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Actually, I think power restrictions for people new to class M DL's (which would have included me as mine had lapsed years before I got my current one) would be awsome. But I don't even want to know the kind of hell that would cause here.

To many people down here think driving/riding whatever they want is their RIGHT. They do not understand that they don't have any constitutional right to drive/ride. [img]graemlins/bounce.gif[/img]

Anyway, I think it's an awesome idea, and would keep people alive, but, sadly, I don't see it happening. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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Good points by all...

I've had my 600 for nearly a year now, and just when I've started feeling comfortable on it I've noticed that when drivin correctly, wow.. my 600 is a ravenous beast.. I've never pegged the throttle in 2nd or 3rd even with the tach over 8-9 grand.. holy cow does that thing pull.. Definitly killed the urge I had to upgrade until I've been on it at least 2-3 years now.. Gotta get rid of those chicken strips too [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img] (hey, I'm working on it, lay off!!)

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Actually, I think power restrictions for people new to class M DL's (which would have included me as mine had lapsed years before I got my current one) would be awsome. But I don't even want to know the kind of hell that would cause here.

To many people down here think driving/riding whatever they want is their RIGHT. They do not understand that they don't have any constitutional right to drive/ride. [img]graemlins/bounce.gif[/img]

Anyway, I think it's an awesome idea, and would keep people alive, but, sadly, I don't see it happening. [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">The idea of regulation to save lives is downright scary. When does regulation stop?
[img]graemlins/idea.gif[/img] Maybe all people should ride bikes less than 600cc's. Certainly an experienced rider would be safer on this than a larger bike.
Basing rules on the time a rider has been licensed is a mess! It should be based on experience, maturity, and ability. Unfortunately I know far too many guys who have great abilty and experience but little in the way of brains...
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I've had my "little" 600 for 4.5 years now and I see no need to upgrade. For the few occasions when I'm actually flat out, an indicated 160mph is quite nice, thanks. I don't even get left very far behind my mate's TL-R's in a straight line.

As for cornering, well, I don't ride the wheels off it yet. I ride for my own enjoyment, am happy to be the slowest rider in the group as long as I'm having fun. And I won't always be the slowest rider [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

When I can ride the shit out of my 600, then I'll upgrade, and not before.

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I agree with a lot with what was said on this post being that I ride the "lil" 600 too.

I learned on a NInja 750 but I don't think that means jack. I don't think that a 600 is a good bike to learn on being that the new 600 cost so much money. Yeah if anyone takes their time they will do just fine I agree with that too.

Why risk it? Just get a more forgiving bike that you can make mistakes with to grow from and learn.

If anyone there will always be people that break out of the norm and more power to them. I will just try to help my friends take it slow.

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I feel all warm and fuzzy inside, finally posted something worth a damn here. [img]graemlins/bounce.gif[/img]

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I started on a 2002 Kawasaki EX250...I would reccommend that to anyone. I learned exactly what to do and what not to do on that thing. Within the first hour that I had it, I crashed. Well I popped the clutch and the bike went left and I went right...can you say "high side fall???" After that I learned that I had to respect the bike, and for that matter any bike that I may be riding. I had that bike for about 6 months, in the winter none the less, and I put up over 3K miles on it. You don't learn without riding...

I now have an 02' Gixxer 600, and I love it. Now that I know the in's and out's of riding, I can completely enjoy riding my bike.

I'll never "dog" anyone for riding a 250 or 500, I look at it as, hey you've gotta start somewhere. I ride for the shear pleasure of feeling the wind in your face...It's something that I do by myself,for myself, and with myself, it reflects my independence. I ride for those people out there who are paralyzed, or can't walk or can't see. For my friend that doctor's tell her will be lucky if she can walk in 5 years. These people who can't have that rush...that feeling.
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I started on a 2002 Kawasaki EX250...I would reccommend that to anyone. I learned exactly what to do and what not to do on that thing. Within the first hour that I had it, I crashed. Well I popped the clutch and the bike went left and I went right...can you say "high side fall???" After that I learned that I had to respect the bike, and for that matter any bike that I may be riding. I had that bike for about 6 months, in the winter none the less, and I put up over 3K miles on it. You don't learn without riding...

I now have an 02' Gixxer 600, and I love it. Now that I know the in's and out's of riding, I can completely enjoy riding my bike.

I'll never "dog" anyone for riding a 250 or 500, I look at it as, hey you've gotta start somewhere. I ride for the shear pleasure of feeling the wind my your face...It's something that I do by myself,for myself, and with myself, it reflects my independence. I ride for those people out there who are paralyzed, or can't walk or can't see. For my friend that doctor's tell her will be lucky if she can walk in 5 years. These people who can never have that rush...that feeling.
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now this makes me think of stuff the site needs

we need well written ARTICLES!

posts like this are great, but newbies will never find them [img]images/icons/frown.gif[/img]
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I think that Pulse makes a really good point about riding within your limits. I'm a living example to all of you...My gixx 600 was my first bike...learned on it and all. I thought I was the shit. Well don't ever underestimate the power of 600 as I promptly looped my bike in a wheelie and highsided chasin an R1(what was I thinkin). I've seen guys on 600's dust 1000's on twisties. Some guys get the bike just to have it and say they have the baddest bike out their. I've been riding 3 yrs. and have been comfortable with it for 1 1/2 yrs. now. Time for me to upgrade to a 750...but thats just me. ohhh and another benefit of starting out low on the cc's...INSURANCE. given it is a hassle to get a begginer bike and learn then sell it and refinance to get another bike it's probably worth it in the log run. [img]images/icons/wink.gif[/img]
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I'd add a used Katana 600 to the list of decent bikes to learn on. It's nice in the sense that it has decent power and looks without the jaw-dropping power curve. Much more forgiving than the racer-replicas. I had a Katana way back in 1988 when they first came out as Suzuki's first 600 sportbike. It was a great bike and would even be good to learn some basic stunting on.

That damn thing was so heavy though...balancing point wheelies and 12 o'clocks were basically the same thing. I think I'm getting a little sentimental thinking back on it. [img]graemlins/crying.gif[/img] Why someone stole that after 25,000 hard miles back in '91 is still a mystery to me. Man, that was a long time ago. I'm starting to show my age.
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I just did a track day on Sunday. The track is the fastest in the country. The average lap speed is 170 km/h. There were a few guys on Honda RS 125s. They beat more than 90% of the riders. Their cornering speed is so high even mighty Hayabusas could not catch them on the straights. I had my knee down doing about 170 km/h when this tiny 125 came flying past me on the outside as if I was standing still.
Forget all the hype about new bikes in the magazines. Only true racing experts can notice the difference between a R1 and a GSXR1000 performance wise. The majority of us is faster on a smaller bike. I myself was fastest on a GSXR400. I'm actually slower on the 1100.
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Any person that makes fun of a rider for riding a 600 is a moron. The 600 isn't the most powerful machine out there, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve respect.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I agree. I had several friends tell me that I should not get a 600 as a first bike, and that I should start with at least a 750. I bought the 600 anyway and after the MSF and 4000 miles on that bad boy under my belt, I was handing them their asses on their 750's and their 1000's. . .

As others have said an advanced rider on a 600 or less will hand a mediocre rider on a 1000 his ass. . [img]graemlins/bash.gif[/img]
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I've had my gix for almost a year now and i've still not gotten the full potential out of it.I can wheelie a little and stoppie's i'm working on. i'm just now feeling like the bike is part of me but still have plenty to go. The six was my first bike the only other thing i had expeirecne with is quads.(totally) different. I never road anything smaller then a 600 and i feel it was a pretty decent starter bike i mean i know the smaller ones would help with the learning aspect of it but if you do what i did wich was ride i don't wanna say in fear but ride alert and you will do just fine. i myself have no problem keepin up with 750's r1's whatever can't beat em but i can hang it just takes time. i do however feel if i had bought a 1000 i think i would've looped it in the process of learning wheelie's the 6 rips em fine and if i had my buddy's R1 for the first bike 2 weeks and i bet i'd be down just from lack of expereince the big toys are for big boys not just some punk kid thinkin he's gonna blow evryone's doors off and pull the meanest wheelies casue if that's the case order yourself a tombstone before you go for your first ride. not sayin you can't get a 1000 for first bike but you gotta 99% chance of wreckin have fun payin for plastics. sorry about the ranting and ravin that's my $02
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First bike ????........you can't go wrong with a Honda Hornet 600. They look good, easy to ride, reliable, fast (..enough), cheap to buy, and even when you get a bit of experience they're still fun to ride. If u want something a bit tasty get a Ducati Monster...they cost a bit more though.
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anyone can learn on any size bike....myself, i learned on a '93 CBR 600. i thought it was perfect for me. i was not stupid and didnt crank the throttle when i first got it.

