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post #381 of 390 (permalink) Old 03-25-2014, 01:47 PM
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There is no magic number, just opinions. I started on an EX500 and rode 32,000 miles my first year. Rode that 500 for nearly 4 years before going to a ZX-7. Not because I outgrew the 500 or got bored with it but because I lusted after something more modern and cutting edge. My answer to your question would be when you don't feel the need to ask random strangers if they feel you are ready to move up.
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LOL, I did not feel the need until I joined this forum (after buying my "R" bike) and was scolded for my purchase.
You weren't offended or scared off. I'm enjoying the replies btw.

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My answer was more general than directed at you since your question has been asked before by newbs looking to move up.



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Ok here it goes......my first and only bike is a 06 gsxr 1000. Learned to ride on a 1300 Busa in Okinawa Japan which was interesting. (Roads are made of Coral or some slippery shit) Guy that taught me used to race with team Suzuki. This was several years ago (stupid deployments) But now im getting to ride "Thor" finally Rode my friends Turbo Busa felt like second nature to me. I actually ride better than him. (He is a State Trooper) He swears I been riding for years but this will actually only be my 6th month since Okinawa. Soooooo I want to know is there such thing as a natural rider....ya know kinda like people can sing their ass off and never had a lesson or something like that?

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My Dad was a motorcycle instructor so he taught me how to ride. i have ridden trail bikes for years before which most people argue their case that they are the shit and can ride anything because they had experience riding one well that doesnt mean shit because road and trail arent the same. anyway i could ride pretty well but had the sense to start on an 89 Kawasaki GPX 250 to get more experience with the road and the dickheads on it. then after a year i went upto a cbr 600 rr which i rode for 8 years. and now have moved upto a L1 GSXR 1000 which i have had for about 4 months. I didnt just go out and get the fastest bike i could to start on. The end result is ive never had an accident. Point of the story is think about it before you pull the trigger on a big bike as a starter.
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Hello All,

I am literally a beginner rider,I have had my motorcycle license over 4 years However, I have not been able to get a bike until NOW ( i know so long of a wait) but I just purchases a Gixxer600 and have been on it 4 times, been practicing and learning stop and go, uphill stop and go and notice that if I do not give enough throttle i stall and I also noticed that when shifting from 1st to 2nd it isnt as smooth of a transition as I would like. I agree the bike has to be respected as it is fast as hell to me. I have been doing great, stalled once at a light but otherwise I love the bike. Any suggestion on finding my friction point on this type bike? How to not be so jerky when changing gears? Also I need another pointer. when at a light, I come to a stop by using my clutch and front break-- not the back break. Is this a huge mistake or ok? just seems easier for me to get my feet down steadier when coming to a stop.
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When stopping you should be using both brakes.
As for the clutch I personally have the clutch all the way in and don't use engine braking at all.
Bikes engine brake much more quickly than a car and if you have some dumbass following too closely they are likely to rear end you.

Finding the sweet spot on the clutch shouldnt be too hard. On starting from a stop dont be so afraid to give it some throttle and have a smooth release on the clutch handle. The spring action of the clutch can make shifts feel jumpy if you dont let it in/out smooth and are shifting at high rpm's. It's a feel thing, since I have been driving manual vehicles for 15+ years I guess I dont think about it much as the relationship between a clutch and throttle seems natural to me now.

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Thanks for the helpful advice, I for some reason started a bad habit quickly by not using both breaks when stopping. That's the #1 thing taught in training course. I have experience as well with driving a manual car and keep reminding myself riding a bike is exactly the same, just hand work but for some reason I feel the pressure of " what if I stall" and than everything I know flies out the window--nerves I guess, but your right it should come natural to me as it does you.
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When stopping you should be using both brakes.
As for the clutch I personally have the clutch all the way in and don't use engine braking at all.
Bikes engine brake much more quickly than a car and if you have some dumbass following too closely they are likely to rear end you.

Finding the sweet spot on the clutch shouldnt be too hard. On starting from a stop dont be so afraid to give it some throttle and have a smooth release on the clutch handle. The spring action of the clutch can make shifts feel jumpy if you dont let it in/out smooth and are shifting at high rpm's. It's a feel thing, since I have been driving manual vehicles for 15+ years I guess I dont think about it much as the relationship between a clutch and throttle seems natural to me now.
Good point about using both brakes. It's what I remember from the MSF course as well as the sweet spot on the clutch handle. I would recommend not using both brakes on a curve; it could lock up and then you're in trouble if you don't practice letting the bike progress forward. What I mean is, any input you do to change it's momentum is difficult to avoid. Your mind is telling you to do something/be reactive instead of guiding it where you want it to go.

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Thanks for the helpful advice, I for some reason started a bad habit quickly by not using both breaks when stopping. That's the #1 thing taught in training course. I have experience as well with driving a manual car and keep reminding myself riding a bike is exactly the same, just hand work but for some reason I feel the pressure of " what if I stall" and than everything I know flies out the window--nerves I guess, but your right it should come natural to me as it does you.
Continue practicing. Go to an empty parking lot and practice getting out of first gear. Practice everything you can remember from MSF training. Downshifting and applying both brakes coming to a stop was one exercise I remember.

At some point, get the thought of stalling the bike out of your mind. Thinking that you will, will cause you to do it...so, don't think you will stall it and you won't.

Stay off busy roads until you are comfortable with your launches. Some people are forgiving when the light turns green while others are in a hurry and will give you dirty looks.




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A really good thread, some great advice.
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I'd suggest getting some advanced rider training from the IAM or Rospa, this allows you to learn how to handle a more powerful machine safely.
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Thanks for the helpful advice, I for some reason started a bad habit quickly by not using both breaks when stopping. That's the #1 thing taught in training course. I have experience as well with driving a manual car and keep reminding myself riding a bike is exactly the same, just hand work but for some reason I feel the pressure of " what if I stall" and than everything I know flies out the window--nerves I guess, but your right it should come natural to me as it does you.
You should be aiming to do most of your braking in a straight line using the front, perhaps with a little rear to settle the angle of the bike. If you have to apply the brakes more firmly then the rear will do very little other than lock if attempt to use it (because all the weight moves forward onto the front wheel).

If you manage to end up the circumstance when you do have to brake going around a corner (consider this rider error) then you can use the rear to apply gentle braking while applying more steering force (the bike will naturally stand up under braking).

For those who are used to driving cars the rear brake can be quite dangerous as your first instinct is to stamp hard on the rear, causing the rear to lock and not much braking happens. I'd strongly suggest keeping your foot off the rear brake and your hand near the front.

Oh, and drop the "Hendon shuffle". always stop/start with your right foot down using the front brake so you can pop the bike into/out of neutral without swapping feet.

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