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Strange Heavy Braking Issue

Not quite sure how you would label this.

Anyways, last night I was heading home from a friend's house about 9:30. Some college kid thought it would be a great idea to pull out in front of me and slam on his brakes and I nearly had to lay it down or eat the side of a Tahoe. But luckily I had just enough space to get around him. However, on this bike I noticed something really strange last night. When I jump on the rears first, there was a loud shutter similar to how ABS in a car, and a really bad vibration.. might have been wheel hop but I can't say for sure. Then after the rear brake was disengaged, it continued for about 25ft.... like something in the rear is binding up or the chain had come off. Then all at once, it stops and rides normal. Any idea on what this is?. I've never had this happen on a bike before... could there be something wrong in the rear? The chain does have a little bit of slack in it.

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......and I nearly had to lay it down
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Not quite sure how you would label this.

Anyways, last night I was heading home from a friend's house about 9:30. Some college kid thought it would be a great idea to pull out in front of me and slam on his brakes [4 lane road, no other cars] and I nearly had to lay it down... but luckily I had enough space to get around him. However, on this bike I noticed something really strange last night. When I jump on the rears first, there was a loud shutter similar to how ABS in a car, and a really bad vibration.. might have been wheel hop but I can't say for sure. Then after the rear brake was disengaged, it continued for about 25ft.... like something in the rear is binding up or the chain had come off. Then all at once, it stops and rides normal. Any idea on what this is?. I've never had this happen on a bike before... could there be something wrong in the rear? The chain does have a little bit of slack in it.
Once you upset the chassis like that it's going to take a moment to re-compose itself. If you're going to stomp on the rear brake like that you should probably pull in the clutch so you don't kill the motor when you inevitable lock the rear up like that, hence why the back end start bouncing and chattering like that.

Your bigger issue is not know how to react in a panic braking situation. What you did is the exact wrong thing to do. Stomping on the rear like that is doing next to nothing to slow you. In fact it's doing the opposite. The fact that you are locking up and causing the rear wheel to loose traction and hop/chatter means you are upsetting the bike's stability and making it more difficult to control. 80-90% of your braking power comes from the front brakes. In fact, when you are braking as hard and strong as you can, your rear wheel will have almost no weight/traction on it.

I would suggest finding and open/empty parking lot some time and go practice panic braking drills. Get comfortable using your front brakes.....HARD, because that's what going to save your from rear ending someone when you get cutoff.


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Lay it down, or tbone into a Tahoe at 55mph. Which do you choose?


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Once you upset the chassis like that it's going to take a moment to re-compose itself. If you're going to stomp on the rear brake like that you should probably pull in the clutch so you don't kill the motor when you inevitable lock the rear up like that, hence why the back end start bouncing and chattering like that.
I do normally do use more front brake... but with the handle being broken, and until a new one comes in, I'm using rear more and more. I'm hoping my Solenoid sensor for my Avalanche comes in today that way I can park the bike until the new handles come.

The first thing I grabbed was the clutch, and then got on the brakes. So I'm still confused at why it caused so much chattering. I've had it happen on a 250CBR before but this was way worse. I'm almost half tempted to say that the chain bound up at the front sprocket.

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Lay it down, or tbone into a Tahoe at 55mph. Which do you choose?
So you were going to crash to avoid crashing? Gotcha.

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I do normally do use more front brake... but with the handle being broken, and until a new one comes in, I'm using rear more and more.
And are you admitting that you're riding around with a busted front brake lever?
You're a special kind of stupid.
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Lay it down, or tbone into a Tahoe at 55mph. Which do you choose?
I do normally do use more front brake... but with the handle being broken, and until a new one comes in, I'm using rear more and more.
are you serious? if you can't use your front brake, then you're better off just taking the bus or something.
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Just take the other front brake disc off, like you were planning to do.
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. I've never had this happen on a bike before... could there be something wrong in the rear? T.
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I've had it happen on a 250CBR before but this was way worse.

what?


What kind of condition is that chain in?
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I do normally do use more front brake... but with the handle being broken, and until a new one comes in, I'm using rear more and more.








.......are you insane?
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Lay it down, or tbone into a Tahoe at 55mph. Which do you choose?




I do normally do use more front brake... but with the handle being broken, and until a new one comes in, I'm using rear more and more. I'm hoping my Solenoid sensor for my Avalanche comes in today that way I can park the bike until the new handles come.

The first thing I grabbed was the clutch, and then got on the brakes. So I'm still confused at why it caused so much chattering. I've had it happen on a 250CBR before but this was way worse. I'm almost half tempted to say that the chain bound up at the front sprocket.
What slows down faster.... brakes and rubber applied to ground or plastic and aluminum on ground....: wait
And wtf at riding without a front brake lever

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[4 lane road, no other cars]
Seems like your options were pretty limited?

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What's the Handle ? I've been looking at my bike for the last hour and I can't find the handle on it .

OP if you don't have working Front brakes "DON'T RIDE THE DAMN BIKE" .

Dip shit .
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your panic probably locked the rear wheel, as the weight shifted forward, it removed the weight and it chattered. oh, don't worry about these dicks, OP. layin'er down is the fastest way to stop. the only reason racers are so hard on the brakes and maintaining control is because they would have to run into the hay bales and gravel traps to pick up their bikes if they layed'er down to slow down to stop faster.
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I do normally do use more front brake... but with the handle being broken, and until a new one comes in, I'm using rear more and more.
You say this like its no big deal. I'd say you are not much smarter then the person that pulled up in front of you bloke.


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