i think as a "general rule" a 250-600 is a great starter bike....but a bike is only as powerful as how much you give it gas. so as long as someone is smart and goes slow, a 1000 could be a learner bike. i have been riding for just over 3 years, so im not an expert, but i went from a 600 to the 1000 without a problem. im not into tricks that much yet, so mabye thats why i was fine with a 600...yea, we all dream of doing stand ups and 60mph stoppies, but if you wait 5 years to try that, you will be a much better rider. my theory is get to know the bike first, once you are comfortable with it, respect it and then start to LEARN the stunts, do DO the stunts and I think if you stick with this kind of theory then riders will have far less accidents [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">very well said like me i am going to learn on an 03 r6.a lot of the people i know has started out on the r6,gsx-r600,i don't think not one of them has yet to lay their bike down.sept one which wasn't his fault.i have a level head and i don't like pushing my limits.that is the reason why i won't ride with other people.oh i am takeing the msf cource b4 i jump on any bike.well i have said my .02 .
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See, you are talking like you want to act responsible, and that you will, but you are on ly 15 years old, and your signature is "when in doubt...gas the mofo"...where do you get that kind of reasoning with exactly 0 experience??? You don't even have a drivers lisence to operate a car...and now you say that you want to start on an R6???? What is your problem??? How big are you, meaning how tall are you, how much do you weigh...if you are big enough, shit why not try and conquer an R1??? If you are going to be so ballsy, and not listen to what other people that have been riding longer than you have to say, then don't come back here bitching when you drop that motherfucker and land your ass in the hospital. When I started to learn, I tried on a gixxer 750, thinking I was soooo bad ass, and didn't listen to people that told me it was too big of a bike(and i'm six foot tall)...even the sv650...is stiill a bigger bike, but easier to manage when you are just starting out. At 15, yeah it would be nice to have a brand new '03 R6, but not if it's only going to last a week.
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Ouch, harsh reply above me...sheesh. Anyways, I started with a brand new 2002 gsxr600 and am thankful I did. I originally was going to take the "learn it slow and be safe" road, and get a ninja250 or something, but thankfully I realized that I would tire of that very quickly.

For those of you that are serious about buying your first bike, I would recommend going new. For one, with a new bike, you have the break in period. This was so nice for me to get used to the bike for the first 500 miles, keeping the rpms below 5000. Imagine if I had bought a used gsxr600? I remember the first time I really got on it, I about pissed myself. Now think if I hadn't gotten used to the bike for a good 1000 miles before that? I'd probably have died. Now I realize that people say "everyone drops their first bike, so why make it a new, expensive one?" Well to you i say BULLSHIT. Not everyone drops their first bike. My bike doesn't have a scratch on it *knock on wood*, I've never dropped it *knock on wood*, never laid it down *knock on wood*, and don't plan to. If you're careful with your bike like I am (i mean cmon, an 8000 dollar toy you'd better fucking be careful) you probably will be fine.

I don't know, the '02 gsxr600 is a bad ass bike, and can take me as fast as I want to go. I will definately be with her for another year, if not 2 more. So I think if you can get the money, go new, it will force you to not get on it until you're atleast somewhat used to the bike.
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Ouch, harsh reply above me...sheesh. Anyways, I started with a brand new 2002 gsxr600 and am thankful I did. I originally was going to take the "learn it slow and be safe" road, and get a ninja250 or something, but thankfully I realized that I would tire of that very quickly.

For those of you that are serious about buying your first bike, I would recommend going new. For one, with a new bike, you have the break in period. This was so nice for me to get used to the bike for the first 500 miles, keeping the rpms below 5000. Imagine if I had bought a used gsxr600? I remember the first time I really got on it, I about pissed myself. Now think if I hadn't gotten used to the bike for a good 1000 miles before that? I'd probably have died. Now I realize that people say "everyone drops their first bike, so why make it a new, expensive one?" Well to you i say BULLSHIT. Not everyone drops their first bike. My bike doesn't have a scratch on it *knock on wood*, I've never dropped it *knock on wood*, never laid it down *knock on wood*, and don't plan to. If you're careful with your bike like I am (i mean cmon, an 8000 dollar toy you'd better fucking be careful) you probably will be fine.

I don't know, the '02 gsxr600 is a bad ass bike, and can take me as fast as I want to go. I will definately be with her for another year, if not 2 more. So I think if you can get the money, go new, it will force you to not get on it until you're atleast somewhat used to the bike.
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">i learned on a gixx750; i have a year of streeting, and 9 years dirt; im getting a USED gixx600 (00-01) for the first bike i will truly own all by myself. Dirting does not help as much as many people said; to me, they are two different animals.

I love the streetbikes and have ridden a cornucopia of varieties. I can push the 600's a little, but i dare not all-out open up the 750. [img]images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

I didn't particularly choose to learn on a 750, it's all that was available. But i'm happy moving down to a 600. [img]images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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My first bike was a 1996 katana 600 when I was 19. It taught me a lot. What are your guys' opinions about starting on a bike like that? I ask because I have a friend that wants to buy the katana from me now that I have my gsx-r 750. I don't want to sell it to him if it won't help him at all. P.S. i rode dirtbikes for years before i got the katana so i at least had riding knowledge
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