wassup guys, newbie here. i just passed the msf course and now am licensed. :cheers .my cousin has a ridin crew in nyc and 1 of the members is sellin his bike to get a hayabusa. here are the stats its a 2002 gsxr 1000, it has 50000 miles( thats what makes me nervous) has all the bells and wistles..guy maintains the bike well. he is a cop who travels from long island to brooklyn 5 days a week. thats the reason for the high miles.. he wants 2500.. bike is prestine.. what ya think

take it for 2000. That thing is on its last leg. plus it'll give you sometihgn to throw around and not worry about damages too much. Plus, you'll learn a thing or two working on it. the thing is probably losing compression and the clutch is probably slipping, so the power won't be too overwhelming =)

Buahahahhaah, 5000 miles is on its last leg :wtf

That is a good price for sure.
On the other hand, it is a bit much bike for a new rider. The bike wont kill you, you will if you dont respect it. Good luck with that.

Alot of people put more miles than that riding ONLY on sundays in a YEAR. I know I can EASILY put that on a street bike in a year and a half primarily riding on weekends.

Hell my 01 race bike had 7000 RACE miles, and still pulled like an ox for a 600, and dynoed at 109 RWHP on race fuel

50,000 Joe, not 5000.

Oh, LOL.......... :hammer

:lol5,000 is what I thought at first too, and was like :wtf
You're worried about a good month's worth of miles, but you're not worried about getting a 1000 as your first bike?
Then someone said "its on its last leg" and I'm thinkin "it sure is funny when a squid replies to a squid to boost each other's egos"
:lol
Makes more sense now, except for the part about it being a 1000 and you just passed the MSF and got your license.

im a 33 year old married father of 2 truck driver..i have a cdl to protect its my job..so i am not gonna be one of those goin nuts on the street.you sayin the bike is gonna die anyday now? my cuz has been ridin for ike 15 years and he test drove it and said that it is alive and well

im a 33 year old married father of 2 truck driver..i have a cdl to protect its my job..so i am not gonna be one of those goin nuts on the street.you sayin the bike is gonna die anyday now? my cuz has been ridin for ike 15 years and he test drove it and said that it is alive and well
"Mature and Responsible" can't save ya if you don't have the skill and experience to control a bike like that. A GSXR 1000 does not forgive you of your mistakes, no matter how small. :nono

50K is alot of miles but for $2K its worth it. you can but a used motor for $600 if this one craps out on you. the main journals are most definatly worn and it may need the valves reseated, if it hasn't already been done. check the steering bearings and wheel bearings. ask when the fork oil was changed and the rear shock serviced. tensioner probably also needs servicing. the reat of the motor is probobly fine because the 01-02 motor is built pretty tuff.

I'd say the bike is worth the price.. If you had the money I would say get the bike and make it a winter project (replace engine with good known one) and take it apart and do any service it needs. Now go and get something that's not super fast bike and learn to ride.. If you were to make a simple over revand slam second gear by mistake you will be in big trouble with the 1000!! A smaller engine beginner bike would most likely buck a little and keep going.. Once the rebuild is done on the gixxer you can probably sell the other bike for what you paid to buy it..

If you only have the money to afford the purchase of the gixxer 1000, then don't get it because it will have problems down the road with the mileage..

did i mention i know the dude and how he treated the bike..

No you haven't mentioned that. But you did in fact mention that you're breaking the cardinal rule of basic intelligence by considering a Gixxer 1000 for your first bike.

Don't be fucking stupid just so you can fit in with that "crew" you speak of.

Don't listen to GSXRNUB or whatever his name is. 50K miles is NOT a lot of miles.
It's like saying I've got a big dick. Sure, my 7" is a LOT compared to the three you pack, but seriously, it's just average. :P

lol, that was funny...yo ,i dont care about fitting in that crowd, lol..im to old for that shit..lol. just think the deal is a nice one...i may be buying my wife like a ninja 500r or something..i may practice on that.

I 1000 is not the bike for someone that just got their license. If you think it's a good deal, then buy it and turn around and sell it to some poor schlep and make some money off them. Either way a liter bike is not the bike to be learning your skills on.

50K is alot of miles but for $2K its worth it. you can but a used motor for $600 if this one craps out on you. the main journals are most definatly worn and it may need the valves reseated, if it hasn't already been done. check the steering bearings and wheel bearings. ask when the fork oil was changed and the rear shock serviced. tensioner probably also needs servicing. the reat of the motor is probobly fine because the 01-02 motor is built pretty tuff.
+1

Now that's the kind of advice that should have been posted up front on this thread/question. Simply throwing your leg over the bike and taking it for a ride -- while feeling obvious problems -- isn't going to tell you the real wear/tear of 50k miles. M/Cs wear out quicker than cars do, plain and simple fact. If the motor is "on it's last leg" you can replace it for a lot less than having it rebuilt by a local shop. While I think 1k is too big as a 1st bike (i graduated from 550, to 750, to 1340, and added a 2nd 1100 recently), it sounds as if it might be a good deal. Take it to a local stealership and have a tech look at it. Ground truth is all that'll come out of that. Might cost you $40 or so, but worth the peace of mind if you're intent on getting this particular bike.

Get a 250.

buy it for 2k, part whats good on the motor out, and buy an early model fuel injected 600cc motor, it still won't be the best bike to start on, but its a damn good deal....but leaving the 1000 motor in could be bad for your health if it's your first ride

I think that for 2k that is more than fair for a project bike

No you haven't mentioned that. But you did in fact mention that you're breaking the cardinal rule of basic intelligence by considering a Gixxer 1000 for your first bike.

Don't be fucking stupid just so you can fit in with that "crew" you speak of.

Don't listen to GSXRNUB or whatever his name is. 50K miles is NOT a lot of miles.
It's like saying I've got a big dick. Sure, my 7" is a LOT compared to the three you pack, but seriously, it's just average. :P

You're kidding right?:rolleyes Whatever.. Oh, wait you're the only one who seems to think that 50,000 miles is not a lot of miles for a sport bike.:lol If we were talking about a car, sure that would be great mileage for the year. I'm sure the bike was ridden every day to rack up those miles, but those miles mean that you will be having expensive repairs shortly!!:flipoff

You're just jealous my 01 1000 only has 4,153km on it.. :)

new rider + 150hp/2 wheels = crazy repercussions

maybe ill buy it and trade it for a 600....

You're kidding right?:rolleyes Whatever.. Oh, wait you're the only one who seems to think that 50,000 miles is not a lot of miles for a sport bike.:lol If we were talking about a car, sure that would be great mileage for the year. I'm sure the bike was ridden every day to rack up those miles, but those miles mean that you will be having expensive repairs shortly!!:flipoff

You're just jealous my 01 1000 only has 4,153km on it.. :)
I put 30k on my 96 750 in the course of 2.5 years. I ride with a guy with 120k miles on his 98 RF900. I purchased my bike to ride, not to pose on. My room mate put 25k miles on his R6 the first year he had it. Had it not been for a low side that totaled the bike it would probably have close to 40k on it by now.

I feel sorry for your 01, that averages out to a whopping 500 miles a year. I do that on a Saturday.

I put 30k on my 96 750 in the course of 2.5 years. I ride with a guy with 120k miles on his 98 RF900. I purchased my bike to ride, not to pose on. My room mate put 25k miles on his R6 the first year he had it. Had it not been for a low side that totaled the bike it would probably have close to 40k on it by now.

I feel sorry for your 01, that averages out to a whopping 500 miles a year. I do that on a Saturday.

Blah, Blah, Blah... arguing over who is right and wrong over an opinion is a waste of BuCwiLd's time.

BuCwiLd, the problem with a 1k is that it is much easier to make a mistake. The more power a bike has, the more careful you have to be. I slight slip of the wrist on a 600 can cause you to wreck very easily...I slight slip on a 1k can make you crash even easier. Either way, you can limit the chances by keeping the RPM's down (under 6000 you should have to worry too much). This does not mean you shouldn't be careful.

Secondly, 50,000 miles is a good amount for a bike...in part because most bikes are wrecked before they have that many miles. If the engine has not been abused (ragged on and/or improperly serviced), it may be just fine.

what scares me is that you are gettin one hell of a bike for your first bike.

I put 30k on my 96 750 in the course of 2.5 years. I ride with a guy with 120k miles on his 98 RF900. I purchased my bike to ride, not to pose on. My room mate put 25k miles on his R6 the first year he had it. Had it not been for a low side that totaled the bike it would probably have close to 40k on it by now.

I feel sorry for your 01, that averages out to a whopping 500 miles a year. I do that on a Saturday.

I also bought the bike to ride and enjoy.. I didn't buy the bike new as I picked it up last week. I plan on riding the crap out of it and I don't care about mileage. It has low mileage, that means it has more life for me to ride the crap out of it.

But to the original poster 5000 or 50,000 miles, the bike is too much for you. I'm not saying this because I don't want you to have the most powerful/ performance bike.. It's because there's a lot to learn about riding a bike. When I first started riding years ago I was sloppy and not the best ridder, you could be the next pro rider, but start with the basics. A smaller lower powered bike is where you need to be.. Yes, for the price it's a good deal, but for your level, it's not a good bike for you..

... the bike is too much for you. I'm not saying this because I don't want you to have the most powerful/ performance bike.. It's because there's a lot to learn about riding a bike. When I first started riding years ago I was sloppy and not the best ridder, you could be the next pro rider, but start with the basics. A smaller lower powered bike is where you need to be.. Yes, for the price it's a good deal, but for your level, it's not a good bike for you.
+1 :nono

what scares me is that you are gettin one hell of a bike for your first bike.

yes i'd say that the k1/k2 gixxer 1000's are fuckin unbelievably powerful and just as much powerful as unforgiving....so its a scary thought as a first bike, because who would pass up a deal like that

whoa, hold up people, have you guys ridden a k1/k2?

i own one, first bike, been on it for two years now and i have been down, but not because of the throttle.

theres a throttle lag on the bike, unless you completely stupid and twist the throttle and hold it there, its not ap roblem, this is because you're not running at peak power, daily riding will have you between 3-4k rpm on the bike. Throttle response is not great there, twist it, it'll bog for half a second then get going, depending on where you're at on the rpm range. thats real world. its not an 05, its an 02. also, whats the peak power at 4krpm? yes, exactly, not the same as at 8krpm. Why ride in 3-4krpm and not the rest of it? because 4k is enough to get you around town unlike a 600.


Most accidents are not because of throttle control, its not being able to negotiate the situation at hand, braking when you shouldn't be... etc. Im' not an expert, and oyu can go ahead and call me a squid or whatever because i feel that a 1000 is alright as a first bike for some people.

BTW, this whole slip of the throttle shit, you guys need to learn how to sit properly on the bike, your arms arn't supposed to be locked, if a bump comes along, your throttle shouldn't move much if any at all.. learn to sit properly on your damned bikes.


my 2 cent is that it doesn't matter what you learn to ride on, its all about what you have in that head of yours and how well it uses that body you got.

flame on.

get it!!

whoa, hold up people, have you guys ridden a k1/k2?

i own one, first bike, been on it for two years now and i have been down, but not because of the throttle.

theres a throttle lag on the bike, unless you completely stupid and twist the throttle and hold it there, its not ap roblem, this is because you're not running at peak power, daily riding will have you between 3-4k rpm on the bike. Throttle response is not great there, twist it, it'll bog for half a second then get going, depending on where you're at on the rpm range. thats real world. its not an 05, its an 02. also, whats the peak power at 4krpm? yes, exactly, not the same as at 8krpm. Why ride in 3-4krpm and not the rest of it? because 4k is enough to get you around town unlike a 600.


Most accidents are not because of throttle control, its not being able to negotiate the situation at hand, braking when you shouldn't be... etc. Im' not an expert, and oyu can go ahead and call me a squid or whatever because i feel that a 1000 is alright as a first bike for some people.

BTW, this whole slip of the throttle shit, you guys need to learn how to sit properly on the bike, your arms arn't supposed to be locked, if a bump comes along, your throttle shouldn't move much if any at all.. learn to sit properly on your damned bikes.


my 2 cent is that it doesn't matter what you learn to ride on, its all about what you have in that head of yours and how well it uses that body you got.

flame on.
Yeah. I'm sure NOBODY here besides you has ridden a 1000 cc motorcycle. Everyone is a damn retard with NO experience whatsoever. Only the noobs know what they're doing. :rolleyes

Yeah. I'm sure NOBODY here besides you has ridden a 1000 cc motorcycle. Everyone is a damn retard with NO experience whatsoever. Only the noobs know what they're doing. :rolleyes

i wasn't even gonna respond to him, but what u said pretty much sums up what i woulda said, well put av;)

i wasn't even gonna respond to him, but what u said pretty much sums up what i woulda said, well put av;):lol
Well dontcha know, our advice means nothing cuz we've been doing it all wrong for all these years. If we all would've learned how to fuckin ride properly rather than just posin we'd be able to give some valuable advice once in a while, not just talk outta our ass.
We shoulda taken lessons from AntzPoopy, maybe we wouldn't be such piles of shit when it comes to bikes. :thumbup

:wacko

:lol
Well dontcha know, our advice means nothing cuz we've been doing it all wrong for all these years. If we all would've learned how to fuckin ride properly rather than just posin we'd be able to give some valuable advice once in a while, not just talk outta our ass.
We shoulda taken lessons from AntzPoopy, maybe we wouldn't be such piles of shit when it comes to bikes. :thumbup

:wacko

haha ye AntzPoopy is going nowhere fast, other than the grave yard at his rate....maybe he can be saved, maybe not...it's up to him....but if i hadn't given out too much rep in the past 24hours i'd give you pos. rep av and a big neg. rep to antz because he's got it all wrong:rolleyes , its just too bad you got people like that out there giving out that kinda advice...like i said, the K1/K2 1000's in stock form are LETHAL machines and not good to have as a first ride....but shit Antzpoopy knows it all...what do i know, i've only been down a few times and know what it's like to feel the bike bite you when u least expect it:wacko

BTW thanks for the rep AV...i'll send some your way when my 24 hours is up:biggrin

maybe ill buy it and trade it for a 600....

Good idea. Buy the bike, unload it ASAP, and get an older (pre-98) 600 or an SV. You sound like you're just in it for a good time, and smaller bikes will definitely provide that.

i didn't say i know everything. its kind of funny how the forum is so quick to judge. Look i got bad rep. WEeEe. shit boys, calm your balls. I never said your advice is wrong or anyhting of the sort.

i asked you if you rode a k1/k2, not if you've ridden a 1000cc bike. it was more geared towards the comment i had afterwards about the throttle... did you actually read my post?

i like how all of you skewed what i said? something like that, when did i say what you said was wrong? i just voiced my opinion on the topic because i feel as if this is far to one sided. I feel this guy has a brain ontop of his shoulder and will be able to decide what is best for himself.

Talk about gang rape, and folks, riding position, using your back and not resting on your locked elbows, try it, it'll keep you from twisting your throttle mid turn when u hit a bump, its amazing.

How about you re-read what i said and don't be so headstrong about what i wrote and maybe some of it makes some sense. I said for some people.

BTW, sorry about this flame, but i gotta flame back, some of you are pretty closed minded huh? I never disregarded what anyone said, i just expressed my opinion. I never said that what other people said was wrong. Don't know where some people got that idea from. Maybe some people here are narrow minded and are not open to opposing views. Its amazing how quickly you guys start name calling and saying i'm heading towards the grave. WOW.

Then again, maybe i should've expected that from the immature batch on this forum.

Guys... Calm your balls.

(Excuse the grammar and shit, its late and i don't feel like proof reading this shit for you idiots who have nothing better to do than to flame)

I guess the main thing I would be worried about is telling a person who just finished their msf course that it's ok to throw a leg over a 1000cc bike. And yes, the guy seems to have a lot going for him and shows initiative in posting on this forum and asking for advice. The average punk would have just bought the bike and not even ask experienced people. I've been riding since '84 and have seen all kinds of people, level headed or not, do this 1000cc thing for a first bike and then not survive. I don't want to tell the guy that has all that going for him that it's ok, go ahead and get the 1k and then hear that he rear ended a dump truck and died. One of the things that is included in throttle control is the ability to SHUT the throttle down during an emergency and get on the brakes quickly. Then brake control takes over, which is another subject only experience teaches you. Talking about emergencies, compared to a later model 1k, the older ones were a little heavier and bigger. Wouldn't be easier on a newb to handle something physically smaller? Those are some of the reasons why I would not recommend that bike for him, plus I don't want his wife and kid on my conscience.

Sorry for the long winded post.

p.s. riding with your elbows unlocked will not prevent you from opening your throttle by mistake. Adjusting your throttle freeplay in combination with your posture will.

i didn't say i know everything. its kind of funny how the forum is so quick to judge. Look i got bad rep. WEeEe. shit boys, calm your balls. I never said your advice is wrong or anyhting of the sort.

i asked you if you rode a k1/k2, not if you've ridden a 1000cc bike. it was more geared towards the comment i had afterwards about the throttle... did you actually read my post?

i like how all of you skewed what i said? something like that, when did i say what you said was wrong? i just voiced my opinion on the topic because i feel as if this is far to one sided. I feel this guy has a brain ontop of his shoulder and will be able to decide what is best for himself.

Talk about gang rape, and folks, riding position, using your back and not resting on your locked elbows, try it, it'll keep you from twisting your throttle mid turn when u hit a bump, its amazing.

How about you re-read what i said and don't be so headstrong about what i wrote and maybe some of it makes some sense. I said for some people.

BTW, sorry about this flame, but i gotta flame back, some of you are pretty closed minded huh? I never disregarded what anyone said, i just expressed my opinion. I never said that what other people said was wrong. Don't know where some people got that idea from. Maybe some people here are narrow minded and are not open to opposing views. Its amazing how quickly you guys start name calling and saying i'm heading towards the grave. WOW.

Then again, maybe i should've expected that from the immature batch on this forum.

Guys... Calm your balls.

(Excuse the grammar and shit, its late and i don't feel like proof reading this shit for you idiots who have nothing better to do than to flame)
:rolleyes
whoa, hold up people, have you guys ridden a k1/k2?
How is that not questioning if anyone else has ridden a 1000 cc bike? :wait


theres a throttle lag on the bike, unless you completely stupid and twist the throttle and hold it there, its not ap roblem
This is assuming an inexperienced noob KNOWS what twisting the throttle is all about. Skill and experience are required to control the throttle in all situations, not just will power. :rolleyes


daily riding will have you between 3-4k rpm on the bike. Throttle response is not great there, twist it, it'll bog for half a second then get going, depending on where you're at on the rpm range. thats real world. its not an 05, its an 02. also, whats the peak power at 4krpm? yes, exactly, not the same as at 8krpm. Why ride in 3-4krpm and not the rest of it? because 4k is enough to get you around town unlike a 600.
So you're "knowledge" is based on not riding the 1k at its potential? Open that bitch up past 9k rpm once, then re-evaluate if that is something that should be left in the hands of a noob. :wacko Saying that riding at 4K rpm is not gonna be a problem is like putting a brand new aviation student at controls of a 747 and saying he'll be alright as long as he never leaves the runway.
What do you expect a 1k rider to do with the other 8k rpm and the other 5 gears?:scratch
Oh, wait! Maybe a smaller, more forgiving bike is the answer. :ohmy




Most accidents are not because of throttle control, its not being able to negotiate the situation at hand, braking when you shouldn't be... etc. Im' not an expert, and oyu can go ahead and call me a squid or whatever because i feel that a 1000 is alright as a first bike for some people.
Exactly right. So why should a noob be on the bike that is LEAST FORGIVING of the mistakes in which you speak about?

BTW, this whole slip of the throttle shit, you guys need to learn how to sit properly on the bike, your arms arn't supposed to be locked, if a bump comes along, your throttle shouldn't move much if any at all.. learn to sit properly on your damned bikes.
Explain again how this quote is not discrediting everyone's advice? You act like no one on this site understands throttle control. :lol


flame on.
:squid :squid :squid :squid

handle something smaller? how much lighter is a 600 vs a 1000? 10 pounds? 15 pounds? Theres not too much of a difference.

IMO, its not being able to handle a situation, not because of the throttle that got hte person in trouble. Its not beign able to close it and brake? Its going into a turn too hot, you'd do that on a 600 just as easily as you would a 1000. Just because a person owns a 1000 doesn't mean he WOT that thing 24/7. If you ride a 1000 like you would a 600, yes that owuld be a problem, its like driving a SUV the same way you'd drive a sports car.

but i do agree with you diel11 on most of your points. i just don't think sitting on a 1000 is much different than sitting on a 600. They're both equally dangerous. Getting to go fast isn't the dangerous part, its not being able to stop that gets people in trouble.

honestly, i want to know how many people lost their bike in a turn because they hit a bump and twisted the throttle or something along the lines. because that seems the basis of the argument against a 1000 from what i've seen.

what, a 1000 gets you to speed quicker? So? and your point is? Getting to speed quicker isn't getting the person flying off the bike, off the cliff, its the fact that he's going those speeds, and a 600 will get you there regardless.

I don't have any statistics to back it up, but from what i've seen, accidents occur because of another vehicle, or a person not being able to negotiate a turn, either braking in the turn and going wide or dumping it because they don't have the knowledge/balls to turn the bike over. I haven't seen anyone eat shit accelerating down that striaght away or accelerating through that turn.

go ahead and enlighten me if i'm wrong on some points, reminder, i am open minded unlike a lot of people around here.

Chillywaters - I'm giving out all the bad advice? are you saying a 600 is a leathal weapon as well? I think a chopper is more lethal, more weight = more momentum when going speeds, especially on smaller front tires and brakes. Weapon you say? I don't think we use this vehicles to cause destruction. If thats the way you look at it, you have it all wrong. I'm not telling everyone to go out and buy a 1000, i'm enlightening people on the fact that its not the 1000 who is killing people, its the people getting that 1000s. People who come here for consult on whether they should buy one have more of a level head than teh person who goes and buys one because he and his peers think its cool. Those are the ones who get in trouble.. shit they probably don't even read these forums. You automatically stereotype that every new rider is an irresponsible person by saying that a 1000 is too much. Maybe its too much for you, maybe its too much for the next guy, maybe its not too much for him. Yes, maybe telling every new person who comes along that a 1000 is too much, but thats diverting his attention away from the real cause of accidents. Makes him think its juts the throttle and not the brakes, not the cornering, not the other cars. A lot of the people who get into accidents on 1000s would've gotten into those accidents on a 600. Ever look at it that way? Unfortunately, 1000s attract some of the worse people and thats why it gives it such a bad name.

:rolleyes

How is that not questioning if anyone else has ridden a 1000 cc bike? :wait




I'm question whether people have personally ridden a 2001 or 2002, not a 1000. Its to see how many people know how the bike handles, the nitty picky of year itself.



So you're "knowledge" is based on not riding the 1k at its potential? Open that bitch up past 9k rpm once, then re-evaluate if that is something that should be left in the hands of a noob. :wacko Saying that riding at 4K rpm is not gonna be a problem is like putting a brand new aviation student at controls of a 747 and saying he'll be alright as long as he never leaves the runway.
What do you expect a 1k rider to do with the other 8k rpm and the other 5 gears?:scratch
Oh, wait! Maybe a smaller, more forgiving bike is the answer. :ohmy


just because you can doesn't mean you have to. you're on city streets, not the track, why do you HAVE to open her up? just because you hvae to run a 600 up the rpm range to get power, doesn't mean you have to do the same on a 1000. you get the same power in the lower rpm band. With that said, you're not using it to its potential, no, not 24/7. And i doubt you do that with your 600 unless you're a fatass. (No i'm not calling you one)
You're comparing apples and oranges with the aviation and the bike.
Its like driving a lambo around, just because you can go fast doens't mean you go fast. You can once in a while, but you're not about to every time you hop on. Something called self control? i guess a noob doesn't have that because he's what you call a noob? he's another human being. Just because you might not have had self control when u jumped on a bike doesn't mean someone else is going to be in teh same boat as you. If you have had self control when u jumped on a bike, then what is it to say that someone else doesn't?


Exactly right. So why should a noob be on the bike that is LEAST FORGIVING of the mistakes in which you speak about


least forgiving on the mistakes i speak about? how is it less forgiving when we're not talking about the throttle? I think any motorcycle is unforgiving midturn when u slam on the brakes. shit a 600 will screw you over as fast a 1000 and you all disregard that fact.

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What do you expect a 1k rider to do with the other 8k rpm and the other 5 gears?:scratch

:squid :squid :squid :squid


Exactly, the temptation is there. The mindset is, "its there" so I "gotta know what its like"



then they get hurt, or die.


How do you control that?? -smaller bike.

handle something smaller? how much lighter is a 600 vs a 1000? 10 pounds? 15 pounds? Theres not too much of a difference.

IMO, its not being able to handle a situation, not because of the throttle that got hte person in trouble. Its not beign able to close it and brake? Its going into a turn too hot, you'd do that on a 600 just as easily as you would a 1000. Just because a person owns a 1000 doesn't mean he WOT that thing 24/7. If you ride a 1000 like you would a 600, yes that owuld be a problem, its like driving a SUV the same way you'd drive a sports car.

but i do agree with you diel11 on most of your points. i just don't think sitting on a 1000 is much different than sitting on a 600. They're both equally dangerous. Getting to go fast isn't the dangerous part, its not being able to stop that gets people in trouble.

honestly, i want to know how many people lost their bike in a turn because they hit a bump and twisted the throttle or something along the lines. because that seems the basis of the argument against a 1000 from what i've seen.

what, a 1000 gets you to speed quicker? So? and your point is? Getting to speed quicker isn't getting the person flying off the bike, off the cliff, its the fact that he's going those speeds, and a 600 will get you there regardless.

I don't have any statistics to back it up, but from what i've seen, accidents occur because of another vehicle, or a person not being able to negotiate a turn, either braking in the turn and going wide or dumping it because they don't have the knowledge/balls to turn the bike over. I haven't seen anyone eat shit accelerating down that striaght away or accelerating through that turn.

go ahead and enlighten me if i'm wrong on some points, reminder, i am open minded unlike a lot of people around here.

Chillywaters - I'm giving out all the bad advice? are you saying a 600 is a leathal weapon as well? I think a chopper is more lethal, more weight = more momentum when going speeds, especially on smaller front tires and brakes. Weapon you say? I don't think we use this vehicles to cause destruction. If thats the way you look at it, you have it all wrong. I'm not telling everyone to go out and buy a 1000, i'm enlightening people on the fact that its not the 1000 who is killing people, its the people getting that 1000s. People who come here for consult on whether they should buy one have more of a level head than teh person who goes and buys one because he and his peers think its cool. Those are the ones who get in trouble.. shit they probably don't even read these forums. You automatically stereotype that every new rider is an irresponsible person by saying that a 1000 is too much. Maybe its too much for you, maybe its too much for the next guy, maybe its not too much for him. Yes, maybe telling every new person who comes along that a 1000 is too much, but thats diverting his attention away from the real cause of accidents. Makes him think its juts the throttle and not the brakes, not the cornering, not the other cars. A lot of the people who get into accidents on 1000s would've gotten into those accidents on a 600. Ever look at it that way? Unfortunately, 1000s attract some of the worse people and thats why it gives it such a bad name.

you are a complete idiot, and i've got a broken hand so i'm not gonna waste my time responding to your dumb ass comments:squid

I'm question whether people have personally ridden a 2001 or 2002, not a 1000. Its to see how many people know how the bike handles, the nitty picky of year itself.

Ok, I'll play this game since I have the bike in discussion and it is very large, heavy and has a lot of power. It may not be the most powerfull bike, but it can get you in trouble before you know it.

just because you can doesn't mean you have to. you're on city streets, not the track, why do you HAVE to open her up? just because you hvae to run a 600 up the rpm range to get power, doesn't mean you have to do the same on a 1000. you get the same power in the lower rpm band. With that said, you're not using it to its potential, no, not 24/7. And i doubt you do that with your 600 unless you're a fatass. (No i'm not calling you one)
You're comparing apples and oranges with the aviation and the bike.
Its like driving a lambo around, just because you can go fast doens't mean you go fast. You can once in a while, but you're not about to every time you hop on. Something called self control? i guess a noob doesn't have that because he's what you call a noob? he's another human being. Just because you might not have had self control when u jumped on a bike doesn't mean someone else is going to be in teh same boat as you. If you have had self control when u jumped on a bike, then what is it to say that someone else doesn't?

I'll side with you that there's no reason to open it WOT on the streets. However, with a much faster bike will put you over your skill level in a second. This is where new people who haven't grown in on slower bikes will have problems. On a 250/ 400/ 600 etc.. You have to make the bike do those speeds. Where on a GSX-R 1000 K1/ K2 you will be there instantly with just a little too much gas.

Apples and oranges, no not really. We're talking about a high speed/ high power motorcycle vs a not so fast one with less power. Try this comparison, would you think it would be ok for 70+ year old ladies driving 700- 800hp muscle cars? They should be fine to drive, after all they have more driving experiance!! I didn't think you would agree that it's a good idea..

Sure, he's a noob and so were all of us at one time. That's how and why we are telling him to consider getting something that won't be so harsh when he makes a mistake. Only actual riding time will provide you with the skills and controls needed to really ride a motorcycle. I magine what would happen if the throttle was rev'ed too high during a gear shift (common with new riders) and the clutch was released??? I'm assuming one of 2 things could happen a) the bike stands up 12 o'clock and throws him off, or the sudden rush of the unknown super band kicks in and he pushed backwards and just manages to throttle the piss out of it until he hits something. Sure, it's possible on a now a day 600, but would require a lot more to get the same affect. Hence the reason why it's a greater idea to get a lower powered and more controlable bike.

Since we're talking about noobs here.. You say you've owned your bike for 2 years and you can ride it. It's not hard to ride the bike, but can you really RIDE the bike to it's full potential? I highly doubt it!!

IMO, its not being able to handle a situation, not because of the throttle that got hte person in trouble. Its not beign able to close it and brake? Its going into a turn too hot, you'd do that on a 600 just as easily as you would a 1000. Just because a person owns a 1000 doesn't mean he WOT that thing 24/7. If you ride a 1000 like you would a 600, yes that owuld be a problem, its like driving a SUV the same way you'd drive a sports car.

Wrong again, accelerate out of a corner like you would on a 600 with a 1000 and see where that lands you. Just a little bit too much throttle on a 1000 and down you go. WOT all the time isn't the problem, it's doing it when you didn't want it to happen, that's where it gets you in trouble.

what, a 1000 gets you to speed quicker? So? and your point is? Getting to speed quicker isn't getting the person flying off the bike, off the cliff, its the fact that he's going those speeds, and a 600 will get you there regardless.

Actually, it will send the person flying off the bike because you can get too speeds faster. You can drive a camry to 150mph, now go do the same thing in a high horse power sports car. From what you say it should be safe for anyone.. Go try it!!

Agghh.. I give up. So you bought a 1000 for a first bike.. wow, you're special.. Congrats and oh, good luck!!

Chillywaters, you're still wiht the name calling huh? funny.

Anyways,

GSXR600NUB - I agree with you on most of those points, i do. But i'm not speaking for everyone. Hell, each person makes their own decisions depending on their own situation. IMHO, i've never had a problem with my throttle, if i give it too much of it, i use my clutch to compensate. The throttle doesn't apply the power, the clutch does.
camry vs sports car? are we comparing 600s to 1000s? *scratches head*

And no, i can't use my bike to its full potential unless i'm on a straight, can you use your 600 to its full potential in a turn? i highly doubt it. if you could, you've be rich and on the podium.


This is getting off topic with the thread, but, children, whats with the name calling? have we not grown up yet?

Attacking me doesn't make your argument stronger. Anyone ever learn anything about debates?

if you throw garbage on a bike, garbage comes off a bike.

i'm done here. good luck to you too gsxr600nub, riding is dangerous, regardless of if its a 600 or a 1000. Period.

The comparison to a camry and a sports car is about power and instentanious power. This is where the problem is!! A 600 you have to push harder than a thousand, same theory with the 2 cars.

Anyone can get on a bike a floor it and run through the gears, not really that hard at all. What is hard is having a high amount of horsepower that can be relinquished with just a slight over acceleration. I can RIDE both the 600 and the 1000, but I never boasted that I was a racer..

Just because the 1000 worked out for you with not too many problems doesn't make a general concensus that it's a good bike for everyone.. I highly doubt that you are the first person to start on a 1000cc bike and be ok. Let's just assume that the average noob was inbetween sucky and an ok rider, without knowing their ability to ride the bike, it's a wise choice to steer them away from a potential hazard. Some people turn to riding as they see others do and assume it's cool without really taking in consideration the risks of what could happen in the event of an accident.

Just because one can afford the coolest/ fastest bike doesn't mean it's the ideal bike for them. I would give more props to a guy on any model lower powered bike if he/ she could ride the bike and maintain there ability than some guy who just walked out and bought the fastest coolest looking bike because he/ she thought it would attract the most attention. Even if it's a rusty ass Ninja 250, I give the props to them for endouring in the sport. It's not what you ride, it's how you can ride it!!

Let me ask you this, what made you choose the GSXR 1000 for your first bike? Was it because it was the coolest baddest thing in your price range? <- This is where we adopt the Squid terminology.. Out riding your capability/ skill level is just dangerous.

If I was afraid of riding I would've bought a barney the air baloon to jump around and play in.. And your right, 600 or 1000 both are dangerous! It's just a 1000 will put you in a dangerous perdicument tnat much faster!! <- the ultimate reason it's a terrible beginners bike.

don't buy a 1000 as your first bike if you have kids, do them the favor

I am not going to resort to name calling so don't worry...I understand what you are saying but I just want you to realize that just because you survived it doesn't mean that everyone else would. for example, you are in SoCal, so you get to ride your bike maybe 3 times as much as this guy in the northeast will. So your experience level will grow faster than his. That by itself will (hopefully) make you a better rider, more used to your 1k. Agree?

When I was talking about the difference between a 600 or a 1000, yeah, the difference might be 10 to 15 pounds of weight, but what's the power to weight ratio difference? How about the torque curve? I'm pretty sure you have ridden a 600 and then your 1000 and you can immediately tell the difference, even the physical size of the bike, especially with the way bikes were back in early 2000. Now if you are talking about the k5/k6, then yeah, feels just like a 600 physically.

I can leave a black stripe on the track with my 1000rr starting at around 6k rpm. With my wife's 600, more like 10,500 rpm. That by itself tells you a big difference on those two bikes.

I agree that both bikes are dangerous, but my point and the point of most people, including the "all mighty" magazine test riders is this... a 600 MIGHT get you in hot water, a 1000 WILL. You don't ride WFO, that's most likely the reason why you are still here. Can someone else be like you? Of course. Do you want to tell someone you don't know, who is trusting your knowledge to go ahead and get that bike? You can sure do that. Stepping back now...would you tell them that??

And thanks for being respectful towards me.

One last piece to add to this thread.. You state that you started out with a gixxer 1000. I'm curious as to why you chose this bike as a first bike to start out with. I know it's not the best heighted bike, because you already said that you're 5' 5".

Let us hear from you as to why you believe that the 1000 was the best bike for you and why you would recommend it to anyone. If you want this tio be a debate, let's hear your side from your view.

I know it's not the best heighted bike, because you already said that you're 5' 5".
I think this may be why. :cheers

i'm 5'5" and thats why i got the bike? No. I hate how people on this forum bash other people who don't think and act liek they do, and i've lost a lot of respect from the previous posts here. Thankyou gsxr600nub and diel11 for being respectful of my opinion and i understand very well where you two are at, i just felt the need to say my part.
I bought my bike over two years ago for a very very good price. Such a good price i could sell it now and still make a profit.
Yes, i'll admit, i like the latest and greatest, who doesn't? I tend to grow out of things quickly becuase i have a quick learning curve and spend more money in the long run because i have to keep upgrading. Figured sinc ei'm not the richest person around, i might start at the top. (Bikes arn't cheap to a 21 year old, even if i have very good credit) I've researched for a long time, about a year, and read up a lot about bikes. I've heard every story about this and that. I'm level minded and bright enough to pick and choose what to believe because i realize this world is not populated by intelligent people.
So, i guess you can say, i took my chances with a 1000 and it paid off for me and a friend of mine, because we are capable of handling the learning curve of the 1000 at our own pace.
Now thats just us two, not the world.
I understand not everyone is "special" or capable, or even as lucky as i am, but i don't want everyone being so closed minded to the possibility of a 1000. just opening some eyes and minds. but i do recommend smaller bikes for people learning to ride.

Nice how i get flammed so badly for such an opinion, and yet, i bet i still will get flamed, people saying how i'm only 5'5" and only 122 pounds, how i'm asian, my screenname, the bike i have, how because i'm asian they think... well you get hte point.

Stereotypes, gotta love them, owell. To those who aren't bright enough to realize, yeah, stereotypes help you get by everyday life, and i'm sure you realized stereotypes don't always apply. I don't mind them, i use them myself, but i'm smart enuogh to realize that last fact.

So i guess it boils to me riding a 1000 because i got the opportunity and because i can.

Oh and i wouldn't recommend it to anyone, i just read the post this guy had, he seemed alright for one. Just my opinion. But i wouldn't recommend it for joe schmo who just got out of the core and was looking for some adrenaline.

Dude, I wish I was 5'5" and 122. I'm a big 6'2", 230lbs and I can hear my bike screaming at me to get off it.

I'm out of this one. I understand where you're coming from. Y'all take care.

wow what a debate......im going to buy it but im gonna wait and try to trade it for a 600...what do you guys think are my chances on getting a decent trade....what would you accept as a trade?

well you look at it this way, if the bikes is really good condition, it'll probably be worth 2500-3000. See if you can use that amount towards a different bike? honestly, if you plan on getting a different bike, just get the other bike and don't waste your time ont his one. otherwise, if its gonnab eteh bike you're gonna ride, go for it. That is if you hvaen't gotten it and want to get a 600 or osmething, don't get htis one then a 600, just leave this one alone and get a 600 striaght up.

i made the following post , take a look http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112770

i'm 5'5" and thats why i got the bike? No. I hate how people on this forum bash other people who don't think and act liek they do, and i've lost a lot of respect from the previous posts here. Thankyou gsxr600nub and diel11 for being respectful of my opinion and i understand very well where you two are at, i just felt the need to say my part.
I bought my bike over two years ago for a very very good price. Such a good price i could sell it now and still make a profit.
Yes, i'll admit, i like the latest and greatest, who doesn't? I tend to grow out of things quickly becuase i have a quick learning curve and spend more money in the long run because i have to keep upgrading. Figured sinc ei'm not the richest person around, i might start at the top. (Bikes arn't cheap to a 21 year old, even if i have very good credit) I've researched for a long time, about a year, and read up a lot about bikes. I've heard every story about this and that. I'm level minded and bright enough to pick and choose what to believe because i realize this world is not populated by intelligent people.
So, i guess you can say, i took my chances with a 1000 and it paid off for me and a friend of mine, because we are capable of handling the learning curve of the 1000 at our own pace.
Now thats just us two, not the world.
I understand not everyone is "special" or capable, or even as lucky as i am, but i don't want everyone being so closed minded to the possibility of a 1000. just opening some eyes and minds. but i do recommend smaller bikes for people learning to ride.

Nice how i get flammed so badly for such an opinion, and yet, i bet i still will get flamed, people saying how i'm only 5'5" and only 122 pounds, how i'm asian, my screenname, the bike i have, how because i'm asian they think... well you get hte point.

Stereotypes, gotta love them, owell. To those who aren't bright enough to realize, yeah, stereotypes help you get by everyday life, and i'm sure you realized stereotypes don't always apply. I don't mind them, i use them myself, but i'm smart enuogh to realize that last fact.

So i guess it boils to me riding a 1000 because i got the opportunity and because i can.

Oh and i wouldn't recommend it to anyone, i just read the post this guy had, he seemed alright for one. Just my opinion. But i wouldn't recommend it for joe schmo who just got out of the core and was looking for some adrenaline.

I doesn't really matter how tall you are, I was just stating that you didn't choose this bike for best fitment reasons. Shit, I'm an American at only 5' 8", it seems like the new average height is 6'! That's good that you bought your bike at a really good price, that may be the deciding factor for many. I bought my 1000 over a '02 600 because it was $2,000 cheaper. But this isn't my first bike either and I've been riding off an on for several years.

The reason that you lost a lot of respect from other is because you came in talking out your ass about proper riding posture. I think the average person here has ridden many more miles than you and I and would know more about riding posture/ positioning than us. To call them out and say they don't know how to properly ride is, well, rediculous.

I don't remember anyone making fun of you because you're short nor asian. I don't think anyone really cares, you need to over come your little asian man complex. Honestly, I think asian women are sexier than some slutty looking American women that an average guy would be all over. I'm an American in Japan, talk about feeling apart and different. Once you stop feeling sorry for yourself, you will notice that people won't look down on you so much about such things. I used to be like this really bad when I was in high school maybe up to my early 20's.. You just need to identify it and over come it. Once you're there, life will seem a lot better. Not to mention women can smell confidence in a guy miles away. I'm talking self confidence, not being ballzy and foolish.. Damn, only if I knew whay I know now then..

In the end you agree that a 1000 GSXR isn't for every new person. I bet if you posted. When I started riding I did it on a gsxr 1000 and it was ok for me, but you may really want to consider this as a first bike. I'm sure after 2 years of riding you would have a general idea of pro's and con's associated with the bike and give positive suggestions, not telling senior riders that they haven't learned how to ride their bike properly.. I bet your responce would have been the exact opposite and you may have even received som pos rep in the process.. Compare my post count vs my rep points.. And look at others rep vs point counts, you get the general idea.

Hell I posted a legitamite question about how to restrict the power on the 1000 GSXR, because I was unsure of the power transition for this bike. I didn't get the responces you did and/ nor did I get any neg reviews for it. It's not the question statement, it's how it's preceived.

my first bike was/is my k5 750...i've got over 17,000 miles on her....i know a brand new gixxer wasn't the smartest way to go but i got what i wanted....bottom line is it all boils down to respectin the machine AT ALL TIMES!!! especially while ur learnin.....buy the bike, go to parkin lots or places free of traffic and get a feel for the bike...once u feel comfrotable enugh, then start dealin with normal traffic....go at ur own pace....and WEAR UR GEAR!!!!