxxy 05-31-2003, 05:25 PM http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gifyea good info, i don't think i would've been as confident in trying to wheelie if it weren't for this thread, now i can't stop and i don't intend to use the clutch yet cuz i already fried it once trying burnouts
Atcgeexer 06-01-2003, 08:39 PM Best article on wheelies that I've read yet. Excellent. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
junior309 06-05-2003, 12:05 AM great article im convinced by your confidence...and plan on using your technique instead of all these other ones i keep hearing. thanks http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif
TONYE 06-08-2003, 09:46 AM thanks for the info buddy working hard on it http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
Nixxer 06-26-2003, 08:29 AM Think there's gonna be a sequel to this, like "Wheelies 201"?
If you want my input, I'd LOVE to see someone write a clear article about 2nd/3rd gear power/clutch wheelies, shifting, standups, and perhaps other variations. No one teaches that shit right, and I'm too lazy to write it up. Especially as clearly and concisely as you could do it, judging by this article!
You're doing a good deed for all the future stunnaz! Props!!!
Nixxer
Fiddy_Ryder 06-26-2003, 08:34 AM Nixxer said:
Think there's gonna be a sequel to this, like "Wheelies 201"?
If you want my input, I'd LOVE to see someone write a clear article about 2nd/3rd gear power/clutch wheelies, shifting, standups, and perhaps other variations. No one teaches that shit right, and I'm too lazy to write it up. Especially as clearly and concisely as you could do it, judging by this article!
You're doing a good deed for all the future stunnaz! Props!!!
Nixxer
i had a wheelie 101c(clutching) but it got lost in the recent transition... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif ill holler at lean and see if we can get a few more written up for everyone. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif
mdumpert 06-30-2003, 11:35 AM Thanks a lot. Great write up. I am gonna try it when i get home from work today... yes your tax dollars pay for me to play on Gixxer.com http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
Blitzergixxer 07-03-2003, 05:02 AM http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gifOutstanding! Masterfully done and well thoughtout. I come from an extensive motocross and FMX backround and I have used the clutch on my gixxer to get the front wheel up. it worked but I didn't like the way it hammered on my bike. I also tried leting off the gas and then snapping back on it to pop up the front but that too also seemed to jar the shit out of my bike. I read your method, printed it out and used it and "Yatzee!" The bike came up smooth on the first atempt. You are clearly a master and I look forward to more of your posts. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
raybec 07-06-2003, 07:47 PM I agree, excellent write up. Very thorough. Thats exactly what I do. I bring it up and let it right back down.
Is there away to tell how far in the air your front wheel is? Do you just go by your RPM's and when they leval out, whola your at the magical point?
Yeah, some 1 plz take the time to do a wheelie forum on doing stand up wheelies. i am comfortable doing the sit down wheelies but everytime that i stand up it seems to lean to a state of unbalance that makes me put her back down. also a forum on clutching it up in second is most wanted. i can power it up in second around 75 mph but that is hella fast to learn. i can run them out to around the 125 range but would be more comfortable clutching them up around 50 or so. some 1 plz show some luv and hook up another post.
Shaunsgsxr 08-01-2003, 05:06 PM How bout writing about 2nd gear wheelies for a gixxer 750 (2000 and up)??? I could use that one!
03GSXR600Z 08-13-2003, 01:06 AM GREAT WRITE UP....IVE BEEN TRYING TO DO WHEELIES THE HARD WAY...
jigxer jay 08-24-2003, 02:08 AM great post... it has been working... cant wait for wheelie 201
PennyThuggin 09-06-2003, 09:30 AM Awesome lesson...thanks for the info! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif
LSC86 09-11-2003, 03:00 PM Nice detailed post. I've been riding street bikes since '87 and still haven't perfected my wheelie technique- somethign about wadding my bike... anyway great post and I'm glad you emphasized the fact that you don't need a 'busa or G1k to do it right either. Heck my old VF500F did first gear throttle wheelies and second gear clutch wheelies! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
BusaoftheEast 09-18-2003, 02:34 PM What is the best method of pulling a wheelie on a BUSA?
tyler
Heyabuza 09-18-2003, 09:39 PM BusaoftheEast said:
What is the best method of pulling a wheelie on a BUSA?
tyler
Twist the throttle. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/squid.gif
NailTheApex 09-19-2003, 02:14 AM Well written my friend. Plenty of info for, i'm sure, all of us to take into acount http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
silvergsxr6 10-05-2003, 04:27 AM http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gifPulled up my first controlled wheely thanks to this post. Everything seemed perfect right to a T!!!!!! Have always been afraid of using clutch since I dumped my old bike about 5 years ago. Thanks again.
rabbit1984 10-27-2003, 11:40 AM I wanted to know I stand up on my bike a lot but I can't pull a wheelie worth shit I can stoppie real good it came kinda natuarally but anyways my ? is do u think standing up to learn how to wheelie is a good idea or not? when I'm standing I feel as though I have more control any input would be much appreciated
b.joe1000 11-05-2003, 06:16 AM Hey, very informative, I'm pretty good at asphalt surfing and I could not have instructed a new stunter any better. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
SuzukiStucki 11-06-2003, 06:54 AM Great Advice! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif This is exactly what they teach at the Keith Code "On One Wheel" school. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif
ALBALUTION 11-21-2003, 01:25 PM neither, with enough practice, slooooooly but surely you will begin to hold them longer and longer. The key is patients. Dont rush your self just keep practicing and it will come to you. Also practice doing them standing instead of sitting. It is alot easier that way. It is alot easier to balance the bike with you feet instead of you butt.
sk1thirtyseven 11-28-2003, 09:33 AM i have nv do wheelie before. and i have something dun understand. if after i have pull my bike up and travel for some distance how do i get my bike back to position.... close throttle completely or step on the rear brake and close the throttle completely or close abit of throttle and when the front wheel reach the ground slowly open the throttle?
revvin 11-30-2003, 08:36 PM that was a great read, really informative. i especially liked the fact that all the elements were explained, right down to powering back on to soften the landing. i think i still wont be any good but at least i understand it now.
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its been saved to my technical library to try at a later date, when the sun is shining...
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DinDin 12-08-2003, 03:11 AM yes i great write up, ive read and now can do 1st gear wheeiles without being so scared.
Bigsky66 12-21-2003, 11:13 AM great advice, I am 55 but mentally 7...crotch rockets are the only cycle I know. Pulled a few wheelies and owe much thanks to this article...thank you man!!!
Niicee 01-09-2004, 05:21 PM thanks man
blkGixxer 01-19-2004, 06:22 AM thanks alot! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
MatthewC 02-11-2004, 09:29 AM I would like to pop a wheelie, but I have afew questions that hopefully you can all help me with first. I have pulled and accidental wheelie or two, and put them down real quick, but have never tried to do one on purpose or tried for any real distance. On the new gix's, with the steering stabilizer's, about how long do you have to hold a wheelie in the air before setting it down becomes difficult? Because holding a wheelie will slow the front wheel down. Will this have any effect in first gear, due to the wheel traveling at a slow (relatively) rate compared to higher geared wheelies, or when setting them down, does it just jar the controls a little, and not cause a steering wobble? Thanks!
GixxerGP 02-13-2004, 01:33 PM MatthewC
As long as the front wheel is pointed in the right direction (i.e. straight) when you drop the front end back down after the front has been in the air the bike will ride it out. If the front wheel has completely stopped spinning and the wheel is brought back down to the ground at speed expect it to shake a little and it'll lay some rubber down and smoke, just like when a jet lands on a runway, but it'll ride its self out as long as the wheel is pointed STRAIGHT.
Lycokayaker 02-21-2004, 04:40 AM great post thanx
Cars&Beer 02-22-2004, 02:25 PM How long did it take u guys to really pull a nice wheelie?
There is one thing in common amoung our group of guys who wheelie street bikes and do it well: they have all learned to wheelie on a bicycle. I strongly recommend to all those who want to learn how to wheelie to learn first on a bicycle. This will save your ass and your bike. I've seen too many guys flip bikes. When you learn not to flip a bicycle, you are ready to start on a street bike.
LowViscosity 02-29-2004, 10:35 PM a bicycle??? how about a dirt bike? wouldn't that have more of the same effect as a street bike?
Heyabuza 03-01-2004, 02:58 AM Even better yet... a fiddy! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif
trickr6 03-06-2004, 04:59 PM good tutorial very helpful even to a person who can ride wheelies can still learn from this thanks
herostar 04-16-2004, 07:15 PM great tutorial, I'm gunna try them tomorrow when it's light out
ESCO750 04-23-2004, 10:02 AM not a bad artical thanx
Yoshiracing 04-25-2004, 08:57 PM i have a 00 gsxr 600 with a yoshi rs-3 slipon (soon to go full with the jets). my bike is lowered and im having trouble getting my wheelies up. I can clutch it up a little and i can pop it up a little but no first gear full throttle powerband wheelies. My stoppies are almost down but i really want to learn wheelies and standups. If u even can on a 600. Please help!!!
