New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread! - Suzuki GSX-R Motorcycle Forums Gixxer.com
 1Likes
Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 12:59 AM Thread Starter
Supersport
 
Rev. Intrigue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Pennsylvania
Motorcycle: ex650
Posts: 5,448
New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

If you want to ask about an "r" bike as a first bike PLEASE do not post ANOTHER new thread about it, just read this, and ask a question, myself or someone else will be glad to answer your questions.

I've been seeing a lot of posts in this forum lately asking about success stories for "R" bikes, and "Im new but I got a gsx-r 1000, is this okay?"... "Is it okay to buy a gsx-r 600 as a first bike"

No. Plain and simple. The stickies in this forum offer you a wealth of information on why this is a bad choice. If you don't feel like reading them, lets break it down for you.

1.) Speed: I'm starting with this one because it's the most popular. Even a gsx-r 600 will out-accelerate, out-turn, and out-brake all but the most heavily modified sports cars (we aren't talking civic here, we're talking like modified corvette, or a modified viper, or maybe a 700hp streetcar). I hear many people saying they may get bored on these bikes. You won't get bored, ever. And it is very difficult to master these bikes by learning on them, they are just too much bike.

2.) Brakes: The brakes on any R bike are race-type brakes. They are made for setting up into corners while travelling very fast. This means, on the street, when you grab even a little bit of brake (as a new rider you make mistakes) you will lock up the wheels. Hope you enjoyed the ride, because it's over.

3.) Throttle: I hear people saying if they are responsible and control the throttle, they will be okay. They will only turn it a quarter turn... Hate to tell you, but a quarter turn is almost if not all the way full-throttle. We are talking 1/16ths of a turn or less for regular acceleration. You have to literally turn this thing by quarter centimeters if you dont want to accelerate hard.

4.) Cost: Insurance, initial investment, and repairs. SVS Posted something about one right-side lower fairing being ~450$. This means you can spend upwards of 1500$ for a low-speed crash. Imagine what happens when you highside and need to replace fairings, clutch/brake lever, bar-ends, etc etc.

5.) Responsiveness: The clip-ons ("handlebars") have a very very limited range of motion compared to what you are used to (if you ride dirt, atv, bicycle, etc). They travel a VERY short arc. This, in turn, means that R-type bikes respond to millimeters in inputs. They are designed to do EXACTLY what they are told, and if you are telling it to do something wrong, it will do it, and it can kill you. These bikes are made to be very nimble with a small input to the clip-ons.

6.) Learning: It is so much easier to learn on a slower bike. You can learn position, throttle control, clutch control, shifting techniques, emergency control situations, collision avoidance, and turn control. On an R bike, you will be watching the throttle, the brakes, and the input you are giving to the bike. You won't be able to leave that as second nature and learn how to whip that bike around.

In conclusion, it doesn't matter if you have ridden dirt for 10 years (I rode dirt for 8 years before I got my first bike; and it is TOTALLY different) or have driven the lingelfelter corvette to taiwan and back. You don't have enough experience for sport bike riding. They are just too powerful. You are not going to be able to deal with it, and you will be a worse rider than you could have been. Everyone thinks they are the exception, you aren't.. Believe me.. If anyone is the exception, they are already professional racers.

I hope I can sway some of you, I know you will do what you want in the end, but know that you are making a big mistake, one that may cost you your life.
Rev. Intrigue is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 01:25 AM
SVS
Bearded Viking Admin...
 
SVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Ossum, Texas
Motorcycle: '08 KTM SuperDuke R, '99 SV650S, '84 XL600R
Posts: 131,104
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

Nothing to say but +1

Sticky vote from me...
SVS is offline  
post #3 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 01:38 AM
Jurassic Skool
 
Robben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nova Scotia
Motorcycle: 86 GSX-R1100
Posts: 79,800
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

Quote:
SVS said:
Nothing to say but +1

Sticky vote from me...
+2
Robben is offline  
post #4 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 02:03 AM
!##NULL##!
 
spongebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 16,404
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

my 1st street bike was a brand new 93 gsx-r750..and im on my 2nd gixxer.....ive experience NO FECKIN problems..1st street bike choice has more to do with what between your ears than anything...
spongebob is offline  
post #5 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 02:39 AM
On hiatus...
 