Alpha 05-09-2004, 01:37 PM Man even trying this, i still m having trouble, I have a '95 750, is maybe this just a bit too old, and front heavy?
bulletbikeguy 05-11-2004, 08:19 AM someone said something about learning on Dirtbikes. That where I learned. I'm no wheely expert though. One thing I noticed on my dirtbikes (96 yz 125 and 250) is that once the wheel is in the air it's super easy to roll it all the way over. Crazy powerband and suspension cause this I believe. But I don't feel so bad flippin my dirtbikes. Most it's cost me was like 30-60$ for a new rear fender.
Wheelies rock!
steven21 05-13-2004, 12:26 AM i agree, very good tips.i give it 5 stars! my only question since im a beginner is what is it like shifting from 1st gear wheelie to the 2nd gears wheelies?....... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif
steven21 05-13-2004, 12:31 AM junior309 said:
great article im convinced by your confidence...and plan on using your technique instead of all these other ones i keep hearing. thanks http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif
steven21 05-13-2004, 12:34 AM very good info, im working hard on it...but i hope there is more in fo on 2nd 3rd gear wheelies..."shifting up...etc"
Skiboarder311 05-13-2004, 03:44 PM wow, that was long but it helped ALOT
thanx dood
Charlie Murphy 05-17-2004, 12:50 AM http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif good attention to detail. now i know what im doing wrong
Markopolian 05-20-2004, 07:58 PM Ive tried this on my 03' 600 and nothing. Any suggestions? Its not happening.
gixxerdaze750 05-25-2004, 07:46 AM Thanks for taking the time to write that. Can tell you really want the beginner to understand how the bike and body must work together. 'all good! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif
DaveX 05-25-2004, 10:36 AM Very well written. I haven't tried powering it up in 1st, I've always used the clutch but I grew up on dirt bikes and it feels natural to me. I'll have to try this, sounds like fun!
wolph69 05-27-2004, 10:51 PM I have an 03 600 also. I can get the front wheel off the ground in first gear but you have to ride the RPM's. it won't come up till you get past 8k and it will feel like it's screaming when it does. very touchy at those rpm's so I usually stop. but, still... I got the front wheel off the ground.
Coony 06-03-2004, 02:02 PM I think i need a pill, cuz i can't get it up.:laugh:
I tried a few times, at different rpm's, and it still lags a little before it goes, so i think i'm gonna try cleaning out the carbs and changing the plugs.
suzusky 06-19-2004, 06:25 PM gonna be my luck to have read your wheelie articles. this has got to be the best wheelie article that i ever gotta read. i like it! wheelies ROCKS!!
trellis_1 06-25-2004, 07:05 AM It works!!! Thanx dawg. it scared me a little, but I got it up.now i'll start concentratin on throttle control. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/piss.gif
natalie 07-05-2004, 10:39 AM Thanks for the great article. I now feel comfortable with attempting my first wheelie!!! I was trying to figure out the whole clutch thing and I attempted a wheelie a few times and all I got was my neck jerked back and forth but now that I know that it will be more effective in the power band. Thank you again. THis is what it is all about,,,,safety.
Young Buck 07-06-2004, 08:43 PM First of all I wish someone had written this as well as you did when I had my first interest in learning to wheelie the right way, because I've read a lot more stupid "how to's" on this subject, all sub par reading, so kudos http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif
Okay, now on to my question for you guys out there about the 750's.
I Had an 02 ZX6R, got the front wheel up in a couple of manners mentioned here, some not (stupid and dangerous ones). I'm not to the point of wheelie comfort yet (more debt then balls in my case lol). However I have closed the deal on a 750K4 which I will have as soon as I get my ZX6R's title from the bank to trade it in. I have been told this beast should have the front wheel up more than it stays down, this being the case, should I keep the psyche of being on a 1K to be safe, or will I still have to demand the power somewhat to get her airborne? BTW it will probably be a while before I get the chance with break in (and yes I follow manufacturer directions) at 1K miles, just something to start thinking about ahead of time. Because as you stress it is more of a mental leap then slamming your ass and your throttle back carelessly. I found that out when my Kaw pulled her right up just from being in the power band after some blind lady pissed me off in traffic, I pulled next to her window, shared a couple choice words http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/flipa.gif, then suprisingly wheelied outta dodge. Sorry to keep going, but I just figured I'd share my amatuer experience to teach people what not to do, and how to avoid looping their babies, and having to cage it for a while, cause I got lucky and never dumped her. And for the eager wheelie virgin, print this post and read it daily, don't listen to peer pressure from the "other rider" http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bitchslap.gif no matter how well you know them, because learning "your way" as people have put it to me can be very very dangerous and expensive http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif. And if they're your friend they wont push you past your level, if they do, for your health ride with someone else. They got schools for riding that teach this shit, and when you can't afford them you depend on guys like Knight to lay it down.
Kinght thanks again for sharing your knowledge & experience, better to learn a dangerous thing slow & safely, then learn nothing but jacked insurance, debt, pain in a matter of seconds, not to mention reuniting with the inside of your cage till you fix it.
GLOCK357 07-20-2004, 04:17 PM Damn Good article.... ....thats all i can say... oh and keep up the great writitng...
smack21 07-23-2004, 07:32 PM loved the article, but i'm used to doing the wheelies a different way.
1. accelerate to 7.5k rpm
2. force off the throttle
3. compression kicks in and compresses the front shocks
4. as this happens gun-it
5. the bike springs right up no problem, no need for weight shifting clutch manovering or anything else.
i'm still a beginner when it comes to wheelies though, I'm just sharing the method that worked so well for me.
whoparse 07-29-2004, 01:18 AM I had my biike for a year or so now. Peer pressure is really bad when rideing with a lot of insane riders as I like to call them. You know the ones that are all or nothing. In Germany these guys are almost every one on a bike. I have two kids and wife counting on me to come home safly. I also really don't want to mess her pretty sides and pipe.
I'm going to start using this and I'll keep everyone informed. I do beleive it one of the best peices on wheelies i have ever read.
I like the gerneral attude from you guys not pooking or downing anyone with a question. This is one of the most adult acting sites i have ever posted on.
Gsxr750_Melb 08-03-2004, 11:26 AM That is one of the best write ups on how to do wheelies ever...!! Well done and thanks..!!
paulus 08-04-2004, 01:07 PM thanks for the info on wheelies.......
goleefsgo 08-04-2004, 01:46 PM Excellent lesson
frank82 08-05-2004, 08:28 AM good stuff bro tell us how to do it with the feet over the handle bars
wizard racing 08-07-2004, 08:47 AM thats an awsome write up bro.....im not sure i should be reading it though http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
GixxerSugar 08-21-2004, 11:11 AM Long info, but interesting.
When would you recommend a rider to start trying to learn how to do wheelies? After riding a few months? After riding at least a year? Or just whenever?
I'm real interested to get out there on a back road and start trying wheelies but I've only been riding a little under a month, and don't know if I should be trying anything just yet.
Any suggestions gentemen? It would be much appreciated.
Stay safe! -Much Love-
klepp1214 08-21-2004, 11:59 PM i might get flamed for this but, learn at your own pace. if you have somewhere safe to practice and you feel comfortable/confident trying them, then by all means do so. i was riding ok first gear wheelies after a few weeks but that was due to alot of my buddies giving me grief until i did it. either way the hard part (for me atleast) was getting it up, and getting used to not feeling completely out of whack while it was up there.
good luck and when you decide to try let me know how it goes!!
BABIBOY 08-23-2004, 12:13 PM I HAVE THAT SAME INFO IN A MPEG FILE WHICH IS ABOUT 5 MEGS BIG IF U WANT SEND ME A PM WITH YOUR EMAIL ADDDRESS AND I CAN SEND IT TO U.. BUT MAKE SURE U HAVE AN EMAIL ACCOUT THAT WILL HOLD 5 MEGS.. I ALSO HAVE THE CLUTCHING AND OTHER TRICKS IN A FILE I CAN SHARE... THAT WAS A GOOD INFO U GAVE THERE 101.. U SHOULD PUT UP ONE WITH BURNOUTS AND STOPPIES BUT IF U WANT I CAN GIVE U THE INFO AND U CAN POST IT
90gsxr1100 09-02-2004, 03:14 PM GixxerSugar said:
When would you recommend a rider to start trying to learn how to do wheelies? After riding a few months? After riding at least a year? Or just whenever?
I've only been riding a little under a month, and don't know if I should be trying anything just yet.
If you have a wide open space, no traffic, no obstacles, full gear, help, are used to the acceleration of the bike, and you are comfortable, try it out. I recommend trying it out on old POS bike till you get the hang of it. Repairs can be expensive so I hear.
Xtortion 09-11-2004, 02:41 PM Thanx, very good and detailed. Makes me feel more confident going into one.
katanapilot 10-01-2004, 06:36 AM Guys
thanks for all the info.. I am prouud to say here is my first:
MORE HERE (http://65.34.31.190/neil/wheel/)
http://www.gixxer.com/photopost/data/540/39389DSCN0215-med.JPG
katkrewdotcom 10-05-2004, 11:46 AM *smirk
SRAD_MY 10-15-2004, 08:29 PM HI all,
I'm new here and I've been riding on and off for about 15 years and the only wheel I've put up in the air was one that belonged to a 1990 TZR125 GP. This tutorial really kicks ass. Right now, I'm trying to put my SRAD 750 skywards.
Thanks guys http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/bounce.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif
Fiddy_Ryder 10-15-2004, 09:03 PM holy shit.. peeps still read and post to this.. its fukkin old.. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
sportbike solutions 10-16-2004, 03:00 AM yeah, well so am I, Fiddy http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
g@vin 11-04-2004, 10:50 AM well put... http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/punk.gif
natedog101 11-13-2004, 06:40 AM It may be old the the techniq is the same, great write up, can't wait to get mine down.
Tyzuki 01-10-2005, 12:25 PM Awesome write up
Ruff Ryders Houston 01-19-2005, 11:27 PM That part about anchoring your body and relaxing your arms is sooooooooo true.
2k3gixxer1000R 01-24-2005, 06:41 AM Is it true that if you have tension in your arms, it causes uncontrollable wrist movements?
BABIBOY 01-24-2005, 08:38 AM katanapilot said:
Guys
thanks for all the info.. I am prouud to say here is my first:
MORE HERE (http://65.34.31.190/neil/wheel/)
http://www.gixxer.com/photopost/data/540/39389DSCN0215-med.JPG
good job and nice pics on that first one.. it looked really good and glad to see u had full contol of the bike
Tyzuki 02-06-2005, 11:38 AM Awesome write-up. It's obvious your information is right on the money.
96 srad 02-08-2005, 01:05 PM dude good lookn out man very well put thanx
GixerRyan 02-12-2005, 04:49 AM Great write up, very helpful. Great lesson
DirtyDoc 02-18-2005, 04:10 AM Thanks http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/banana.gif
texasboy 02-21-2005, 02:26 PM great advice man, im new to riding my gsxr and that little tutorial helped alot, pulled a few first time after reading your info. And the rev limiter did come faster than i had expected, but working on not hitting it so much and riding longer, once again, keep on truckin
BT Rider 03-05-2005, 10:10 PM Then why are you waisting your time reading this thread again and again and again? I think it is very inmformative and I have learned from it. I think it was great that he put so much time into a GREAT write-up. I am sure it has helped others. Maybe you could take some of the spare time reading outdated posts and offer some positive education for other riders that are just beginning. I am sure you have plenty of experience.
Lucky7875 03-07-2005, 06:28 AM I've been practicing sit down wheelies for about 5 months. I'm having alo of trouble with throttle control. I'm still learning to ride 1st gear power ups. Any advise?
yeah, just keep at it. describe your wheelies and maybe I can get more specific. How long do you ride them, how high do you get the tire, does the front wheel go up and down, up and down, as though you are fighting to keep it up?
Lucky7875 03-11-2005, 12:41 AM i can get the tire up about 3 feet but i always just bring it down after about 20 ft. its like once i get it up, i'm either scared or just not doing something right. whats the trick wth the throttle? do i have to give it a little more once i got it up or try and keep it where it is? Thanks, i appreciate this! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
You just need to keep at it. At this point, if you're only riding them for 20 ft, I recommend that you don't try to get it higher. Practice bringing the tire up under control, without worrying about how high you get it.
Step me through your method for bringing up the wheel.
It's really just about the throttle control. You should practice bringing it up under control, and then practice holding it at that height, even if it's just 12 inches off the ground. Ride it that way all the way to the red line.
Lucky7875 03-18-2005, 01:15 AM I get it up to about 5000 rpms drop the throttle and let the forks compress, then hit the throttle and bring it right up. I held it from one traffic light to another the other day, but i'm still dropping the front pretty quick. Should i try standing up or just stick to sit downs? http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
I think I'm getting impatient as well http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif I keep hearing not to worry about first gear wheelies, and at the same time i'm hearing thats the best way to learn throttle control. I appreciate your help! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
tangy gixxer 03-22-2005, 04:42 PM atleast you are getting that, i let it compress then hit it and all ive managed to do is bust my nuts into the gas tank when the front wont come up and i let down on the throttle haaha
muckamuck4 03-30-2005, 01:36 PM I see that you have gotten alot of thanks, but i dont think it will hurt to get one more. THANKS A TON!
TRAFFIC 04-08-2005, 08:45 AM Best article on wheelies that I've read yet. Excellent. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I agree. You left one thing out though dawg...........May I...?
OK......when learning how to wheelie...you gotta learn on how to come down too. In my case.......I smashed my balls alot. I would sorta "panic" and slam the throttle closed and the bike would come down fast and then ..."CRUNCH ! ! ! !" http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cry.gif
BUT YO, THANKS..
NiceTry 04-11-2005, 09:42 AM Out of 4 stars I easily give you 5 *****!!! Clearly written, easily understood, it doesn't get any better than this! Thanks for the info!!
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GiXxEr6OO 04-15-2005, 06:49 PM Well i finally went out to an open parking lot and tried out what the write up was talking about. At first I wasn't giving it up enough gas so i was just hurting my risk by pulling hard up on the handlebars trying to compensate. That obviously didnt work....until i decided to really get on the gas. Then that front wheel came up realllll easy and a lot faster than i thought it would. Shit just popped right up real quick and caught me off guard, so i got off throttle hard and slighly slammed my nuts into the tank like any newb would have done. Either way its gonna take a lot of practice as i reallyyyy have to learn how to bring the front end up controlled and smooth. So far i've been bringin my '04 600 up to 7-8K RPM, chopping the throttle off, then pin the throttle and pray tactic....which is never good to learn. It's just a bit weird to learn cause i really gotta get a hold of the throttle control concept. I guess i just haven't learned how to bail on the gas and then come off of it just enough to keep the front end up without dipping my front end up and down by chopping throttle. Either way this is a great write up, cause it def works when you try it out. Just takes some confidence and some quick reflexes in the event you almost screw up like me. I also gave a tug on the handle bars which could prob have accounted for it coming up so damn quick on me. I just hope i dont go overboard and end up looping her, cause that would suck majorrrrr! Is it possible to get the same result but more controlled if i did the same thing from like 5000 RPM instead of around 7-8K RPM?
scrappy24 04-18-2005, 05:42 AM okay, call me a coward, but i've had my 01 600 gix'r since october of that year, and i'd only managed to get it up, on purpose, once. twice on accident and, from what i've read here, the proper way. ahhh, to be ignorant. my frustration at being able to get the bitch to do what i knew she could, i talked to some buddies who, not only are as ignorant as i am, are pretty adept at stunts. i'd, just this weekend, started standing her up by the "twist, cram, and twist" technique. now, i know how to do it right, and i'll get it down, no matter how long it takes. great write-up!!!
edit:
having just read my post, i should really have my head examined. if these guys are "teaching" me to do a simple wheelie the wrong way, what does that tell me about the rest of their riding??? i think i should find other people to learn from. flame away!!!
BuCwiLd 04-26-2005, 10:19 AM wow, great......this site is the shizzz.people really take the time to teach...this is great
Mojo1094 04-28-2005, 05:02 PM i just did my first last night. i work til 130 am, and it was ... nice out. only about 40, but i like it cold. so, i was out crusin', popin' up power wheelies, (which i suck at, by the way. i can get the fuggah up, but it just comes back down again. i mean, i wish i could learn going slower, yah know?), so i started to clutch up, and in one night got the front end off, and UP!! i couldn't see the ground, just sky. so i let off throttle slow, the front end just set back down, after like 2 feet, hehe. i went higher than i did forward.
man, i coulda turned coal into a diamond in that minute. i need to get used to standing up on the bike more, then i'm shootin' for standup wheelies. i hear they are easier to get/controll. BUT, without the article i read here, i would have NEVER gotten the front off anywhere. just learning how to preload the suspension etc was invaluable. thanks much, and my jeans that had to be washed thank you too.
laters
SincereSRAD 06-03-2005, 12:42 PM Im having that problem to I get in the powerband let off the throttle then slam it open the front wheel jumps sometimes it rides for a bit but never gets up high...and when i try to clutch it all i get is a big jerk that scares the crap out of me lol
GiXxEr6OO 06-04-2005, 06:09 PM I'm still having problems with 2nd gear power ups on my '04 600. I can do power ups alright in 1st gear but when i try it in second i can get the front wheel to lift at all! Normally in first gear i hit it at 8,000 RPM....but i try the same or similar RPMs in 2nd and i get no response? Any suggestions guys?
R.U. Sirius 06-05-2005, 12:18 AM 8,000 may be a little high... try around 6500.... Make sure your sitting back as far as you can manage... Drop the throttle quickly to compress the front and then give it a bit of a "yank" as you blast the throttle.... Your six should be able to power up in second like that... Provided you use enough throttle and your keeping your weight shifted back... If you still can't get it, and don't want to change out the sprockets, then just get her around 6500, drop the clutch and jam the throttle... DON'T just pop the clutch back out! Your going to let it out in a CONTROLLED MANOR... It will be very quick, but still must be controlled.... The quicker you let out the clutch, the higher/fast she's gonna come up....
SincereSRAD 06-05-2005, 01:49 AM I just found out I have up 3 in my rear sprocket and still cant get the front tire up high in first its got to be my body position..i can make it hop or sometimes ride but never pretty high
CRAIG S. 06-15-2005, 04:56 PM I get it up in first no problem im just a little twitchy on the gas sometimes i am able to ride it all the way out till i redline i really want to learn stand up and 2nd gear but my bike bike is fairly new and i try not to abuse it i shouldn't have sold my old bike but in another year or twowhen i get a new one im
keeping this one and going all out. a friend of mine had a brand new 1000 started wheeling all the time flipped it , totaled it and now he's beat for the summer, something 4 everybody to keep in mind i love stunts but at the same time i like ripping open highways and twisties catch me if you can ha ha !!!!! and thanx to the person who wrote the instructions
Retribution 06-20-2005, 06:25 AM (Mind you: my avatar pic is a "photoshop wheelie", I even got rid of it but it hasn't updated yet.)
Fellow Gixxers,
I have thoroughly followed this brilliant tutorial... to little wheeling improvement so far.
On the last couple days alone I must have given 50 shots at it. My report would be similar to SincereSRAD's. The most I got was like 2, maybe 3 inches off the ground for a second.
So here are my considerations to help you help me, and forgive the lenght of it since I feel the need to be specific:
- I have tried STARTING the procedure from 4K up to 8K revs.
- I am sitting almost all the way back on the seat and keeping as upright a position as possible and avoiding being all over the tank.
- I am really concentrating on not providing ANY forward (fear-compensating) body motion.
- I am concentrating also on twisting the throttle all the way to full gas, and in the quickiest twist motion possible, and that I'm sure of achieving.
- I have tried leaning a bit further backwards. Even tried a subtle backward motion when hitting the gas.
- I have tried it on flat, uphill and downhill segments of road.
- I have tried the go-slam-go procedure as a last resort, for many attempts as well.
I began to speculate on possible causes:
- Lack of traction: could the rear tyre be too "dry" (as in old) and not providing enough grip even though I don't hear or feel it sliding? It still hasn't reached half of its useful thread life but it could have sat on the store for a while. I sincerely don't believe that's the cause though because they don't seem to be slipping.
- Could the engine not have enough power? It sure doesn't feel so ('96 750 SRAD, very well cared for).
- Could the clutch plates be worn out? They don't feel so either.
- Could I be deceiving myself regarding the "I'm positive I do no forward body motion" fact? I must say I give it a lot of attention and it would really surprise me to be the case.
A couple of point-outs from which I'd like feedback also:
- I must say that (starting at around mid-powerband revs like 6500K) - it does not matter whether I'm getting the front wheel a couple of inches off or none - the bike will speed up so quickly it will hit the rev limiter in maybe 2 seconds, or at least it feels so.
That means since the wheel ain't getting any higher all the power is being converted to forward motion , I get it, but it does get me thinking how much less forward acceleration I would get with the front wheel being near balancing point - thus yielding longer wheelies up to rev limit, much longer than those couple of seconds I reckon.
- Having watched hundreds of wheelie vids I still wonder how quickly the front wheel is supposed to rise in a good wheelie. That will sure come with experience; currently my bike speeds up fast but the front wheel refuses to rise but slowly.
- I have a hard time following the "relaxed upper body and wrists" tip; the acceleration is brutal and even though I'm hugging the tank with my knees and my boots are sure-footed on the pegs I can't help but grab the grips like I'm "hanging" from them.
Furthermore: Concerned about the high engine braking power involved and having the acceleration and hence inertia keeping me hanging there so harshly, I have difficulty reaching for the clutch... so when it nears the rev limit (and since by then the front wheel is on the ground anyway) I pre-tension on the gear lever and up it to second gear - clutchless. Lee Parks says (in "Total Control") it's ok to do this, even though he isn't talking about wheelies. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Thanks, your feedback will surely help many others! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
sportbike solutions 06-20-2005, 06:40 AM Great detail man http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/thumb.gif
Let me address your speculations...
First, if you were spinning up the rear, you'd know it, one way or another. Either the rear would get really loose & want to step out, or it would spin up and then REALLY launch you up into the air. I don't think that's your problem
Yes - the bike might not have enough power to do it following my directions to the letter... and a slow loss of power over time is hard to keep track of. I know my bike still feels fast - to me - because it's just slowly worn out. But put it under another rider, or on a dyno - the power loss really shows (in my case, worn rings, as my motor has over 65K miles on it now). Note this is just a possibility, not necessariliy your problem.
clutch is doubtful. If your clutch is worn & slipping, it will do so under high load in HIGH gears long before low gears.
If I had to hazard a guess, without knowing anything more than I do, I'd think that 'deceiving yourself about leaning forward' is very likely exactly what you're doing. Particularly if you're having problems 'hanging on to the handlebars' under acceleration. When I'm riding my bike - no matter how hard I'm accelerating, cornering, wheelying, whatever... there's never any load or support on the grips. It doesn't matter how fast you take off - all your weight should be supported by your knees, hips, legs, and back. If you're not doing that now - practice until you are. You don't have to practice doing wheelies - just make sure you're always supporting your body in this manner, at all times when riding. Maybe your just not in shape (specific to riding a sportbike) yet? (guessing here). It takes a little bit of conditioning, actually, to support yourself the way you need to. Once you get it down, it will make you a better rider no-matter what you're doing... stunts, cornercarving, whatever. The good news is the only 'exercise' you really need is to get out as much as possible on your bike and just ride (without putting any weight on the bars) http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It's not uncommon to KNOW, FOR SURE, WITHOUT A DOUBT that you're not leaning forward. Then you finally get it down and realize that you WERE, WITHOUT A DOUBT... countering the wheelie by leaning forward the whole time http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Final note: Don't rush things. If you're getting it up a little bit - that's better than where you were before. Take your time, do it safe, and you'll manage in time.
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Retribution 06-20-2005, 08:41 AM Great to "hear" from you LeanAngle! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/icon_rant.gif
Let's see...
-My bike has only 24,500 km of road behind it but it doesn't mean your guessing is off concerning power loss.
-I'm neither fat nor skinny and these days I pretty much daily commute on the bike but I might be lacking the required torso and ab strenght so I see your point there too, these stunts sure take conditioning.
It was definitely a huge tip for me to learn that no matter how fast you go you can still hold it entirely on feet and legs and leave the wrists for fine tuning. I'll focus on that and also on not (deceiving myself about) leaning forward.
Thank you very much for taking the time, I hope to eventually post with some noticeable progress. http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/cheers.gif
BlownChevelle 06-23-2005, 04:35 PM Right on, thanks man!
kneescraper 06-27-2005, 07:31 AM Awesome thread, and now standing up on those wheelies.
http://www.cixteam.com/index1.htm
Very informative. Excellent wheelie learning tool.
question on an 05 gixxer 600 can you get power wheelies in 2nd gear stock without going down a sprocket in the front???
quietst0rm 07-28-2005, 09:47 PM SOUNDS GOOD ILL DEFINATLY HAVE TO TRY THAT IM IN KUWAIT NOW BUT WILL BE HOME SOON THANKS FOR THE INFO
beck26 08-14-2005, 11:36 AM man i have a 04 gixxer600, and i've been trying to get the front wheel off the ground. I've read ur post on this, but can't do it. in first gear i get to around 6-7k rpm's and then just open the throtal up, all it seems to do is just take off and just hearing the rev's that high can't be good. i'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. let me know if u have any advice thanks.
zadam 08-15-2005, 07:25 AM Anyone know where the power band is on a 05 750?
Domslude 08-23-2005, 03:41 PM awesome!!
zulubreed33 09-06-2005, 11:45 AM thx for the info guys!!!!!!!
dudeongsxr1k 09-06-2005, 11:46 AM yeah man for those of you who say i have a 600 or a 750 that cant or wont wheelie this article is for you. i have wheelied my friends STOCK 96 gsxr 600 with clutching in 2nd gear and if that can wheelie off raw power andthing can. great advice none the less its all about getting comfy with the power and height of wheelies that scares most people but if you can ride on two wheels , which requires balance why not learn to ride on one wheel ?
chameleon 09-14-2005, 01:07 PM Do you need to pull the clutch in (ie: disengage the tranny) before landing the wheelie?
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[UPDATE]: Nevermind, Skidmark answered my question.
j-mal 09-16-2005, 03:09 AM It would seem to me that just whacking the throttle on a say a 1000 would bring the bike up too violently. My question is at about what rpm would you find it the easiest to pull up? i say around 4k when I am around 25 mph or so; want you opinion cause I ain't real big on 12 o'clocks in first but pulling up in second seems safer to me even though it takes a "little different technique.
Uncle Shittypants 09-27-2005, 12:16 PM ok i can get it up, but how the fuck do i keep it up, im so scared of looping i sit it right back the fuck down
ljerr2 10-11-2005, 02:11 PM My bike is an 05 1K. It will ilft in 1st gear at 4K or so, but I find it most controllable around 6k. I can lift it quite slowly and controllably at that RPM. Its very easy and not jerky.
zulubreed33 10-12-2005, 04:33 AM Your almost there I have 2k2 1k and I follwed the instructions, a little wheelie- a little distance, a bigger wheelie more distance. Control the throttle and stay motionless. You will get there eventually.
Uncle Shittypants 10-12-2005, 12:09 PM yah im starting to be able to ride them out pretty consistantely now
itzameeh 10-22-2005, 02:18 AM great info. i did exactly what it said to do and it definetly worked better than the way i was doing it. I guess you can teach..........AN OLD DOG NEW TRICKS!. thanks
WhiteFox 10-30-2005, 11:14 AM As I read this I was very nervous about trying it, but I was still hoping that maybe I could at least pop the wheel for a second. So i took my bike into a good size parking lot, and tried this method, and sure enough, up the wheel came. On about the 5th time I had that wheel up in the air about 6-7". I decided I needed to leave the lot, and try it on the street, and when I did man that wheel came up even higher, and I held it for about 3 seconds. I feel pretty confident about bring it up now even though I've not done it many times, but I could always do it in the same fashion on a dirtbike, and I ride BMX through the streets, so I suppose that helps some, but I'm sure I can work on getting it higher and up longer now!
gsxr joe 11-23-2005, 06:18 AM back in 89 when I first bought my gsxr 1100.. I had a lot of experience with a motor cross bike, and pulling long wheelies, but there is a difference for sure.. in the beginning I would get the bike up, get scaired and bring it back down, within 2 months I was going wide open in 1st gear (starting around 40mph) and go W.O.T the bike would go strait up immediatley and ride it out untill the motor shut off, if I remember corectly the motor shut off at 12,500 and I could do 90-95 if first gear, and many times this is how I wheelied, although there was the occasional pop of the clutch at very low speed, get the bike at 12 o'clock and just throttle the bike to keep it up there with out gaining much speed, if I wanted more speed I would shift the bike into second.. I never used the rear brake and I never used my body weight.. I never looped on my bike, a couple of times on the motor cross bke, But with the 1100 , there was no fear of just nailing the throttle, the bike acted as if there where wheelie bars on it, it would jump up to 12 o'clock and just stay there untill you hit the higher end of the rpms, and then the bike would come down fast..
I.E. 750 12-02-2005, 01:38 PM still working on all the above...on a yz 250 in the dunes, so i wont battle scare my bike.
awesome info. thanks
slack0Yd 12-08-2005, 01:11 PM OK, I've been working on my wheelies for a long time now and I'm actually starting to get somewhere. Heres what I've found works and doesn't make me feel like an out of controlled crazy man. Get going in second and accelerate to where it starts to get twitchy. Thats where the powerband is. So note that rpm and sound .. prob about 7 or 8k ... next I get going down the road a few thousand rpms below that ( just listen dont look at the tach). Then dip the clutch with the index finger, rev the engine well into the powerband (it will sound just a little bit higher than your stomach wants it to) and slowely release the clutch while giving it a little more gas. Slowely is a relative term. You'll get a feel for it. The darn thing will walk up. If it get out of hand while your going up, just ease off the throttle a bit or hold the clutch a bit longer as ya ease it out. It feels pretty controlled this way. Note that when I say slowely its prob less then a second for the whole deal to happen. Well, thought I'd pass that on. I'm gunna keep practicing http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
dkutin 01-27-2006, 10:32 AM Extremely well written! I am new to wheelies and have been doing the throttle on/off/on thing. I tried what you said and it is SOOOOO much smoother than what I was doing before. I think this article could teach a monkey to wheelie! Thanks again! http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/applause.gif
slack0Yd 01-30-2006, 04:26 AM Found this post on gsxr.com:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...66&q=motorcycle
Very sweet find. He goes over how to slip the clutch very well in my opinion. The key thing is to have gas on thru the slip. Give it gas, a cunt hair latter dip the clutch and release. Keep the clutch dip part the same and just increase the throttle part until it walks up nice and smooth. I found that if I think about it this way it make for less variables in my mind. The clutch dip is always the same and the only thing I'm changing is the throttle variable. This way I learn faster and can repeat things better.
Its fun actually getting somewhere with my wheelies. I've been taking it so slow and the learning curve for me has not been the fastest. But, its been pretty safe so far http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Keith Flexx 02-07-2006, 02:06 PM great tutorial i'll let you know how i go. bet im gonna shit myself http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
lol http://www.gixxer.com/forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
gsxrmn 02-23-2006, 07:50 AM great info i've yet to try on my new 750, but i've had the o shit experiences on a R1 and GSXR1100
Narcissistic1976 03-03-2006, 02:49 AM try this link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6656191590638402466&q=motorcycle+wheelie
falcon247 03-08-2006, 05:03 PM Anybody know what you can do to keep it from wobbling when you take one of your legs off the peg?
Anybody here experienced with highchair wheelies?
287ridah 03-09-2006, 08:54 AM Anybody know what you can do to keep it from wobbling when you take one of your legs off the peg?
Anybody here experienced with highchair wheelies?
usually wobble is from throttle chop. Not saying your chopping the throttle but being smoother is the key.
falcon247 03-09-2006, 02:02 PM Yeah, thats what I thought. But I've got it at the point where I'm not moving the throttle. I'm just relying on balance. It seems like if the road isn't perfectly smooth that has a lot to do with it too. Maybe I'm just swinging my leg over too fast and making it wobble. I don't know. I'll have to experiment I guess. Any idea on how to stop a wobble when standing up? I've tried bending me knees to squeeze the tank a little but it dosn't always work that great.
287ridah 03-09-2006, 05:59 PM well most roads have a crown in the middle so rain doesnt settle there, making wheelies shift left or right. But it can be corrected with steering. If your standing up with both feet forward or left foot back and you have good brake control just gas it more to get more into BP or even higher to slow the wheelie down, which will smooth you out and make it simpler to steer. Also body position is key. If you concentrate on locking your arms N legs out you can balance more. Then simply dip one leg in to steer. Oh and lean back. practice practice practice
G4L Gixxer 4 Life 03-17-2006, 12:50 PM 1st Wheelie!!! Scared the shit out of me. I did it using this method. The key is not to hunker down when you twist the throttle. I had been going wide open all day and I finally thought about it tonight and was like wait what if I just sat back in my seat a little and hit it? BOOM! Scared the living hell out of myself when I almost ran into my neighbors yard cuz I couldn't see past the front wheel. I paniced a little but hey what the hell, I know I can do it now.
InfamousGixxer 03-19-2006, 04:13 PM Great write up! I am now getting the wheel up consistatlly, but at a low height. When I get the tire off the ground, should I give it more throttle to get the wheel higher? I'm also worried about running up against the rev limiter, so I'm going to start to try the 2nd gear power ups. One thing that has helped is vidieo tapping myself. I watched the playback after every couple of runs to see how high the tire was getting and then brought the vivd home and watched again. I seem to have the correct posture and balance, because the bike stays going straight and has no jerkyness. So taping your self might be the best thing in determining what you are doing wrog and right.
06gix-fireman 04-26-2006, 09:15 AM This by far is one of the best writings on wheelies I have ever read! Thanks for the info! :thumbup
GSX-R Fanatic 06-11-2006, 11:53 PM when i get my bike i will surely follow this tutorial
Scottman Gixxer 06-12-2006, 10:05 AM thats a really good write up, keep them coming on differernt topics, im loving the effort and attention you went into
Now to try that on my 1000
Cheers
beck26 06-12-2006, 09:39 PM go out and try it, but be safe.
brandonp 07-02-2006, 12:38 AM i just bought the 06 gsxr 600 and got to wheelies right away, it was quite a bit different then an 04 ninja 250 lol, anyways on the gsxr i had sit down wheelies down in one day their quite simple actually and it's well explained on page 1 at the top! the first 15, 20 times you get the wheel off the ground you're going to freak and drop the throttle and your front tire will slam on the gound, dont worry its normal.. the best words of advice are to stay relaxed ( dont lean foward, don't flex your arms, just stay relaxed). also when you blip the throttle to get the wheel off the ground it may not go up right away, stay on the gas and it will rise up slow and then when its off the ground it will start to come up pretty quick (this is when you'll probably lay off the throttle because you're scared, but dont worry just practice practice practice and you'll learn how to roll the throttle to ride a nice long wheelie! I highly recommend sit down wheelies first to get used to throttling and then move on to 2nd gear stand ups because their easier to get up but if you dont know how to roll on and off the throttle it will be more scary than to learn on sit downs!
NMgixxer 07-07-2006, 12:47 PM hey kikass lesson..........thnx
thumper06 07-09-2006, 01:53 AM Hit the spot on this one man!
gsxr1000extreme 07-13-2006, 08:13 AM I didn't see it here but if you guys are going to ride long wheelies on a gsxr anything you better get an oil pickup! I can tell you from experience. I have spun 3 bearings in my 1000 doing 30 to 40 mile wheelies and 12o clocks. Here is a good link to look at.
http://www.stuntme.com/servlet/Detail?no=31
Trust me $85 is better then 1200 for new crank and bearings and thats if you do the work!
PS: Don't think because you have a 600 or 750 you don't need one, the pickups are all the same no matter what year or size!
bigtimgsxr600 08-14-2006, 09:15 PM every time i pull a wheelie it comes down to hard and racks my nuts
williamsonmj 08-18-2006, 01:56 PM Great info, Thankx man
1K2Gixxer 08-23-2006, 09:05 PM I didn't see it here but if you guys are going to ride long wheelies on a gsxr anything you better get an oil pickup! I can tell you from experience. I have spun 3 bearings in my 1000 doing 30 to 40 mile wheelies and 12o clocks. Here is a good link to look at.
http://www.stuntme.com/servlet/Detail?no=31
Trust me $85 is better then 1200 for new crank and bearings and thats if you do the work!
PS: Don't think because you have a 600 or 750 you don't need one, the pickups are all the same no matter what year or size!
I agree 100%!! I bought the oilpan baffle from Schnitz Racing. It's basically a thin brass or copper baffle that has a small opening for the oil pick-up to go thru and keeps the majority of the oil at the bottom of the oil pan at the pick-up. I think it cost like $75-80 but well worth it!!
o town rider 09-08-2006, 11:43 PM very informative thanks
tankerman1981 10-15-2006, 04:13 PM lil long but still a great read....
GsDave05 10-20-2006, 03:42 PM nice write show all those losers how to really do it :cheers
Savage600 10-29-2006, 01:21 AM I'm gonna try it when I get a new clutch.
Savage600 10-29-2006, 01:23 AM :cheers
BusaoftheEast omg u cant wheelie ya busa. hahahahaha thats funny. people like u make me laugh.
Gixxer-Boy-Brown 12-06-2006, 06:23 PM Well, I think I have gone blind reading that.
What a bloody good, if not a tad long read. Thanks for putting the effort in to put in up for all of us to learn from. Massive respect :punk
jdc04e 12-07-2006, 06:04 PM seriously this is the best most complete clear instruction avalaible must read if u dont believe in 600 power wheelies
Gixxer-Boy-Brown 12-16-2006, 10:58 AM :cheers Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I had the front up today off the throttle
(but my mates dont believe it was without using the clutch)
I left the lights, wound it up to about 7k and then snapped open the throttle. I almost shat myself, the front came up and i eased off a bit and then i landed. It felt great, and then couldn't stop woooping for the rest of my journey to work.
I just have to work on my landings and height.
But I power wheelied my 600 when all mates told me it was imposible!!! :flipoff
And it's all thanks to this post, well done!!!!!!!
THANKS
:D
Gixxer-Boy-Brown 12-16-2006, 06:27 PM UPDATE
I've been odered out for a ride tomorrow to display my new found wheel lifting skills.....................................here's hoping it doesnt flip..............
dbt07 05-03-2007, 09:55 AM sweet thx for the info
gixxerjockey 07-10-2007, 06:56 AM 54030
dankaufman1229 08-05-2007, 09:06 PM ok i can ride a 1st gear wheelie prettey good and a second gear wheelie good too. But i can seem to get over the fear of the stand up wheelie. I have a 2005 gsx-r 750. geared it down 1 tooth in the front sproket, and put a tre in it. what trick or peace of knoledge might help me do a stand up.
roush24 08-08-2007, 03:18 PM How bout writing about 2nd gear wheelies for a gixxer 750 (2000 and up)??? I could use that one!
Yeah me 2...how bout it
GIXXERRocketMan 08-09-2007, 11:53 AM Hey i own a new 2007 gsxr 1000 and i'm trying to learn to wheelie but everytime i open up the throttle in first gear while riding i can never get the front wheel up..
HELP PLEASE
jiz_17 08-17-2007, 07:21 AM Hey i own a new 2007 gsxr 1000 and i'm trying to learn to wheelie but everytime i open up the throttle in first gear while riding i can never get the front wheel up..
HELP PLEASE
I have the same problem I've been searching and I got up maybe 8 inches off the ground and that was on a hill and by that time I flying. I can get it a foot off the ground clutching it in second but no higher, the bike just comes right back down.
We both need some advice here.
LittleJob 09-11-2007, 05:52 PM if you have a 1000....then u have a problem...i can do this on my 600...you should be able to loop it easily in first...
while clutching it just keep increasing your rpm's untill you feel comfortable.
**Just relized this post was rreally old....my badd.....**
jiz_17 09-13-2007, 10:47 AM if you have a 1000....then u have a problem...i can do this on my 600...you should be able to loop it easily in first...
while clutching it just keep increasing your rpm's untill you feel comfortable.
**Just relized this post was rreally old....my badd.....**
I'm getting it up now but having the balls to keep it up and keep it up high enough is a whole different animal. I get it up high enough and let it right back down. But I guess I have to get use to the height.
Kasanova 09-16-2007, 11:35 AM DAMN! i wish i read this when i first started out. it would have saved me a clutch back in 02. but some of these riders these days cant read and comprehend at the same time... so if you could put pictures wit those words it might help the next group of pop'r upp'rs lol. nice lesson tho
timoxa 10-13-2007, 02:46 PM so I been doing like it says in an article, but now I'm stock, when I'm in my powerband 6-8RPMs( K6 600) I shut the throttle off and bring it back on quickly, everytime I do this it just comes up about 6-8 inches and thats it, do I need to be in higher RPMs? because giving more gas is scary and I have a fear of wrecking my bike, cause I already been down hard twice, not stunting tho... any tips?
sifutos 10-18-2007, 10:55 AM Thank u for da info it was really helpfull
hondaonchrome 11-09-2007, 12:22 AM I will invest in a cage for my bike before i try to do any kind of stunts,
If your going to try stunts your going to drop it eventually so if your scared about messing up your bike then dont try to stunt.
Just my 2cents.......:rolleyes:cheers
Monil52 01-09-2008, 08:48 PM i find it very easy to just ride at about 25-30 in first gear then slip the clutch. Let the bike come up to height, then you just feather the gas. It sounds confusing, but once your comfotable with the front tire coming up and actually letting the bike sit up.... its nothing.
87253 01-17-2008, 07:09 PM am currently experimenting with this myself (clutching it). My problem is not the wheelie but keeping the wheel straight on landing. Any help would be great. I tend to turn the wheel to the right and that makes me back off because my brain says:" oh no your gonna crash". Do I just stay loose on my grips and ride it out on the landing? I don't want to end up like the guy on the Isle of Man TT video on You Tube whos front end is violently shaking on landing a wheely(he does not recover it). Any ideas?
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untamed10 01-19-2008, 05:20 PM Awesome write up, the only thing is. I have a 2004 GSX-R 1000. Can you give me some advice on how to handle this beast. I know you mentioned in your write up that you recommened a 600 or 750. Help me out here. I really want to learn how to wheelie. The reason why I got a 1000 is, the power and the feeling. Also I got a great deal on it.
sikfuk 01-23-2008, 05:14 PM nice...thanks for the info
scott0082 02-23-2008, 10:16 AM done that been there for a long time now... I'm trying to take a turn -wide turn of cource- on wheelie for 3 months now and I JUST CANT... I only managed to do this once ... can you help me?
Peter3746Gixxer 03-11-2008, 08:11 PM done that been there for a long time now... I'm trying to take a turn -wide turn of cource- on wheelie for 3 months now and I JUST CANT... I only managed to do this once ... can you help me?
With a Stand up wheelie try leaning....thats all it takes...but do it little by little until your comfortable with it
JimmyOOOOO 03-14-2008, 07:14 PM be patient... there's always another wheelie waiting for you... unless you get impatient, in which case you run a significant risk of turning your bike into a bucket full of legos.
Kyle_GSXR 03-22-2008, 03:15 AM I've been trying to lift the front on my 02 600 and it's being stubborn. This is my first bike, so I'm still new to this stuff, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I'm making sure to not shift any weight forward. I just bring the revs up to 5k or more, go WOT and it just won't lift. The front wheel has actually started to wiggle a couple times which is pretty unnerving, but it won't leave the ground completely.
The bike only has 10k miles, and it seems to be running perfectly. Is there any way to check to make sure she's making all the power she should be short of putting her on a dyno? I mean, it seems like it pulls like fucking rocket ship to me, but this is also my first bike (and much faster than any car I've ever driven).
What do you guys think? I'm guessing practice, practice, practice... :dunno
JimmyOOOOO 03-22-2008, 06:36 AM I've been trying to lift the front on my 02 600 and it's being stubborn. This is my first bike, so I'm still new to this stuff, but I can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I'm making sure to not shift any weight forward. I just bring the revs up to 5k or more, go WOT and it just won't lift. The front wheel has actually started to wiggle a couple times which is pretty unnerving, but it won't leave the ground completely.
The bike only has 10k miles, and it seems to be running perfectly. Is there any way to check to make sure she's making all the power she should be short of putting her on a dyno? I mean, it seems like it pulls like fucking rocket ship to me, but this is also my first bike (and much faster than any car I've ever driven).
What do you guys think? I'm guessing practice, practice, practice... :dunno
I've never seen an 02 600 that would power wheelie in 2nd without a decent bounce (standups). Doing a sitdown is definitely going to require using the clutch IMO
Kyle_GSXR 03-22-2008, 12:42 PM This is first gear...
sportbike506 03-22-2008, 01:20 PM Try maintaining 5ooo then just back off for a sec then hit it , it will come up . At 5000 then just hitting it , it probably wont because the weight is already shifted back . When you let off the weight will shift forward and then back on the gas quickly will shift it back quickly and you will be in your power band and it will come up --- dont go wide open though or you will be on your back . Just try it a few times easy and you will notice it getting higher and higher with more gas .
They will also clutch up in second . ( I Promise ) .
Remember up to 5 or 6 g's then off the gas and on real quick---up she comes .
What that does is compress the front shock a little and the rebound from the shock will help bounce it up ( ie: the bounce )
Great write up this will come in handy!
simonsj 06-05-2008, 05:18 PM How many times did you wreck before you got good at wheelies?
kiN SXII 06-05-2008, 05:56 PM How many times did you wreck before you got good at wheelies?
You don't have to.. If you're patient and take it one step at a time, don't rush you will not wreck. I've never crashed untill I got comfortable and started messing around a lot
georginsane 07-01-2008, 02:50 AM Nice article thank you
OVGIXxeRk7 07-06-2008, 10:25 PM I just bought an 07 GSXR 1000 and i've only been riding since Sept and I'm already pulling wheelies. Everything written in his thread is exactly what i did. I've never rode a day in my life and only 10 months later i'm pulling wheelies for the ladies on the roads. Self taught rider not to mention a few successful stoppies!!! Late!!!
Jerrygo 07-12-2008, 06:26 PM Great Write up! Props :punk:punk:punk:punk :cheers :cheers
Jerrygo 07-15-2008, 04:17 PM I ride a k5 750. Through power-up willies I can only do it in first Gear. I try second but it wont budge.. Why could that be. The bike lifts without sweat in first but others have trouble :banghead
Beaker 07-15-2008, 05:34 PM the problem is you, not the bike. bounce on the pegs to compress the suspension, then power it as the suspension comes back up. Or just stop doing squidly power wheelies and do clutch wheelies, they are better and safer.
Jerrygo 07-15-2008, 08:32 PM I want to do clutch willies so bad :drool but I get scared and wouuld hate to thrash the bike.. RISKY but practice makes willies! :scared Hate seeing shit like this
Quite obvious you dont need this much throttle! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shMLV02u6Gs&feature=related)
Lost control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-d2sde9rQM&feature=related)
Looks like he got scared and let go of the bike.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwkNsX2Xo00&feature=related)
03SevenFifty 07-15-2008, 08:48 PM To everyone who wants to learn how to wheelie, start small and work your way up... There are no do over's for squids who cant be patient.... Its taken me 2yrs on and off of wheelieing since 03 to get where I am now... BE PATIENT and trust me UBERWHEELIEONENESS will come.... I promise!!!
Beaker 07-15-2008, 09:10 PM yep, all 3 of those vids look like people that were trying to do too much too fast... the one that you said it looks like he lost control... the vid is labeled as it being his first wheelie attempt... wtf was he thinking trying to do that on his first attempt...
the first vid... don't bounce your damn engine off the limiter and drop the clutch... that's just retarded...
the last vid, looks like he just wasn't hanging on...
GixxSaw 08-12-2008, 04:02 PM soo whats amp mean?
FZ Hooligan 08-12-2008, 08:43 PM I want to do clutch willies so bad :drool but I get scared and wouuld hate to thrash the bike.. RISKY but practice makes willies! :scared Hate seeing shit like this
Quite obvious you dont need this much throttle! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shMLV02u6Gs&feature=related)
Lost control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-d2sde9rQM&feature=related)
Looks like he got scared and let go of the bike.. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwkNsX2Xo00&feature=related)
The 2nd & 3rd clips are both power wheelies....see how fast they come up on the power once past the 1/2 point????
Like already said, "Start small, & learn to clutch!!"
FZ Hooligan 08-12-2008, 08:46 PM Here's a little compilation of wheelies & such.
http://www.vimeo.com/1240277
Everything is clutched!!
(sorry it's not on a Gixxer)
Enjoy,
FZH
silentmayhem 08-12-2008, 09:49 PM Here's a little compilation of wheelies & such.
http://www.vimeo.com/1240277
Everything is clutched!!
(sorry it's not on a Gixxer)
Enjoy,
FZH
1st gear or 2nd?
popimp600 08-12-2008, 11:01 PM i just started clutching two days ago and as said above about being scared im sure everyone is there first nice clutch up a few feet. anyways i just started slow and buy the end of the day i was walking up and holding nice ones. next for me i guess is stand ups. got a few of them up but again its a different feeling so gotta get over it and get used to it. cover the back brake shit gets ugly use it or lean foward it brings mine down instantly
FZ Hooligan 08-13-2008, 07:55 PM 1st gear or 2nd?
2nd & 3rd, I like running wheelies at moderate revs.
AFitchguy07 08-18-2008, 07:07 AM alright i come from a history of dirtbiking but the sportbike is like new spandex so i'm still working my self into it. anyways the other night about 5 of us were riding along the highway on a wheelie session and i decided i felt comfortable enough to try and so i did. first off i was in 1st gr about 25-30mph and had some trouble but then i gave it more and i started getting it up. i was gunna try second gear but i had to cut it short cause we had state troopers and cops chasing us. the most trouble i was having overall was losing traction and tire spinning. now this was a newly paved highway and traction was pretty good i thought. no one else had issues so i know it's just me. i had originally started out in second but had no luck other than a few inches then someone said try 1st gr. so that's where i started out.
one guy said he saw me takin too long on releasing the clutch and i just needed to let it slip off my finger and fling out instantly; that kind of helped. what am i missing?
057rexxig 08-18-2008, 08:08 AM Clutching it up in first is dangerous in my opinion. First is way to touchy to big of a chance of looping. If you want to get it up in first i would accelerate to about 25-30 like you were doing than let out on the throttle to make the front end kind of dip down a bit and than get back on it as soon as the fron dips. Thats what i do but i shift out of first as soon as i get it up second is much smoother and you can ride it out longer if you cant find the balance point.
AFitchguy07 08-18-2008, 08:13 AM Clutching it up in first is dangerous in my opinion. First is way to touchy to big of a chance of looping. If you want to get it up in first i would accelerate to about 25-30 like you were doing than let out on the throttle to make the front end kind of dip down a bit and than get back on it as soon as the fron dips. Thats what i do but i shift out of first as soon as i get it up second is much smoother and you can ride it out longer if you cant find the balance point.
well it's been raining the past few days and will be for a couple more.. but when it drys up i'll try out the power on like you say and also for clutchin in 2nd (since i dont even want to attempt shifting on one wheel yet) what would you say is a good rpm & mph to go at?
057rexxig 08-18-2008, 08:23 AM well it's been raining the past few days and will be for a couple more.. but when it drys up i'll try out the power on like you say and also for clutchin in 2nd (since i dont even want to attempt shifting on one wheel yet) what would you say is a good rpm & mph to go at?
Well its hard to say really i have a 750 and i usually clutch it up in second around 50-60mph. I cant really say what rpms to rev it to either because i just listen to the bike. i dont look to see what rpms im at. You may have to bounce it up. What i mean is that you clutch it up and it comes up a little and it will go back down but as soon as it goes back down you can clutch it up again and your suspension will rebound and you will get it up no problem.
bigwndw66 08-18-2008, 03:24 PM I don't seem to be able to throttle it up in first. I have to clutch it, but it works great for me. That's the way I learned to do it. I'm going to try and shift next.
057rexxig 08-18-2008, 03:27 PM If you plan to try to shift u may want to find out if you want to use the clutch to shift while in the air or not use it i prefer to use it. It just seems easier imo.
bigwndw66 08-20-2008, 12:31 PM I think I'll shift in without the clutch, because that's the only way that I shift. Trying something new while trying something new isn't a good idea:ohmy I don't think.
NGS1022 09-30-2008, 11:09 PM I got an 08 gixxer1000, i know you're not supposed to look at the tach for wheelies but what rpm REALLY should I have it at and max out at to get it off the ground?Assuming i'm keeping my weight back that it.
Pinz0311 10-04-2008, 10:44 PM i have a 08 gsxr 600 and i got it lowered. ive been trying to power wheelie it in first but havent been able to. ive been told that lowering the bike would not allow it to power wheelie i can only clutch wheelie it. any confirmation on this thanks...
Hot Chik on Stage 11-06-2008, 05:31 PM Great advise! Still not brave enough yet.....I'll take the stage in front of 50k poeple any day tho!
mconley1234 12-07-2008, 07:34 PM Thanks that helps alot.
deebee 01-11-2009, 05:51 PM done a few with out meaning to... tried clutching it in second but freaks the hell outa me. Just need more practice and to get used to the sound feel and power launch! but great article and i'll be trying 1st gear power wheelies tonight! thanks
Neosporin 01-11-2009, 07:04 PM but great article and i'll be trying 1st gear power wheelies tonight! thanks
Really? First gear should be restricted to lots (Or slow wheelies where you plan to use them) and used with a clutch. Looping is so much easier done with what you want to do.. Hope you have rear brake on lock.
deebee 01-11-2009, 07:38 PM Really? First gear should be restricted to lots (Or slow wheelies where you plan to use them) and used with a clutch. Looping is so much easier done with what you want to do.. Hope you have rear brake on lock.
so what the article mantions about coasting in 1st to your powerband then full throttle, you disagree with? any advice for this beginner??
golfingbumonagixxer 01-11-2009, 08:22 PM i can pwoer wheelie ( hitting the gas letting off and hitting it againg and ride out first gear ) and im learning to clucth but spin the tires more than wheelie. cna you shift from first to second without clutching?
deebee 01-11-2009, 08:31 PM i know in theory that you will have to. Once the clutch is pulled it would just drop down again. My bike wont shift with out the clutch but if i swapped to a synthetic oil it would do so.... but to the technique whilst on one wheel.... i'm lost there!
Neosporin 01-11-2009, 10:41 PM If your tire spins, you probably have cold tires.
1. Get in the staggered or standard stance. (I don't do sit downs)
2. Find a gear (2nd works). If you don't have brake on lock, I would probably stay off 1st.
3. Get into the powerband.
4. Clutch/blip/bounce/lean back all at the same time.
Staggereds are a bit easier to do and a bit more comfortable. Since your foot is on the passenger peg you get a more stand up feeling and once you get use to it you'll feel that you'll have more control over your bike.. Which you do.
When you clutch up, you'll want to blip the throttle. Also, bouncing helps a lot. You have to do it all simitaniously in one motion, but once you get it, you'll wonder why you couldn't do it from the beginning. It takes practice, but your bike will come up by clutch with no problem. You can clutch your bike up in 3rd as well. Just have to commit to it and practice at it.
Once you get it, you won't need to shift. Shoot straight to balance and cruise.
cpeezygsxr600 01-26-2009, 11:26 AM my 05 gsxr 600 is lowered does that make it harder for me to get the bike up?
4G63AWD 02-18-2009, 11:33 AM yes thank you so much...i was also trying to just pull up from like 4k with the clutch and i wasnt going anywhere...when it gets warm ill re-read and try it out...thanks again
ohwongixxer750 02-27-2009, 03:35 AM been going to this site for years now, finally figured i'd join ha. so anyway wheelies, finally got to doing clutch up 2nd gear sit downs and can ride it out on bp at the end of last riding season but after seeing this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKUwogOKkDg&feature=related i'm wondering what the hell he did wrong. looks like he got up smooth but then shit hits the fan. i'm riding them around 50mph i'd say and i feel pretty stable and i've only ridden them on straight roads. looks like he was going too slow, wasn't stable, and was pure rider error by shifting his weight. i guess what am getting at is that this shouldn't happen to me if i'm not a dumbass and shifting my weight radically and i'm not wheelin in a tornado?
09Gixxer750 05-20-2009, 11:22 PM Ive tried this on my 03' 600 and nothing. Any suggestions? Its not happening.
Yeah read the article again. GET YOUR NUTZ OFF THE FUEL TANK.
do wheelie's create flat-spots on your front tire?
i have noticed odd wear on my front, and i like to show off on 1 wheel evry now & again
Incantation 12-15-2009, 08:11 PM if you are setting down at high speed they will make tiny ones, yea. nothing really worth worrying about if you do one here and there. but if you do em often and fast you might feel your handlebars pulse a bit after setting down too many of em. change your tire. my front ended up bein so fucked i couldn't take my hands off the wheel without it wanting to start a slapper
if you are setting down at high speed they will make tiny ones, yea. nothing really worth worrying about if you do one here and there. but if you do em often and fast you might feel your handlebars pulse a bit after setting down too many of em. change your tire. my front ended up bein so fucked i couldn't take my hands off the wheel without it wanting to start a slapper
yeah it has a lot of uneven wear. and i do get slappers all the time
esmith45 02-16-2010, 03:18 AM Great post thanks!
600gsxrk8bris 04-06-2010, 08:21 AM This summer i just started geting stand ups dialed, one thing i found i was doing REALLY wrong was putting my left foot on the passenger peg and putting the peg under the toe of my foot. my buddy told me to put the peg under the arch of my foot and that stabalised everything straight away. Made a huge differnence. i found stand ups so easy compared to siting, so much more control and you can see in front of you!!
600gsxrk8bris 04-06-2010, 08:38 AM those high speed wheelies look really intense. At 5.01 that looks really fast, that would have to have a smaller margin for error than a first gear stand up. it all happens so much quicker it seems.
spivy66 04-26-2010, 08:04 AM Knight2211/ALL
Ok so i'lv been riding for 7 years now ( 02 1k gsxr) and never really did wheelis because i was afraid to flip the bike.I consider myself a good rider, but like i said to to big on wheelies, I mean i did little roll ons but never held it more then 2-3 sec. Anyway i was determine to learn and told myself stop being a pu##y and just do it. So this past weekend i went to a empty parking lot with all my gear ( leathers gloves helmet) and start praticing cluching in 2nd. I have very good throttle control when both wheels are on the ground but not so much on one wheel. Ok so it was going ok i was getting up the wheel higher and higher each time clutching in 2nd at around 15mph. Long story short I LOOPED her and landed on my a$$ i have a nice cherry to say the least and the last two nights sucked. The bike is fine i rode it home and bent back a few things to make it ridable. I need plastics and really need a real cowl.haha pic is below.I should i read a very important line before i tryied wheelieing....KNIGHT2211 you hit it on the head when you said "You want to lock your legs down on the bike so that, as she starts to come up, you don't pull back on the bars to 'hold on', which could possibly cause you to open up the gas more than you want to". PLEASE CONSIDER THE ABOVE WHEN YOU TRY TO WHEELIE!! with that said i know i need to get back on the bike and start wheelie again otherwise i'll never do it and be afraid again.. I did want to buy a 12 o'clock bar for a little help, i mean i know i can still loop it with it on but i figured it might help a little?
Guys and thoughts advise on the above??
GetMitchOrDiTryn 05-04-2010, 02:33 PM +1 on this. definitely works for 1st gear power
Mr. Frosty11 05-04-2010, 02:36 PM superman wheelie 101 next? :)
Jsancpd 11-18-2010, 01:23 PM Great post. went out today in this beautiful weather we're having here today in NY 55 degrees lol..... anyways, went out today went for a little ride for 10-15mins to warm up my tires and then came around my block to try some power wheelies. I didn't think my 750 would pick up so much but amazingling it did.
1st try didn't go anywhere
2nd try went up too high for confort but as soon as I let go of the throttle I came right back down without having to use the back break.
3rd keep getting up little by little, so I guess I just have to keep practicing until I get used to the feeling and then I'll practice my throttle control to hold it up for a little.
Jigga600 02-10-2011, 02:23 AM great write up.... almost exactly how I learned to do my first...., ah em, second wheelie
brownman82 03-30-2011, 12:54 AM great indepth post all good advice......
raskull 06-05-2011, 01:17 AM I've been going out and practicing my wheelies off and on, and I'm starting to get comfy with holding them longer and longer.
I started off with little 1st gear power wheelies, let off the throttle for a split second at 8k rpm, and then open up full throttle and it will come right up... but I found I had to be fairly violent on the throttle to make it happen at first. From there I got more and more comfortable with it, and found it will come up easier and easier.. It has everything to do with your body not doing those survival reactions and putting your weight in the right place.
After I had gotten ok at those, I switched to trying to learn how to clutch up. I started off just getting the feel of pulling the clutch with one finger quickly and revving it to about 12k in 2nd gear from about 6k. Just to get some muscle memory going, and to hear what it sounded like.
After that I slowly started releasing the clutch at 10-12k to get the front end light. It was a struggle at first to not chop the throttle, as it comes up way faster than a power wheelie.. but once I got the hang of it, I would basically rev with lots of throttle, then instinctively let off a bit as it's rising, and then get back on the throttle as it gets higher.. once you hold it for a bit and it's coming down, you give it more throttle to ease the landing. It's like.. On for revs -> off a bit for looping protection as it rises -> on again to finish the rise and get close to bp -> stable throttle for balance -> on for landing.
My bike is pretty much brand new (couple months old, under 5k km), and I almost felt like I was thrashing it too hard for my liking.. so I switched to 1st gear clutch ups so I could do it at a much lower speed and rpm.. I can now very comfortable clutch up starting from 6k, revving to 8-9k and I can hold it until the red line most times if I want to.
The next step will be learning to stay at the balance point and switching into 2nd/3rd while up there.
If you take your time, don't rush it, and stick to your own pace, it's not hard. **Please DO NOT EVER WHEELIE BECAUSE SOMEONE IS WATCHING*** Your judgement is clouded, you'll make hasty moves to try to "get the wheelie up in the right place, so they can see", etc.. It just stifles your concentration, and you will make mistakes. Make it a rule not to wheelie in front of other people until you're very good at it.
I've got a long ways to go, but I'm learning quick. :)
Dchen0327 10-29-2011, 12:03 PM This is my first post but I'm excited about picking my front tire off the ground today twice. I've read a few posts before going out and trying it. I'm new to the stunting world.
I performed a 1st gear power wheelie. I'm planning on taking my time but am excited about the whole adventure.
Slim_321 10-29-2011, 02:29 PM What is the best method of pulling a wheelie on a BUSA?
tyler
twist your wrist..:scratch:wtf
it's a busa for god shakes!
GixxerNH2012 04-03-2012, 01:57 PM Nice piece, I've successfully pulled off one clutch in 1st wheelie going up a slight grade. I can't seem to get the clutch wheelie to work anymore. So then I figured out how to pop it up by doing about +-15mph, letting the RPM's hit about 5-6k, rolling off then on real quick. I am anxious to try your methods here to see if they work. I just need to figure out where that power band is, sit back a touch and just let 'er rip. The one thing that killed me when reading your post is, what the heck is &? I feel stupid asking that as it clearly shows the squiddy in me LOL
01gt4.6 05-06-2012, 08:38 PM I can't get my L1 750 to come up much by just twisting the throttle. I sit upright and I've tried it between 5k & 6500, slamming the throttle all the way back, it comes up a little but not enough.
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