Anthony D's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Jersey
Motorcycle: Whatever oldgixxer has in his garage...
Posts: 72,590
Garage
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

excellent post, a sticky it should be...
Anthony D is offline  
post #6 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 02:41 AM
Jurassic Skool
 
Robben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nova Scotia
Motorcycle: 86 GSX-R1100
Posts: 79,800
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

... Spongie, you really should leave your sense of humour behind when posting in the starting area. These newbs will take you seriously. You may have started on a gsxr as a first bike, but it's more a case of blind luck you didn't kill yourself early on, not what's between your ears...
Robben is offline  
post #7 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 03:11 AM
!##NULL##!
 
spongebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 16,404
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

Quote:
Robben said:
... Spongie, you really should leave your sense of humour behind when posting in the starting area. These newbs will take you seriously. You may have started on a gsxr as a first bike, but it's more a case of blind luck you didn't kill yourself early on, not what's between your ears...
blind luck has nothing to do with it..i rode dirt bikes forever, and i know what its like to crash.
its this you cant survive a big bike attitude that slays me..holyier than thou attitude.
a dumb shit is going to wad a sv650 just as fast as he would a gsx-r600..i dont mind the comparison between the two when someone asks, but this bull shit of some asshole that thinks he knows everything comming on here and saying " i have one, but im special", or "only i have the wisdom to choose and ride a R bike..not you"..

a 16 yearold kid that has experience on bikes and a fair amount of common sence will do just fine on a R bike.. a kid thats hell bent on killing himself...he's gona do it on whatevers between his legs...
KHughes likes this.
spongebob is offline  
post #8 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 03:38 AM
Jurassic Skool
 
Robben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nova Scotia
Motorcycle: 86 GSX-R1100
Posts: 79,800
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

And, like a newbie (although we know you're not, Spongie ), you just don't 'get it'.

Dirt experience. Big deal. Grab a hella throttle on a dirt bike. Then grab a hella throttle on an R bike. Quite the difference, ya think?

Now repeat that same test with a handful of front brake. What do you think might happen?

R bikes are sensitive and highly powerful. Take the time to actually read the above post by the good Rev'. Are you just being a dick, Bob?

As for being quote holier than thou' unquote, I learned on a GS550, and rode it for nine years before moving to the 1100. Anyone here giving the advice you're slamming hasn't bought an R bike to start out. We've just seen what happens over and over from those that do. Just trying to save a life.

What are you trying to do?
Robben is offline  
post #9 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 03:45 AM
Jurassic Skool
 
Robben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nova Scotia
Motorcycle: 86 GSX-R1100
Posts: 79,800
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

And,

Quote:
spongebob said:
i rode dirt bikes forever, and i know what its like to crash.
Crashing in the dirt is NOTHING like crashing in traffic.
Robben is offline  
post #10 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 04:18 AM
SVS
Bearded Viking Admin...
 
SVS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Ossum, Texas
Motorcycle: '08 KTM SuperDuke R, '99 SV650S, '84 XL600R
Posts: 131,104
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

Quote:
Robben said:

Now repeat that same test with a handful of front brake. What do you think might happen?

Or use the rear brake on an R type bike like you would on a dirt bike...
SVS is offline  
post #11 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 05:45 AM
!##NULL##!
 
spongebob's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 16,404
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

im not saying that dirt bike experience qualifies you for a r bike..im saying it gives you bike experience..bike experience is just that experience..all the bikes controls are in the same place..you know about brakes..and how to look around for traffic..

if im a squid and a idiot, it just goes to prove my point, anyone with common sence can survive a r bike..
spongebob is offline  
post #12 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 10:12 AM
Jurassic Skool
 
Robben's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Nova Scotia
Motorcycle: 86 GSX-R1100
Posts: 79,800
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thread!

... Dirt bikes do not give you experience in traffic, Spongebob. How come you aren't soakin' up th' knowledge here, ... sponge?

Last edited by Robben; 04-02-2006 at 07:51 AM.
Robben is offline  
post #13 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 01:19 PM Thread Starter
Supersport
 
Rev. Intrigue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Pennsylvania
Motorcycle: ex650
Posts: 5,448
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thr

You can ride dirt all you want. You may as well say you can handle an f1 car because you rode a dune buggy. Or a top fuel dragster because you've drag raced your buddies camaro.

I started on an srad; and even that was too much power, I cant count the number of times I almost got killed even though I was being resonable. Someone cuts me off, i'm avoiding a stick in the road, braking too hard. Things that we are talking about. And all of the things I dealt with are more powerful and more dangerous now a-days than on the srad.

The thing is, today's 600s are faster than my srad 750 ever was. The smaller bikes of today are faster, lighter, and more nimble than the bigger bikes of yesterday.

Starting on a 93 750 is nothing compared to the 750s of today. They are a whole new ball game. We arent talking about harley's, where they update every 50 years, we are talking about highly precise vehicles with new technology and better/faster enhancements put on every few years.

These bikes are made for racing, and I wouldn't start out a 16 year old kid in a race car.. Would you? Hell no, he's getting a safe, easy, learner car.
Rev. Intrigue is offline  
post #14 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 01:54 PM
Amateur
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Newport News or Richmond, VA
Posts: 398
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thr

+1 for Rev Intrigue.

-1 for spongebob.


I can't stress how true it is that if someone says they are easily bored of a 600, then they definately aren't riding it right (and are full of s*it). That'd take yeaaars to accomplish.
musicman is offline  
post #15 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-20-2005, 02:12 PM
Superstock
 
Ride.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Blue Mounds, WI
Motorcycle: 2008 Triumph Speed Triple, 2006 SV650, 2005 GSXR 750, 2004 R6
Posts: 7,447
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thr

Quote:
Rev. Intrigue said:

3.) Throttle: I hear people saying if they are responsible and control the throttle, they will be okay. They will only turn it a quarter turn... Hate to tell you, but a quarter turn is almost if not all the way full-throttle. We are talking 1/16ths of a turn or less for regular acceleration. You have to literally turn this thing by quarter centimeters if you dont want to accelerate hard.


One more thing. No matter how responsible you are, that doesn't make up for skill required. You noobies think you're gonna just "take it easy, and you'll be fine." Based on what? It takes experience to "take it easy" and it takes skill to "not turn the throttle that far". Throttle control only comes with practice. Its not just about knowing what to do and keeping your head on straight. Its having the skill and experience to do it.


Excellent write-up! You know how much time I waste reading the same damn thing and giving the same damn answers multiple times a day in The Starting Line?
Its just sickening how many stoopid fucks join this site daily.
Ride. is offline  
post #16 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-21-2005, 08:42 PM
MG6
Supersport
 
MG6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Walking Around
Motorcycle: G6 01
Posts: 4,809
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thr

sticky please

+5
MG6 is offline  
post #17 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-25-2005, 05:25 PM Thread Starter
Supersport
 
Rev. Intrigue's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Pennsylvania
Motorcycle: ex650
Posts: 5,448
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thr

bump, because people just dont get it..
Rev. Intrigue is offline  
post #18 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-26-2005, 04:59 PM
Track Day Winner
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Leesburg VA
Motorcycle: Jeremy
Posts: 46
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thr

I would have to agree that a R bike can get away from you fast and that a 16 year old kid should not start out on one. On the other hand I bought a 600k4 this past July and have already been on the track and logged over 6000 miles. I wrecked it once due to an error in judgement (riding with cold tires on a cold street after it had dropped below freezing). I would not change my decision to buy a GSX-R 600 if I could.

I will say that you take a risk starting out but if that is what you want it is your money and just remember that Darwin works.

The thing that i see killing more people than just riding is the fact that they try and be like people that have been riding for years and years. Newbs should not be doing wheelies, stoppies, dragging knee or anything of the like. But then again no one should be doing that stuff on the street.

Bottom line it is your choice, learn to respect the machine or die. The street is no place to play, and the interstate is no place to learn. You wanna learn go to www.nesba.com or a like site and get on the track or take some of the great courses such as cornerspeed and learn from the pro's instead of just trying to emulate them...

oh and if you think that i am just blowing smoke talk to the other riders at DCsportbikes.net and they will attest that i am a decent rider that is not some stupid SQUID.
04bluegxsr is offline  
post #19 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-26-2005, 08:11 PM
Squid
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thr

what you guys keep saying is pretty daunting. i learned how to ride on a 850cc Buell Monster. big difference from a street bike i know. but i dont think ill ever learn how to ride a street bike without riding one.... gsx-r 600 is the only bike i see to learn on. i fully understand how to ride a bike (hell, even how ot drop a bike~) i may kill myself, but i want to take every step i can to not killing myself while still adjusting from a relatively slow bike to a gsxr...you guys say its nothing like driving a viper etc. etc...but lets not say a viper or a dual turbo lotus espirit are easy to break out of first gear either. tight clutches is what im used to and i have to wonder if yall think im still underestimating the bottom line of the gsx-r... not looking for shit, just wondering if im taking the wrong attitude
raleigh rapier is offline  
post #20 of 1196 (permalink) Old 02-26-2005, 08:23 PM
MG6
Supersport
 
MG6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Walking Around
Motorcycle: G6 01
Posts: 4,809
Re: New Riders: R Bikes as a first bike, Dont post a new thr

Quote:
raleigh rapier said:
i may kill myself, but i want to take every step i can to not killing myself while still adjusting from a relatively slow bike to a gsxr...
are you referring to the buell you got or a slow bike?

but if i understand your statement, you meant you rather take your chance in a gsxr than any advice we give you?

if that is the case, then wow... you don't need us to tell you want bike you should get since you already made up your mind. We here would like to keep our members safe and to give our advice is just our opinion. You could follow what we say or not, because you will do what you want. We here just want to tell you (In general terms) that a R bike isn't a first timer. Start off on a CBR F1 or F2 if you want a street bike. Matter fact, why not start off on a SV650? that is a street bike... i just don't understand why everyone take our advice or opinion to another level where they have to fight every single word we say.

we mean good and we mean to help you learn the ropes. We don't want to hear that their parents will damn sport bike for what they think it is a killer two rocket. We want to educate them by telling them, starting off small is better than getting a R bike where they might not even see another day if something was to happen.
MG6 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Closed Thread

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Suzuki GSX-R Motorcycle Forums Gixxer.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome